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post #8161 of 9615
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

1. Dyn EQ boosts the bass/surround audio more as the master volume is further lowered below 0db. So as you increase the Reference Level Offset from -5db to -15db, you decrease the amount of bass/surround boost that is applied. Although generally preferred for non film sources (eg. TV, music), you can certainly use this setting for film sources as well if you prefer.

2. It's certainly possible, but you can also just lower them to suit your preference. Also see #1 above.

3. No, although the Denon and Marantz AVRs are essentially clones of one another (ie. 7005 and 3311CI), there are some feature differences, of which the Quick Selects you are referring to are only offered on the Denon models.


Many thanks for the reply.

1 & 2: I might tweak down my surrounds down, then try different offsets.
I can see a senario where I'd leave the RLO at 0, and use 15dB for the odd insanely dynamic/bass-heavy mixes (I'm in an apartment).

3. I suppose that's fair enough.

My original reason for asking was that although I run almost everything in Dolby ProLogic IIx 7.0 (4 surrounds, no sub, 3 x full-range fronts), the AV7005 frequently switches this off when I put in a Blu-ray and the signal changes to Dolby True-HD or DTS-Master.
It'd be great to stop this happening somehow....
post #8162 of 9615
^^
When the AVR is receiving a discrete 7.1 audio source, there's nothing to simulate so no need for DD PLIIx, whereas with a DTS HD-MA or Dolby TrueHD 5.1 track, it will use DD PLIIx to simulate the rear surround channels, the surround mode then being either DTS HD - PLIIx - Movie/Music or Dolby TrueHD + PLIIx - Movie/Music.
post #8163 of 9615
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
When the AVR is receiving a discrete 7.1 audio source, there's nothing to simulate so no need for DD PLIIx, whereas with a DTS HD-MA or Dolby TrueHD 5.1 track, it will use DD PLIIx to simulate the rear surround channels, the surround mode then being either DTS HD - PLIIx - Movie/Music or Dolby TrueHD + PLIIx - Movie/Music.

Thanks.
Yes, I know. But I mean that even if it's a 5.1 Dolby or DTS lossless track, the Marantz switches off ProLogic IIx. I then need to manually switch it back on.
Does no one else have this problem?
post #8164 of 9615
^^
Ah ... misunderstood you. Once DD PLIIx is selected for each source audio type, it should be remembered. Try unplugging the AVR for a few minutes and see if that resolves the issue, otherwise you may want to SAVE the config file to a PC if not already done and reset the microprocessor.
post #8165 of 9615
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

I usually listen to BD movies at -25, occasionally -20, and pop CDs at -35. Much more than that is almost painful.

These are about my levels too. It's interesting that some people listen to movies at -10dB. That would be really loud on my system.

CDs move around a lot more for mid '80's released stuff relatively low in volume vs more recent stuff that has been unfortunately brickwalled.
post #8166 of 9615
Kevin

Yea some sources and other recorded material will vary in volume level. You can on the marantz set levels / calibrate for sources so that they are all the same level so that 0db is still reference level if you have a hot source.
post #8167 of 9615
Setting separate levels for separate input connections on the pre/pro works well, but setting them is a lot harder to do when one uses the same player for different types of source material. For example, it'd be really nice if a pre/pro could detect when a BD player is playing a CD and use that information to select a different default volume level. (Hey, it's only software! )
post #8168 of 9615
I don't know if this is related to my volume issue but my unit makes a click noise every so often when I watch a movie. I haven't narrowed it down to whether its the av7005 or mm7055 but I have no idea why it would make a clicking noise...

Has anyone ever heard there receiver do that or know what could be the cause of it.
post #8169 of 9615
^If you mean a mechanical click noise from the chassis itself, as opposed to an electrical signal that is reproduced over the loudspeakers, the source is undoubtedly solenoid operated relays.

These sorts of units often use them to eliminate loud turn on and turn off thumps which can be annoying, wake the baby, or potentially even damage a speaker.

There are also relays for other functions inside. I know I hear some activating when running an Audyssey mic test, for example.

