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post #7711 of 9371
2/16/12 at 8:52pm
Just to be sure you realize, there could be a lot of pitfalls to getting it, assuming you also plan to use it here in the US:

-No warranty coverage through US dealers
-may not be expecting US AC electricity
-may not search for firmware updates or if it does it may be searching for them to a different server on another continent which refuses to download to a US location
-no Airplay upgrade , possibly
-FM tuner radio deemphasis might be off
-RF tuner antenna connection might be odd (smooth, push on F-connection with no threads, for example)
-may not have "HD radio" at all
-may not be expecting NTSC signals (PAL SECAM etc)

Yes, there may be ways around these things, but I'm just sayin.
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post #7712 of 9371
2/16/12 at 8:52pm
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Originally Posted by DHF View Post

Ted

I have never seen or heard of a gold version. Where did you hear of it

do a google search with 'gold' in it and click the image tab, it's gorgeous and want one! I contacted Marantz and they told me its discontinued and is only available in the UK and AU. Now I need to find a source overseas to ship me one
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post #7713 of 9371
2/16/12 at 9:05pm
Marantz UK shows many receivers in silver/gold, as an option, but not the "AV Control amplifier" AV7005. Only black.
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post #7714 of 9371
2/17/12 at 4:59am
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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

^You shouldn't be using XLR connections actually, you should be using RCA, assuming you want to keep your noise floor as low as possible.

FWIW, I'm using cheapo balanced cables from Markertek Video Supply with effectively zero noise with an Anthem MCA 50.
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post #7715 of 9371
2/17/12 at 5:03am
@schalliol...

that's what i used as well...

that being said, mz is correct there... measurements show that the xlr out is actually "noisier" than the rca outs on the av7005...

however, like many things, "meaurability" and "audibility" are two different things...
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post #7716 of 9371
2/17/12 at 5:04am
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Originally Posted by mimileadfaad3 View Post

Do you happen to know if/when Anthem is planning to update their prepro line? I greatly enjoyed my AVM-20 and a D1 but the leap to the D2 was a bit of a stretch economically in an environment that is ever changing and improving.

ask in an anthem thread, maybe?
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post #7717 of 9371
2/17/12 at 5:06am
Has anyone compared the xlr and unbalanced RCAs and have audibly been able to tell the difference in noise floor, etc.?

If so, what are your amplifier and speakers?
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post #7718 of 9371
2/17/12 at 5:46am
I've done some switching between the XLR and RCA on my AV7005 and had mixed results. This was purely a volume down (not muted) ear by speaker test for hum/hiss/etc. noise. I've recently had my house remodeled and added a number of lights, Lutron dimmers (ugh), and new 20A outlets. Prior to the remodel, I very successfully used RCA cables from my AV7005 to the amps about 15' away. I swapped to the XLR and had no noticable difference in base noise. Since the remdel, I've gained a nice 60Hz hum when the TV or projector is HDMI connected. When HDMI outs are disconnected and I use the XLR, there is very little hiss/hum, basically none. With the HDMI connected there's an audible hum from seating position, but just barely. With RCA connected and HDMI out connected the hum becomes very loud. In my case it has to do with grounding issues, so not really a test of noise floor of the RCA out vs. XLR out of the AV7005, but still a noise added to the signal not originally intended by the recording artist.

For my equipment I use very revealing speakers with no veil coverings or sheets over them (except during the remodel), amps that are very heavy, and my speaker cable is not touching the carpet...since we have ceramic tile.
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post #7719 of 9371
2/17/12 at 9:28am
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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

Ding-Ding-Ding! And we have our first qualifying entry, folks, just three days later! This straight from the Silver Snake (oil) cable, erm, I mean Silver Serpent cable's description:

"The hybrid construction gives all of the sonic benefits of silver (dynamic high frequencies) and all of the sonic benefits of copper (deep, tight bass response)." Source.

Fire up your memory banks, folks, this ad should trigger a recollection of my post: This is expression "C" , straight from my warning list in actual use! In truth, this cable will have no measurable or discernible difference in bass (or treble) response, compared to one literally 1/10th the price. Copper and silver do not have differences in audio frequency response as they claim. It is simply 100% B.S. and a lie. [Of course the placebo effect they induce may have DTB, deeper tighter bass, however, [] so don't be surprised if you see testimonials which support their bogus claims.]

$100 for 1 meter XLR cables?! That's exorbitant (if one is concerned only with shielding, sound quality, and durability, that is. If pretty colors are your thing, I can't argue with that.)

Why not try using what the pros actually use, instead, and exactly what the music flowed through in the recording studio where the music you listen to was made? Brands like Hosa for $5 each.

