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post #1531 of 9615
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

yes, this is true...

it's true of almost every avr/pre-pro, with a few exceptions...

digital input to zones would require multiple digital paths in the avr, and it would bump the manufacturing costs... for the (relatively) few who use zone processing, it wouldn't be worth adding the cost to the unit, given that the great majority of people don't even know what a zone is, let alone use them...

So does this mean AirPlay won't work with Zones 2 and 3?
post #1532 of 9615
Is the back of your couch flush with the back wall, or away from the wall?

If it's flush with the back wall, don't try it!
post #1533 of 9615
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Originally Posted by SnellKrell View Post

Is the back of your couch flush with the back wall, or away from the wall?

If it's flush with the back wall, don't try it!

No, it is not against a wall. It is towards the back center of the room. I saw a video from the Emotiva guy while demostrating the UMC. He put the mic on the top of the back pillow right in the middle of the couch. I thought it was clever and an easy solution for those who don't have a tripod.
post #1534 of 9615
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Originally Posted by volta View Post

No, it is not against a wall. It is towards the back center of the room. I saw a video from the Emotiva guy while demostrating the UMC. He put the mic on the top of the back pillow right in the middle of the couch. I thought it was clever and an easy solution for those who don't have a tripod.

I would spend the money on an inexpensive tripod before I would place the mic on any surface or hold it in my hand. When using a tripod you are able to keep the height exact for all measurements. It is also easier to measure out from the initial calibration point for additional mic positions.

I'm definitely not an Audyssey expert but you will get a more exact calibration when using a tripod IMO. Also read through the Audyssey Setup Guide (linked below) to get some very good advice.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post14456895

Bill
post #1535 of 9615
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Originally Posted by volta View Post

What about setting the mic on the back end of the couch (where you rest your head).
I saw somewhere that it works well there

It's location close to the soft and absorbent couch fabric will probably cause some of the highs to be absorbed, causing Audyssey to boost highs more than normal.

The Emotiva guy who placed his on the couch back also complained that EmoQ was putting too many highs in and the software needed to be corrected. I'm thinking his mic placement was the culprit, not the software.

The safest placement is to keep it away from surfaces that can distort the results, both hard and soft.
post #1536 of 9615
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I would spend the money on an inexpensive tripod before I would place the mic on any surface or hold it in my hand. When using a tripod you are able to keep the height exact for all measurements. It is also easier to measure out from the initial calibration point for additional mic positions.

I'm definitely not an Audyssey expert but you will get a more exact calibration when using a tripod IMO. Also read through the Audyssey Setup Guide (linked below) to get some very good advice.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post14456895

Bill

I do need to just invest in a cheap tripod. I just always used other makeshift ways to position the mic. The video I saw was one of the UMC tutorials on the Emotiva website. It was Dann the company president who did the couch placement.
post #1537 of 9615
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It was Dann the company president who did the couch placement.

See, even company presidents make mistakes.
post #1538 of 9615
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Originally Posted by Deane Johnson View Post

See, even company presidents make mistakes.


haha that's an understatement. I think it was the same video where he said "and it just works". Those words really came back and bit him in the a@@.
Sorry to hijack the thread, back to the AV7005. I really want this processor bad!
post #1539 of 9615
^^^

well, go buy it! join the rest of us in the fun...

i won't claim any "sq improvements" over my previous unit (other than no clicking), but i sure do like the av7005 better... prettier, no flakiness, easy to use, etc.

ymmv... i'm a self-admitted hardware whore... if i don't swap something out every 6 months or so, i get itchy...
post #1540 of 9615
"...if i don't swap something out every 6 months or so, i get itchy..."