If you press your "mute" button you'll hear one in action.
post #8170 of 9615
The AV7005 only clicks at turn on and turn off.
Also when mute is pressed.

The AV7005 doesnt make any noise when changing sources. Some receivers and other preamps ( Sherwood P965 ) will click every time you change inputs as the inputs are all run through relays. The AV7005 however is all digital so I beleive thats why there are no relays clicking while switching.

The MM7055 is FORCED AIR COOLED.....Ill bet your hearing the fan relay. Im not sure if its a multi speed fan or a two speed fan but its problably the fan either turining on or speeding up and or turning off depending on when you hear the clicks.
post #8171 of 9615
I believe that answers my question. It probably is the fan turning on. I just didn't think it would make a loud click to activate the fan.

I still have no idea why my receivers volume is so out of whack. People mentioned watching a movie at -20... I could never do that with this receiver as it is wayyy Too quiet.

I watched a Bourne movie last night and had it at -8db and.the volume was at a decent level.
post #8172 of 9615
The AV7005 also has relay clicks when changing between surround rear, front wide, and front heights modes, should it matter.
post #8173 of 9615
So has anyone heard there unit click while in operation. Not when muting or powering on/off. Just purely watching something.
post #8174 of 9615
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Originally Posted by Pearcey9 View Post

So has anyone heard there unit click while in operation. Not when muting or powering on/off. Just purely watching something.

TV/Cable, yes. Between regular programming and commercials since the audio modes change.

During BR disks, no.
post #8175 of 9615
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Originally Posted by Electric_Haggis View Post

Many thanks for the reply.

1 & 2: I might tweak down my surrounds down, then try different offsets.

Not sure if this is relevant, just throwing it out. I have a SR7005 (note that's the AVR) which is my third AVR, all from different makers, in the last 4 years or so.

I have a 5.1 setup, and routinely use PLII Music/Movie for stereo sources. On the two previous AVRs, this was a no brainer, but on the Marantz, the surrounds were stupid loud after Audessey setup in PLII.

My thought at the time was that the "Dimension" or whatever the relevant variable for surround level is, was at a different default than others previous. So, since you're using PLIIx, maybe you're having the same issue, but don't have previous experience to relate to? If PLIIx has those same variables, find the one for surround level and drop it. IIRC I'm using "3" if that matters.
post #8176 of 9615
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Originally Posted by Pearcey9 View Post

I still have no idea why my receivers volume is so out of whack. People mentioned watching a movie at -20... I could never do that with this receiver as it is wayyy Too quiet.

I watched a Bourne movie last night and had it at -8db and.the volume was at a decent level.

Different speakers have different impedance, higher impedance result in quiter speakers when played at the same level settings... Also some speakers are easier to drive some are harder to drive all depending on the crossover circuits... So you will never have the same dB readings on your amp as someone else.
I'm using B&W 802 series 2 speakers as front. These are known to be difficult to drive. I removed the stock filter crossover and built one myself from scratch with high-end components respecting the original crossover frequency. The 802s are much easier to drive as there are much less components in the signal path. Not to mention how much more superior they sound now... Just goes to show...
post #8177 of 9615
I thought we already established where you are quite possibly hearing this click?

No dissrespect but how many times are you going to ask the same questions?

If your 100% unsure when and where this click is comming from you need to investigate it on the actual equipment. I wish I lived in the same town as you so I could come out and do a service call for you. Other wise you may need to put your ear on the equipment and tell us exactly that its comming from the AV7005...Otherwise I stand by what I said earlier that its the fan relay in the amp. Do you have the amp and preamp stacked on top of eachother? If so its almost impossible to tell who is clicking....

Some solidly built relays will click pretty good enough to be able to be heard a good distance away. Think about it the relay just for mute is a pretty good little click to be heard while Im playing my system at a pretty reasonable volume. Unless your sitting right next to the amp then it may actually appear to be clicking right in your ear....

My normal listening volume for most of my sources is -8 to -6 depending on what im watching or listening to. My system is calibrated with a digital SPL meter for reference level SPL's....Its friggen rocken at 0db and nothing is distorted or cliping.
post #8178 of 9615
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Originally Posted by Face2 View Post

TV/Cable, yes. Between regular programming and commercials since the audio modes change.

