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post #1591 of 9371
12/2/10 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by roadster-s View Post

So which rate would the AV7005 use?

I assume that you are referring to the Sony XA5400ES. Very good question. I surmise that EDID would indicate that the AV7005 supports up to 192 kHz sampling rates. Hence, the XA5400ES would decimate DSD to PCM at 176.4 kHz. The problem then would be that the AV7005 may not be able to apply any post processing (e.g. Audyssey, Dolby Pro Logic IIx, etc.) to audio w/ a sampling rate greater than 96 kHz.

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post #1592 of 9371
12/2/10 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by WiWavelength View Post

I assume that you are referring to the Sony XA5400ES. Very good question. I surmise that EDID would indicate that the AV7005 supports up to 192 kHz sampling rates. Hence, the XA5400ES would decimate DSD to PCM at 176.4 kHz. The problem then would be that the AV7005 may not be able to apply any post processing (e.g. Audyssey, Dolby Pro Logic IIx, etc.) to audio w/ a sampling rate greater than 96 kHz.

AJ

exactly No point for me to go for the 5400ES if the AV won't post-process it.
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post #1593 of 9371
12/2/10 at 4:14pm
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Originally Posted by roadster-s View Post

exactly No point for me to go for the 5400ES if the AV won't post-process it.

The manual explicitly states that the AV7005 can accept/decode but cannot post process "HD Audio" w/ a sampling rate greater than 96 kHz. However, "HD Audio" is an ambiguous term. We know that it applies to the lossless codecs (e.g. Dolby TrueHD). But we cannot be sure that it applies to LPCM. So, the AV7005 *may* still be able to post process DSD decimated (in the player) to 176.4 kHz PCM. Hopefully, someone will experiment w/ this and report here soon.

AJ
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post #1594 of 9371
12/2/10 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by WiWavelength View Post

The manual explicitly states that the AV7005 can accept/decode but cannot post process "HD Audio" w/ a sampling rate greater than 96 kHz. However, "HD Audio" is an ambiguous term. We know that it applies to the lossless codecs (e.g. Dolby TrueHD). But we cannot be sure that it applies to LPCM. So, the AV7005 *may* still be able to post process DSD decimated (in the player) to 176.4 kHz PCM. Hopefully, someone will experiment w/ this and report here soon.

AJ

You make a good point. The limiting factor is the power of the DSP engines in the processor. The earlier AV8003 had a more severely limited DSP and could not do Audyssey with Dolby TrueHD or dts MA but it was capable of doing Audyssey with those CODECs if they were converted from bitstream to PCM in the player. The AV7005 does better on this score.
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post #1595 of 9371
12/2/10 at 4:24pm
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Originally Posted by WiWavelength View Post

The manual explicitly states that the AV7005 can accept/decode but cannot post process "HD Audio" w/ a sampling rate greater than 96 kHz. However, "HD Audio" is an ambiguous term. We know that it applies to the lossless codecs (e.g. Dolby TrueHD). But we cannot be sure that it applies to LPCM. So, the AV7005 *may* still be able to post process DSD decimated (in the player) to 176.4 kHz PCM. Hopefully, someone will experiment w/ this and report here soon.

AJ

Yes soon, as in before there are no more XA5400ES left for me to buy
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post #1596 of 9371
12/2/10 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

The AV7005 does better on this score.

Definitely better. But it would be nice to know exactly how much better. LPCM from the player was the Audyssey workaround for the AV8003 at sampling rates lower than 96 kHz. Is LPCM from the player now the Audyssey workaround for the AV7005 at sampling rates greater than 96 kHz? At this point, we can only suspect so.

AJ
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post #1597 of 9371
12/2/10 at 5:22pm
^^^

did a quick test from the oppo 980h to the av7005, and it sent mpcm at 88.2...

if i'm not too hammered by halftime of the eagles game, i'll play around a bit more...
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post #1598 of 9371
12/2/10 at 5:49pm
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

did a quick test from the oppo 980h to the av7005, and it sent mpcm at 88.2...

Yep, all the Oppo players (including the new 93) that can decimate DSD to PCM do so at 88.2 kHz. The AV7005 can apply Audyssey, no problem, since that sampling rate is not greater than 96 kHz. To put the AV7005 to the test, we need an SACD player (e.g. Sony XA5400ES, Onkyo SP506) that can decimate at 176.4 kHz, an HDAD w/ 192 kHz PCM on the DVD-A side, or a 2L BD w/ 192 kHz PCM.