-zero sound degradation
-well shielded
-locking tab, metal construction
-strain relief
-lifetime warranty (you are unlikely to ever need to invoke, but it's there.)
-sorry, no designer colors or B.S. audiophile mythology based claims
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Just like everyone is free to recommend brands they like, others are allowed to state why they may have objections to those brands. You just read mine.

amem!

Emotiva cables are very good quality. I've used Radio Shack cables in the past and they were good but connectors did seem to oxidize after a few years.

Joe
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post #7720 of 9371
2/17/12 at 9:41am
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Originally Posted by joeren View Post

amem!

Emotiva cables are very good quality.

Joe

Agreed, but not thÃ*t cheap. I have the Emotiva XLR from my Weiss DAC2 to the XPA-1. They cost $45 for 5 m. ($40 for 2 m are the ones I have). I just bought a Behringer NU6000 to power a pair of LLT subs and got XLR 5 m cables from the same pro audio store: Â8 each! Seems very good quality. The brand is ProCAB. The Emo's do look nicer.
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post #7721 of 9371
2/17/12 at 2:11pm
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Has anyone compared the xlr and unbalanced RCAs and have audibly been able to tell the difference in noise floor, etc.?

If so, what are your amplifier and speakers?

Yes, nothing scientific but enough for myself and my wife to notice.

Here is my relevant config for this discussion:

PURAV PF60 with a stable 121v source (15amp non dedicated wall jack)

Items below requiring mains power plugged in to above

AV7005
Sunfire TGA-7401
Polk Audio RTi12
Good quality speaker cable that terminates to spades on amp and speaker terminals (bi wired config)

The AV7005 replaced a Sony DA9000ES that I had configed as a pre/pro (amps turned off)

I had good quality 3 and 6 foot RCA interconnects on that model to the TGA-7401 and I had detectable hiss/low volume zzz from the HF drivers in the polks.

When I replaced the Sony with the Marantz, I had the same issue but greatly subdued noise wise. It was still perceptible but not as obvious.

Replaced the RCA interconnects with Monoprice 16 gauge 6 foot XLR cables going from AV7005 to TGA-7401 and the noise is gone. No low hiss when material is paused at regular volume or when volume is low with no source playing.

I definitely noticed a difference when going from RCAs of good quality to these XLRs.


Hope this helps.
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post #7722 of 9371
2/17/12 at 2:39pm
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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

^You shouldn't be using XLR connections actually, you should be using RCA, assuming you want to keep your noise floor as low as possible.

Proof?
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post #7723 of 9371
2/17/12 at 2:53pm
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Has anyone compared the xlr and unbalanced RCAs and have audibly been able to tell the difference in noise floor, etc.?

If so, what are your amplifier and speakers?

I'm going to try some Mogami XLR interconnects I just picked up against RCA's over the next two weeks. I wrote off going the XLR route for a few reasons I wrote about a few posts back but never did an A/B comparison in person. I'll report back with my experience.
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post #7724 of 9371
2/17/12 at 3:00pm
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Originally Posted by exm View Post

Proof?

HERE

The assumption 'm. zillich' may want to be careful about making is that the higher noise floor will occur no matter the make and model amplifier. The review was specifically testing the AV7005 and the MM7055. If m. zillich can provide proof that a higher noise floor occurs with xlr over rca regardless of the amp I'm as interested as everyone else to see it.

-EDIT- I noticed 'schalliol' was quoting an old reply that m. zillich very likely had written in response to someone with a AV7005+MM7055 combo looking to use XLR's. schalliol - I don't think anyone has made the generalization that a higher noise floor applies when installing XLR's between the AV7005 and every amp, regardless of make/model. You may want to be careful taking quotes out of context.
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post #7725 of 9371
2/17/12 at 4:04pm
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Originally Posted by Magnus_CA View Post

HERE

The assumption 'm. zillich' may want to be careful about making is that the higher noise floor will occur no matter the make and model amplifier. The review was specifically testing the AV7005 and the MM7055. If m. zillich can provide proof that a higher noise floor occurs with xlr over rca regardless of the amp I'm as interested as everyone else to see it.

-EDIT- I noticed 'schalliol' was quoting an old reply that m. zillich very likely had written in response to someone with a AV7005+MM7055 combo looking to use XLR's. schalliol - I don't think anyone has made the generalization that a higher noise floor applies when installing XLR's between the AV7005 and every amp, regardless of make/model. You may want to be careful taking quotes out of context.