During BR disks, no.

I was going to add that as this may be the senario.....
post #8179 of 9615
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Originally Posted by smaragd View Post

Different speakers have different impedance, higher impedance result in quiter speakers when played at the same level settings... Also some speakers are easier to drive some are harder to drive all depending on the crossover circuits... So you will never have the same dB readings on your amp as someone else.
I'm using B&W 802 series 2 speakers as front. These are known to be difficult to drive. I removed the stock filter crossover and built one myself from scratch with high-end components respecting the original crossover frequency. The 802s are much easier to drive as there are much less components in the signal path. Not to mention how much more superior they sound now... Just goes to show...

I get what your saying about speaker effeciantcies but theres still reference standards. Not all speakers are reference speakers but you still should be able to calibrate the system within the standards to make the speakers output proper levels. The level of difficulty to drive is then relitive to the amplifier driving those speakers. You wouldnt hook up a difficult speaker load to a punnie little gutless power amp and then have it be clipping just to make those speakers work . The speakers and amps should all be matched up so that a difficult load can be run easily by an amp thats got plenty of horse power, so much so that the amp isnt in the red and hasnt got any headroom after its getting the speakers to reference level.
post #8180 of 9615
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Originally Posted by Pearcey9 View Post

Can anyone tell me what volume you set it at when watching a blu ray. Most my movies I have to set it to atleast -10db to get decent sound and sometimes upto -5db which seems insane... i e-mailed my Marantz rep and he said that this receiver -10db was normal. I watched Captain America and had to turn it to -7db I hooked up a different receiver to my set and -20db gave me the same output that I got from my Marantz, I know you cant compare receivers but that seems like quite a difference... I have a MM7055 paired with my AV7005 and Totems for speakers.

I am not impressed with it and I dont feel comfortable playing my system at -5 for movies.

I also just recently started to notice my receiver or power amp making a tick noise when watching a movie every few minutes or so...

any input would be greatly appreciated.

So many factors, like...

Room size
Room treatments
Amp
Cables connecting the Pre to the Amp
Speakers
Source material recording levels

I just moved into a new house. In my old house with the same equipment, I struggled to break -15, ever. In the new house, I break 0 quite often as the room is 3x as big. I'm using an Outlaw Audio 7700 (7x200w per channel) but only running 5.1. The main RS1000's have their own amp built in for their woofer. The sub is an Axiom EP600 that also has its own amp built in. I'm also using XLR cables to connect the amp to the Pre, and the Sub to the Pre.

As for the click when changing channels, I had that in the old house using Direct TV and it originally REALLY bothered me, but I looked past it over time. In the new house using Direct TV, I don't think I have it anymore. The Direct TV system is a bit different in the new house, with a different splitter in the system.

What I still have is a ground loop and with all these Amps, I may have to start lifting grounds...
post #8181 of 9615
After much thought i have considered maybe selling the av7005 and mm7055 as I am just not satisfied with it. I use to have a pioneer elite SC25 and i liked it a lot and was thinking about replacing my current setup with the newest elite receiver but would love to hear if anyone has any thought on there new receivers and if it would be a downgrade to go to a pioneer from the marantz. I know it is switching to an av receiver from pre pro but if anyone has any thoughts of the pioneer receivers or another receiver that might be good choice. I was also looking at the MRX700 and like it and have heard good things about it.
post #8182 of 9615
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Originally Posted by Pearcey9 View Post

After much thought i have considered maybe selling the av7005 and mm7055 as I am just not satisfied with it. I use to have a pioneer elite SC25 and i liked it a lot and was thinking about replacing my current setup with the newest elite receiver but would love to hear if anyone has any thought on there new receivers and if it would be a downgrade to go to a pioneer from the marantz. I know it is switching to an av receiver from pre pro but if anyone has any thoughts of the pioneer receivers or another receiver that might be good choice. I was also looking at the MRX700 and like it and have heard good things about it.