If there's a Mrs. ccotenj, she might very well be worried about her status!
post #1541 of 9615
^^^

lol... swmbo is the ONE thing that does not get swapped out... she not only encourages my "habit", she also provides a goodly portion of the funding for it...

i try not to bite the hand that feeds me...

i'm really bummed that the airplay upgrade wasn't ready today... got up early, fired up the coffee pot and lappy, all motivated to buy it and install it, and "coming soon" was still on the website...
post #1542 of 9615
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Originally Posted by WiWavelength View Post


For an "HD Audio" signal w/ a sampling rate of >96 kHz, the AV7005 cannot apply any of the Audyssey processing suite (e.g. no DSX) nor HT-EQ. Whether "HD Audio" refers only to lossless codecs or also to PCM, that distinction is not clear. This is a DSP limitation that the the AV7005 shares w/ its SR7005 & Denon 3311CI siblings. The Denon 4810CI, 4310CI, and 4311CI have more powerful DSP sections -- they can apply any processing to any sampling rate.

AJ

Can AV7005 apply A-DSX to HD Audio/SACD coming from 5.1-ch analog input?
post #1543 of 9615
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Originally Posted by jcpom View Post

Can AV7005 apply A-DSX to HD Audio/SACD coming from 5.1-ch analog input?

No. The AV7005 does not digitize analog multichannel audio (nor should it), so it cannot apply any post processing to audio from the multichannel analog input. And this is true of most AVRs and pre/pros.

AJ
post #1544 of 9615
^^^^

So, if I understand correctly, the straight stereo/multi analog and Audyssey treated 96khz stereo/multi HDMI inputs are the best musical options the unit has to offer?
post #1545 of 9615
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Originally Posted by WiWavelength View Post
No. The AV7005 does not digitize analog multichannel audio (nor should it), so it cannot apply any post processing to audio from the multichannel analog input. And this is true of most AVRs and pre/pros.

AJ
thanks. A-DSX can be applied to DVD-A/SACD sent via HDMI, correct?
post #1546 of 9615
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Originally Posted by WiWavelength View Post
No. The AV7005 does not digitize analog multichannel audio (nor should it), so it cannot apply any post processing to audio from the multichannel analog input. And this is true of most AVRs and pre/pros.

AJ
I have a Marantz DV8400 which I use for SACD/DVD-A and an Oppo BD83 for movies/HT. The Marantz only works in multi-channel sound through its' analog outputs and it does sound fantastic either in multi-channel music or 2 channel direct. I am wondering if multi-channel through the Oppo's HDMI output (w/or w/out Audyssey applied) will sound as good or better than the Marantz. I would love to have one less component in my rack. This is probably more of a question as to the sound quality of the "digitized" music as opposed to "analog" music than the sound quality of Marantz vs Oppo .
post #1547 of 9615
^^^

if we are talking dvd-a/sacd, it's digital, regardless...

i guess what you are asking is "will there be a difference between which piece does the d/a conversion?"...

imo, no... and the ability to add dsp processing to the incoming hdmi feed tips the scales heavily in that direction...

imo, ymmv, etc.
post #1548 of 9615
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Originally Posted by roadster-s View Post
So, if I understand correctly, the straight stereo/multi analog and Audyssey treated 96khz stereo/multi HDMI inputs are the best musical options the unit has to offer?
What do you mean by "best musical options"?

AJ
post #1549 of 9615
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Originally Posted by jcpom View Post
thanks. A-DSX can be applied to DVD-A/SACD sent via HDMI, correct?
Yes, but the sampling rate of that audio must be no greater than 96 kHz. The AV7005 cannot apply any Audyssey processing to DVD-A at 192 kHz or SACD decimated to PCM at 176.4 kHz.

AJ
post #1550 of 9615
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post
^^^

if we are talking dvd-a/sacd, it's digital, regardless...

i guess what you are asking is "will there be a difference between which piece does the d/a conversion?"...

imo, no... and the ability to add dsp processing to the incoming hdmi feed tips the scales heavily in that direction...

imo, ymmv, etc.
Chris: Thanks. One reason I bought the 7005 is because I can use my 5.1 analog outputs from the Marantz (DV8400), which is very "musical" (sounds great if anyone wonders what I mean). I know it is kind of an oxymoron to talk about sound quality of digital vs analog w/SACD and DVD-A since they are both digital. I have had to use analog connectors for the five years or so of owning my Marantz (it being a very early model, which is why it doesn't pass an SACD/DVD-A signal via HDMI), so I kind of mixed "metaphors" when referring to it as analog/digital. I found the Marantz to come as close to recreating a clean "phono" like sound w/out going back to a turntable. I have a couple of friends who have reverted and love the sound. I will not argue the point w/them as I have been more than happy w/the sound produced by my system (and I am too lazy to go back to flipping LPs).
post #1551 of 9615
^^^

ah, ok, i gotcha now...