I appreciate the thorough reply and yes, I didn't read all messages Just - not to pick on 'm. zillich' - but I sometimes find him a bit too "black and white" so I wasn't sure if this was one of those type of statements. I have the AV7005 connect to my A51/A23 combo using BJC XLR cables and I'm really enjoying the combination. Since I haven't used RCA I was curious to see if there is any reasonable doubt that I should at least try RCA, since in my humble opinion cables DO matter in the analog world.
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post #7726 of 9371
2/17/12 at 5:03pm
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Originally Posted by exm View Post

I have the AV7005 connect to my A51/A23 combo using BJC XLR cables and I'm really enjoying the combination. Since I haven't used RCA I was curious to see if there is any reasonable doubt that I should at least try RCA, since in my humble opinion cables DO matter in the analog world.

I have not yet tried using XLR in my Marantz based HT system but in my 2 channel system I tried both BlueJean XLR and Monster Ultra I 600 and experienced no audible difference. I also tried connecting from the 95 to the preamp via XLR, also no difference. I think depending on the individual system using XLR may have lesser chance of getting ground hum but if you system is not prone to ground hum then I doubt you can hear a difference in other kind of noises and/or sound quality.
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post #7727 of 9371
2/17/12 at 5:12pm
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Originally Posted by Face2 View Post


If you're set on XLR cables, check out Mogami Gold, they're the industry standard.

These are what I use with neutral xlr's. Had them custome made for pretty cheap. Not quite as inexpensive as monoprice but not pricey by any stretch. Feel much better made than monoprice as well...
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post #7728 of 9371
2/17/12 at 6:43pm
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Originally Posted by Magnus_CA View Post

HERE
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-EDIT- I noticed 'schalliol' was quoting an old reply that m. zillich very likely had written in response to someone with a AV7005+MM7055 combo looking to use XLR's. schalliol - I don't think anyone has made the generalization that a higher noise floor applies when installing XLR's between the AV7005 and every amp, regardless of make/model. You may want to be careful taking quotes out of context.

Your edited version above is quite correct. The poster I was addressing clearly indicated the specific amp he was about to use, and that was what (and who) I was addressing. I included the same link which shows the noise data in my post, as well:

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Originally Posted by bornacane View Post

Hey guys should be getting my av7005 with mm7055 soon what xlr connectors r u using???????

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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

^You shouldn't be using XLR connections actually, you should be using RCA, assuming you want to keep your noise floor as low as possible. Usually there's no difference in the performance at all*, but in the particular case of your equipment, using the RCA jacks should yield roughly 3dB lower noise...

P.S. You might want to check out the Hometheater magazine review of your gear. Hope you enjoy them.
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post #7729 of 9371
2/17/12 at 7:10pm
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Originally Posted by will5 View Post

Looks like this week, a firmware update is available.

Wonder if there is a place to look for changelog.

I also upgraded the firmware to the latest rev today.

These companies could definitely help us out by posting a change log. Oppo is very good at this.

Would be great if Marantz followed suit.

I am definitely interested in any bugs resolved, feature additions/tweaks and any other changes introduced by a firmware update.
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post #7730 of 9371
2/17/12 at 7:34pm
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Originally Posted by xjrguy View Post

I also upgraded the firmware to the latest rev today.

These companies could definitely help us out by posting a change log. Oppo is very good at this.

Would be great if Marantz followed suit.

I am definitely interested in any bugs resolved, feature additions/tweaks and any other changes introduced by a firmware update.

You can email Marantz tech support and they will tell you what you want to know.
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post #7731 of 9371
2/17/12 at 8:41pm
It's Nice marantz still give us some updates.

If anyone gets a response from marantz with changelog, Please post it here.


Guys, Maybe a noob question.. I have a pc connected to 7005 through hdmi. Win7 only let me choose up to 48khz sampling freq. With optical I can select 192khz, but i wont get dolby true HD or dts master audio, cause only works through hdmi.

There is a way to get 192khz through hdmi? Audio is handled by an ati gpu card.
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post #7732 of 9371
2/17/12 at 9:30pm
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Originally Posted by will5 View Post

It's Nice marantz still give us some updates.

If anyone gets a response from marantz with changelog, Please post it here.


Guys, Maybe a noob question.. I have a pc connected to 7005 through hdmi. Win7 only let me choose up to 48khz sampling freq. With optical I can select 192khz, but i wont get dolby true HD or dts master audio, cause only works through hdmi.

There is a way to get 192khz through hdmi? Audio is handled by an ati gpu card.

Drivers up to date? I have no problem passing 192k through my ATI card.
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post #7733 of 9371
2/17/12 at 10:16pm
I am getting 192 kHz through my HTPC. No video card - onboard graphics. You can't bitstream 192 but the Marantz will take PCM.
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post #7734 of 9371
2/18/12 at 6:07am
I always have up to date drivers.

It's an onboard ati.