Why aren't you satisfied with the AV7005 ?
I've found it pretty marvellous.
post #8183 of 9615
I am sure there is just something wrong with my unit as everyone says they love this equipment. as I mentioned it previous posts the sound stage is lacking and I have to put my receiver up to -8db to get a decent volume for movies and even at 0db its not extremely loud. Also if I play my xbox the bass from my speakers and sub is very weak compared to any other source. the only way to get around that bass is to turn dynamic EQ on but it is horrible for games as it turns the surrounds up way too loud.

by comparing it to my sc 25 I found the pioneer to be more impressive sounding. Although I love the looks of the Marantz but looks means nothing in audio lol
post #8184 of 9615
Sounds like you may need to recalibrate Audissey...
Try this first... Also if this didn't help, it could be your calibration mic may be faulty.
post #8185 of 9615
^^^^^^
Sounds like you just got a dodgy unit... or are just completely stuck on the sound of the sound of the Pioneer.

It seems unbelievable that it could sound worse, especially with its specs, Marantz's reputation... every single review overwhelmingly positive.

Not sure about the volume difference mattering anyway. Is it actually distorting?

With Dynamic EQ, adjusting the Reference Level Offset will bring down the surround and bass level compensation.


Personally, I'd just report it as faulty and get a replacement AV7005.
post #8186 of 9615
I would consider doing this...

- Re-run the auto setup from numerous positions. I do 5.

- Get a sound meter from RadioShack and from the main listening position, make sure the speaker levels are equal. You could also up them in the process and that would lower the displayed volume number. Example, if the speaker with the highest number is currently at -7, consider putting that at -3 (so you still have room to adjust later), turn the volume up so the SPL meter reads 80db, and then adjust the other channel levels so the meter says 80 on them as well. I'm not sure why this processor would have anything at the upper or lower limit if it could be avoided, but it did for me and I will have to adjust it manually.

- Tune into a source that is playing 5.1 surround, and THEN go and set the EQ to manual and go into the EQ and play with the EQ for the speakers. You'll only be able to adjust the EQ on all speakers when such a signal is being processed.

- now that you have it at Manual EQ, you can also set the tone (bass and treble).


If you can't get it to sound just the way you want it, I'd be surprised. I don't do any Dynamic EQ personally and the sound with the Audessy EQ is a good start, but not enough low end for me.

On a side note...!
Got rid of my ground loop by putting a splitter after the Direct TV comes into the house and grounding that to the center screw of an outlet. They did not ground the dish well if at all, but my method solved the issue!!!!!! No tick sound when changing channels either. So happy!
Edited by pawrampe - 6/8/12 at 2:55am
post #8187 of 9615
Thanks for all the info guys but unfortunately i have tried all that, I have also reset my unit to factory settings and when I said i had to turn my receiver to -8db I had already upped my speakers by 2db in the channel levels so technically i am playing at -6db. I believe my unit is faulty as I know everyone that has this unit loves it and from specs this unit is great.

How can I report this unit as faulty and get a new unit? is that even possible? The only store in my area that sold Marantz closed down and now their is no Marantz nearby which is disappointing.
post #8188 of 9615
^^
If you're still inside the 30 day purchase window, you can likely return it, or if you purchased with Amex you may be able to extend that up to 90 days, otherwise, you're more likely looking at repair rather than replacement. Give Marantz a call on Monday to discuss your options.
post #8189 of 9615
Pearcey9, do you have your front Totem speakers set to "large"?
post #8190 of 9615
Hi all. Having a strange problem. I've had the 7005 for a little over a year now. In the past month or two, I have had trouble getting the volume to display on screen. If I go into settings and confirm the OSD is on, it comes back for a few mins, then when I use the volume again, it only shows up on the face plate of the unit. I've checked the HDMI connections and all are good. Any suggestions or does the unit need to go in for repair (god I hope not!).

Also, as an aside, I recently had my theater room treated by an audio engineer. OMFG what a difference in sound quality especially for music but also for movies. Everything is so much cleaner and clearer. This may be the single best upgrade I've ever done.

Thanks!
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