Marantz AV7005 - Page 64

FWIW, I have always had problems with Audyssey and my speakers in my HT room. I can never get it to set the XO point below 120Hz That is with 3 different pre/pros or AVRs too.

My F3 is around 45Hz on my mains

Now Im just full range, problem solved

You will know better then us if your main speaker bass is better then your subwoofer so really you are just choosing the best situation for yourself.

"Why bother buying a top of a line speaker if you are not going to run it full range? "

I have no idea but it depends on the subwoofer(s) you have. Im coming at it from a different POV because I have some incredible subwoofer systems so Im never going to consider main speakers good enough no matter how much they cost.

Guidelines are just guidelines. Not saying they have to be followed but they should be known. We all know there are compromises that we choose to accept over other compromises. Im really trying to say that its still okay to set your XO at 45Hz as long as you know the real reasons for doing so.

Seemed to work fine for me. It set my Paradigm Studio 100s to large (full range?)...I changed it to small & 80Hz. It set my center channel to small & 40Hz, and the surround and back speakers to small & 80Hz. I changed the center to 80Hz as well.

Does audyssey handle subwoofer EQing the same way with full range as it does when setting an XO?

Depends what you mean by "adequately". At lower levels, they'll be fine, but when asked to play at say -15db and up to reference, they simply can't be asked to perform at their "118db max" rating across the range.

As for your sub, think of it this way, all you're asking it to do is handle below 80hz well, nothing else, and it has it's own dedicated amplifier for this. It also is in a much larger enclosure for the single 12" woofer to work its magic. Whereas your speakers (even with dual 10" woofers) need to handle a much, much larger band, in a smaller enclosure occupied by several other drivers.

Freeing up your mains from sub 80hz duties "frees" them up to do what they do best.

I don't know.

What I do know is that the Paradigms don't like to be assaulted by the PLX3402 when running full range, but they do OK with it when HPF is set to 80Hz.

That makes sense...

ok... make sure the pre pro is "on" (not in standby), and do this:

when you bring up the app, click the "refresh" button on the top right (the little "circle arrow" thingie)... it should find your avr by itself (actually, it should find it without the refresh)...

see what happens when you do that...

also, go into "manual setup", "network setup", "other", "network standby" and turn that to "on"... that will allow you to access the pre-pro with the app when it is in standby...

when you gonna come to the toxic waste dumps and build me an ib penn?

judging from recent posts, it sounds like we are getting somewhere now...

Yes. Each channel is EQ'ed independently and it affects all signals through that channel, including the sub.

Plan the project and I will make it work

so if i have a sub that has it own crossover that lets me set a max high end for signal should i set it to the highest which i think is 120 or 100, 80 60 or 40? it also has a THX setting which I think would be the best. set it there and let the pre amp handle the crossover? also it has a volume knob on it. where should I set that when i run audyssey?

You should set your Subs Low pass dial to the highest max frequency possible (120Hz from what you posted).

You do not need it because your Pre/pro will handle the XO for the sub.

volume dial is a trickier one and is sub/room dependant. I like about 60% just so I can have more gain after audyssey if I want to boost my overall sub level

If your two subs are identical, equidistant from the listening position, and receive the same EQ'd signal, then they should already be in phase w/ each other.

AJ

Set the LPF control on the sub as high as it goes or if there is a LPF disable switch or direct input use that.

I had to adjust the volume on my subs a couple times to get where I wanted. First cal review showed sub trim at -12dB so I turned the volume of the subs down from about 50% to about 40%. Second cal showed subs at something like -5dB so I turned subs down to about 25%. Third cal showed subs at +0.5dB so I left them alone at that point @ ~25% volume position setting.

Actually, I think I saw an Audyssey guide or maybe it it was the 7005 manual suggest 1/3 volume as a starting point.

I'm curious if you guys have have experiemented with 2ch analog OUT', for music, how is sound quality through the AV7005?

how do you like 2ch pure analog for music sources (CD, SACD, DVD-a) through your AV8003?

Any thoughts?

I have used many AVRs for amps. Its a great idea

You should set the volume on the AVR to whatever you think is correct and leave it. You should use your volume control on your pre/pro after that.

all i gotta do is talk swmbo into letting us vent it into her dressing room, and we'll be set... and she's actually pretty much onboard with the idea... maybe next year...


yea, it should be ok... you'll "fix" the volume on the sony to one point (treating it's volume knob as a gain control), and control the volume from the pre-pro... might take a bit of fiddling to get it "right", but unless there's something funky about the sony, it should work...

edit: dammit penn... 1 minute before me...

You posted better instructions

I really don't know much about the 3D subject so I thought I would ask.

Is 3D capable a feature that is on the motherboard or is it a feature that could be enabled through a firmware update.
I think they updated my PS3 fatty to play 3D blurays through a firmware update.

I don't think I will get 3D TV anytime soon but would hate to know that the $1500 preamp I bought wouldn't do it. Now could someone come out with an add on 3D processor or must the pre/avr must do it?

^^^

you'll be fine... as a hdmi 1.4a device, the pre-pro will pass through the 3d signal to your display... one of the few things that is defined as "mandatory" in the 1.4a spec is framerates that are acceptable for 3d as we currently "know it"...

the reason that the ps3 (as a source) was able to be "updated to 3d" is because it has an immense amount of processing power available to it (compared to "normal" ce devices), and sony was able to emulate the stream, even though it's using a 1.3 chipset...

It is always analog out, no?

Any former AV8003 owners who jumped to the AV7005?

I know it probably been addressed however before I order a AV7005 I am curious if it will allow you to listen to a music source while watching TV or a video source? Thanks

I know this is a stupid question, but will this avp (and others) allow you bypass Audyssey eq completely and just listen to it "plain" for a while. Can you then let Audyssey do its thing at a later date? I'd like to do that, just to compare at first.

If you bypass the Audyssey EQ, can you use the volume regulator, or are they a package deal?

Thanks!

You do not have to run audessey at all. That is a user option. I do believe that some of the volume related settings are unique to Audessey so if you don't have Audessey on then you can't use those functions.

Okay, so we can't even set say a different delay per sub? I.e., I was hoping with 2 sub outs you'd have level and distance controls for each?

Nope. For discrete alignment of two subs, you have to step up to a pre/pro or AVR w/ MultEQ XT32 + Sub EQ HT (e.g. Integra 80.2, Denon 4311CI, Onkyo NR5008). Additionally, some higher end Yamaha AVRs (e.g. Z11, A3000) have fully discrete (L/R or F/B) dual sub outputs.

AJ