On windows audio setup only 44.1 and 48 are showing. When I play a 192khz flac, it gets downsampled to 48khz.

On optical output 192khz flac plays as 192khz.

Dont know If it could be related to tv. When I turn off 7005, hdmi audio get routed to tv.
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post #7735 of 9371
2/19/12 at 9:47am
The problem you are having is in the HTPC or hardware setup - not with the Marantz. A detailed discussion takes place in the HTPC forum boards.
When you see an HTPC resampling to 48 or 44.1 kHz, the software you are using is not bypassing Windows audio mixer. Set the audio to WASAPI exclusive - if no audio card - or ASIO if there is an audio card. The audio device should show up in Win7 as Marantz 7005. Dont know why you would be running audio on optical - its bandwidth is limited and you will not be able to play uncompressed movies through it. Perhaps you have an outboard DAC?
I recommend the Assassin guides on the HTPC forum.
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post #7736 of 9371
2/19/12 at 12:51pm
Thanks.

Probably hd4200 cant do more than 48khz through hdmi. Ati hdmi audio device show 44.1 and 48, and only 16bit. DD and DTS works bypassing windows. But Looks like true HD and master audio dont work.

On optical, files pass through 7005 the way they are, so, it shouldn't be a soft problem.

Ill check that thread and make some more testing.
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post #7737 of 9371
2/20/12 at 8:44am
Hello,

I just purchased the AV7005.
I am running a Sony XBR65HX929 and McIntosh MC205 amp.

I have sound with all sources except Netflix.

The hdmi cable (AUVIO...Auvio cables incorporated HDMI, HDMI Ethernet Channel, Audio Return Channel, 3D and 4K technology) is connected to the AV7005 hdmi out 1 arc and the Sony hdmi arc 1 input.
The Sony has Netflix built in.

When watching TV or Blu-ray and I want to watch Netflix, I click on the Netflix button on the remove. The Sony will then activate Netflix, the screen will show the video of Netflix, but the sound will continue to be what ever I was previously watching. Not Netflix.

Why is that?

Is there a setting in the Sony or the Marantz I need to disable or enable?

Shouldn't Netflix's audio enable automatically?
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post #7738 of 9371
2/20/12 at 9:04am
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Originally Posted by bekindrewind View Post

Hello,

I just purchased the AV7005.
I am running a Sony XBR65HX929 and McIntosh MC205 amp.

I have sound with all sources except Netflix.

The hdmi cable (AUVIO...Auvio cables incorporated HDMI, HDMI Ethernet Channel, Audio Return Channel, 3D and 4K technology) is connected to the AV7005 hdmi out 1 arc and the Sony hdmi arc 1 input.
The Sony has Netflix built in.

When watching TV or Blu-ray and I want to watch Netflix, I click on the Netflix button on the remove. The Sony will then activate Netflix, the screen will show the video of Netflix, but the sound will continue to be what ever I was previously watching. Not Netflix.

Why is that?

Is there a setting in the Sony or the Marantz I need to disable or enable?

Shouldn't Netflix's audio enable automatically?

My system is not the same as yours but I imagine you need to run a cable from an audio line out from your TV to one of the inputs on your AV7005. Since you don't need video running into your TV I think an spdif or digital optical out to the 7005 will suffice.
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post #7739 of 9371
2/20/12 at 9:07am
http://www.amazon.com/Marantz-AV7005-Audio-Video-Pre-Processor/dp/B003R7KMS8/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1329757546&sr=1-1

I'm thinking about getting this with my tax return.. just wanna make sure it's a fair price. Thanks!
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post #7740 of 9371
2/20/12 at 9:12am
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Originally Posted by bekindrewind View Post

Hello,

I just purchased the AV7005.
I am running a Sony XBR65HX929 and McIntosh MC205 amp.

I have sound with all sources except Netflix.

The hdmi cable (AUVIO...Auvio cables incorporated HDMI, HDMI Ethernet Channel, Audio Return Channel, 3D and 4K technology) is connected to the AV7005 hdmi out 1 arc and the Sony hdmi arc 1 input.
The Sony has Netflix built in.

When watching TV or Blu-ray and I want to watch Netflix, I click on the Netflix button on the remove. The Sony will then activate Netflix, the screen will show the video of Netflix, but the sound will continue to be what ever I was previously watching. Not Netflix.

Why is that?

Is there a setting in the Sony or the Marantz I need to disable or enable?

Shouldn't Netflix's audio enable automatically?

On the 7005 ensure that HDMI Control is set to YES, while on the Sony ensure that BraviaSync is set to YES and you may also have to set external speakers to YES as well. Once the correct settings are made on both devices, you should be able to get the ARC feature to work correctly.
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