well... the best thing to do is try it...

ime, and it's only ime, when i went from an analog connection for sacd (pio 59avi to anthem avm30) to a digital one (various ways, including firewire), i didn't feel like i was "losing" anything, and i got a great benefit by using the processing in the avr/pre-pro...

agreed on vinyl... the day i got my first cd player is the last day i cared about it... WAY too many hassles...
post #1552 of 9615
Question about the length of XLR cables. I ordered 6 foot cables since I wasn't sure about placement of my AV7005 and XPA-5 but now I'm able to keep them close so I only really need 1.5 to 3 feet of cable. Should I return the 6 foot cables and get shorter runs or does it not matter since its not that much of difference length wise? I'm new to XLR cables so not sure if keeping the lengths of the cables as short as possible helps or not.
post #1553 of 9615
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Originally Posted by WiWavelength View Post

What do you mean by "best musical options"?

AJ


Which of the two will yield best quality sound from cd/sacd source? straight analog, or going thru the digital Audyssey correction?
post #1554 of 9615
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Originally Posted by Greg Haynes View Post

Question about the length of XLR cables. I ordered 6 foot cables since I wasn't sure about placement of my AV7005 and XPA-5 but now I'm able to keep them close so I only really need 1.5 to 3 feet of cable. Should I return the 6 foot cables and get shorter runs or does it not matter since its not that much of difference length wise? I'm new to XLR cables so not sure if keeping the lengths of the cables as short as possible helps or not.

nah, the 6's are fine...

at that distance, xlr's are overkill, but i like the way they look, so i'd likely use them anyway...
post #1555 of 9615
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Originally Posted by roadster-s View Post

Which of the two will yield best quality sound from cd/sacd source? straight analog, or going thru the digital Audyssey correction?

ime, for the large majority of people, using the dsp in the avr is almost always advantageous...
post #1556 of 9615
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Originally Posted by roadster-s View Post

Which of the two will yield best quality sound from cd/sacd source? straight analog, or going thru the digital Audyssey correction?

That is 100% your choice. Some hate processing (A-D or D-A conversions, etc) others like that the processing corrects issues with speakers and room. The best you can do is to understand the compromises of going either route and just pick one.
post #1557 of 9615
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

well, go buy it! join the rest of us in the fun...

i won't claim any "sq improvements" over my previous unit (other than no clicking), but i sure do like the av7005 better... prettier, no flakiness, easy to use, etc.

ymmv... i'm a self-admitted hardware whore... if i don't swap something out every 6 months or so, i get itchy...

I got one on the way! Hopefully will arrive in the next week or two.
I will be replacing an UMC-1 and possibly a USP-1 as well. I intend to do some comparisons to the USP-1 for the phono capabilities. I really love the USP, so it should be an interesting comparison.
post #1558 of 9615
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Originally Posted by volta View Post

No, it is not against a wall. It is towards the back center of the room. I saw a video from the Emotiva guy while demostrating the UMC. He put the mic on the top of the back pillow right in the middle of the couch. I thought it was clever and an easy solution for those who don't have a tripod.

That's the way I have always done it. I wont invest in a worthless tripod (I'm not a photographer) just for the sake of being a "purist". I'm sure there are "flaws" with doing it this way, but it certainly works.
post #1559 of 9615
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Originally Posted by roadster-s View Post

Which of the two will yield best quality sound from cd/sacd source? straight analog, or going thru the digital Audyssey correction?

Even "best quality sound" is an ambiguous term. But if you mean more accurate reproduction of the electrical audio signal, then a digital connection w/ Audyssey correction is the better of the two.

AJ
post #1560 of 9615
I think I will un-box my old drum set and see if a cymbal boom has the same threading. That would be a nice solution to the mic placement, as they're almost infinitely adjustable.
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