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post #1599 of 9371
12/2/10 at 6:10pm
^^^

i've got a 2l bd disk... i'll fire it into the ps3 and see what we get...

don't have too many dvd-a's though (night at the opera, mannheim meets the mouse, a few others)... not sure what the rate on them are, to be honest, i never really got too concerned about it...
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post #1600 of 9371
12/2/10 at 6:39pm
Do they still produce DVD-Audio?
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post #1601 of 9371
12/2/10 at 7:06pm
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Originally Posted by wilbur_the_goose View Post

Do they still produce DVD-Audio?

darn few, if any...

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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

i've got a 2l bd disk... i'll fire it into the ps3 and see what we get...

don't have too many dvd-a's though (night at the opera, mannheim meets the mouse, a few others)... not sure what the rate on them are, to be honest, i never really got too concerned about it...

no love... it's a 96khz track on the disk i have... no 192khz track on this one...
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post #1602 of 9371
12/2/10 at 8:26pm
Hey guys, I picked up a 7005 about a week ago, and have been enjoying the sound thus far.

The only problem I'm running into is that the unit isn't completing its Audyssey calibration. It goes through all my speakers, and three different listening positions, and then always stalls at the "96% calculation" stage.

This is evidently step 4 of 6, so I've never gone past the initial calc stage. The unit actually freezes at this point, and can't "return" or "back" out of this screen. I have to hard boot using the front power button.

I've let it sit / hang for a long time, have re-run Audyssey many times, have unplugged and re-plugged the mic, but all to no avail.

Anyone have any ideas before the unit gets sent back to the dealer? Thanks!
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post #1603 of 9371
12/2/10 at 8:55pm
OK. Took the plunge on the AV7005 via One Call.

I tried to get it locally.....Hey, I'm from the Detroit area so I want to give the home team a shot.

In any case, 3 local dealers all had the same story. None until just before Christmas at best.
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post #1604 of 9371
12/3/10 at 5:07am
My power cord doesn't fit tight on the pre-pro end, does anyone else have the same issue?
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post #1605 of 9371
12/3/10 at 5:12am
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Originally Posted by eric9h View Post

Hey guys, I picked up a 7005 about a week ago, and have been enjoying the sound thus far.

The only problem I'm running into is that the unit isn't completing its Audyssey calibration. It goes through all my speakers, and three different listening positions, and then always stalls at the "96% calculation" stage.

This is evidently step 4 of 6, so I've never gone past the initial calc stage. The unit actually freezes at this point, and can't "return" or "back" out of this screen. I have to hard boot using the front power button.

I've let it sit / hang for a long time, have re-run Audyssey many times, have unplugged and re-plugged the mic, but all to no avail.

Anyone have any ideas before the unit gets sent back to the dealer? Thanks!

a) try a "hard reset" of the processor... see page 115 of the manual for how to do this...

b) if this does not work, return unit...
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post #1606 of 9371
12/3/10 at 7:13am
There's no direct-input button for "phono" on the remote. Looking at the manual, it looks like I'd need to cycle through the inputs to get to phono. But since I'll be using a Harmony remote, I'm wondering - is there a direct input code for phono in the AV7005 Harmony codes ?
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post #1607 of 9371
12/3/10 at 7:25am
Review of av7005 from audioholics:

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/p...marantz-av7005
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post #1608 of 9371
12/3/10 at 7:25am
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Originally Posted by henningh View Post

There's no direct-input button for "phono" on the remote. Looking at the manual, it looks like I'd need to cycle through the inputs to get to phono. But since I'll be using a Harmony remote, I'm wondering - is there a direct input code for phono in the AV7005 Harmony codes ?

Can you just create a button on the harmony site for phono?
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post #1609 of 9371
12/3/10 at 7:48am
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

Review of av7005 from audioholics:

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/p...marantz-av7005

i'm glad they reviewed it, but if that's the type of reviews that we are now going to get from ah, that's REALLY disappointing... at the VERY least, the reviewer should understand the concept of channel trims...

amoungst other things... such as zero test results... and so on...

at least it was positive though...
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post #1610 of 9371
12/3/10 at 8:08am
This is hardly a "review"!

It's more of a description of cosmetics and what's under the hood.

I await a golden ears evaluation of not just what makes it work and how it looks -
I look forward to reports reflecting critical listening!
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post #1611 of 9371
12/3/10 at 8:20am
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Originally Posted by SnellKrell View Post

This is hardly a "review"!

It's more of a description of cosmetics and what's under the hood.

Exactly! I read all the cosmetic talk and setting up and clicked next page waiting to hear his evaluation on testing the unit and realized I was already on the conclusion page. I'm like that's it!?!?
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post #1612 of 9371
12/3/10 at 8:33am
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Originally Posted by roadster-s View Post

Yes soon, as in before there are no more XA5400ES left for me to buy

If you decide to get one, you might be interested in knowing I got mine for $1100 at J&R music world. They won't sell it online anymore, but I was in the store and that was the price. I'm pretty sure that if you call they will let you buy it over the phone for their price.

It's two-channel analog outputs sound SO good.

I understand the dsd pretty much always gets converted to PCM at some point, especially with multi-ch.-fine with me. But it's a question of where/when it gets converted. I'm sure my Denon units convert dsd to PCM to apply bass management, distance, etc.
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post #1613 of 9371
12/3/10 at 8:47am
^^^

if you are doing bass management, etc., it is certainly converting it to pcm first...
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post #1614 of 9371
12/3/10 at 9:12am
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Originally Posted by hifichip76 View Post

If you decide to get one, you might be interested in knowing I got mine for $1100 at J&R music world. They won't sell it online anymore, but I was in the store and that was the price. I'm pretty sure that if you call they will let you buy it over the phone for their price.

It's two-channel analog outputs sound SO good.

I understand the dsd pretty much always gets converted to PCM at some point, especially with multi-ch.-fine with me. But it's a question of where/when it gets converted. I'm sure my Denon units convert dsd to PCM to apply bass management, distance, etc.

*** Are you hooked-up to the AV7005? If so, we are trying to find out what bit rate does the Marantz convert to (and show on-screen) when it receives the HDMI signal from a Sony 5400ES?
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post #1615 of 9371
12/3/10 at 11:40am
So i want to toggle between front height speakers and surround back speakers.

Can I use the same amp if using the balanced inputs for the surround back speakers or do I need a separate 2 channel amp to plug into the unbalanced inputs for the front height speakers?

I fear that I will need 9 channels of amplification to run 7 channels in a different configuration.
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post #1616 of 9371
12/3/10 at 3:10pm
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Originally Posted by WiWavelength View Post

Definitely better. But it would be nice to know exactly how much better. LPCM from the player was the Audyssey workaround for the AV8003 at sampling rates lower than 96 kHz. Is LPCM from the player now the Audyssey workaround for the AV7005 at sampling rates greater than 96 kHz? At this point, we can only suspect so.

AJ

Tune-in next week, when I post my findings after receiving my new XA5400ES
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post #1617 of 9371
12/3/10 at 8:51pm
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

a) try a "hard reset" of the processor... see page 115 of the manual for how to do this...

b) if this does not work, return unit...

Thanks for pointing me to that page. Did the reset, didn't work. Guess it's going back...
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post #1618 of 9371
12/4/10 at 3:43am
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Originally Posted by roadster-s View Post

*** Are you hooked-up to the AV7005? If so, we are trying to find out what bit rate does the Marantz convert to (and show on-screen) when it receives the HDMI signal from a Sony 5400ES?

When then 5400 sends multichannel PCM to the AV7005, it's at a bitrate of 24/176.4, and it sounds fantastic.
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post #1619 of 9371
12/4/10 at 3:51am
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Originally Posted by Smackrabbit View Post


When then 5400 sends multichannel PCM to the AV7005, it's at a bitrate of 24/176.4, and it sounds fantastic.

Can you turn on Audyssey when the AV7005 is receiving multichannel PCM at that bitrate?

Matty
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post #1620 of 9371
12/4/10 at 4:53am
I was looking to get an SR8002 at discount but the AV7005 has peaked my interest, especially since my power amps have XLR balanced inputs available. I'm currently using an SR8001 as my pre/pro and I've been very pleased with the audio quality. Now I would imagine the SR8002 is very similar; however the AV7005 might surpass audio and video performance of the SR8000 series. Networking and video processing aside, does the AV7005 offer superior audio to the SR8000 series? Also, will the AV7005 accept DSD? Thanks in advance.
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