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post #8581 of 9615
Give a microprocessore reset a try and if that doesn't resolve the issue, it's likely defective. You could try using a XLR --> RCA adapter as well if returning the unit is not possible.
post #8582 of 9615
Does any one know how to change this EQ setting , the Audyssy calibrated the EQ like this and I want to Overide and make them Match!!
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post #8583 of 9615
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Give a microprocessore reset a try and if that doesn't resolve the issue, it's likely defective. You could try using a XLR --> RCA adapter as well if returning the unit is not possible.

Thanks for the tip. I tried that and replaced the cable but it didn't help. I have contacted support service and am waiting for a reply.
post #8584 of 9615
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Originally Posted by flyingvfreak View Post

Does any one know how to change this EQ setting , the Audyssy calibrated the EQ like this and I want to Overide and make them Match!!

You can change Audyssey to Manual (p. 74) and then use the Manual EQ settings for each channel (p. 76); however, doing so will disable Audyssey entirely as you cannot adjust the Audyssey EQ settings.
post #8585 of 9615
Bear in mind that Audyssey corrects for what it actually "hears" at the microphone positions that you used. If your speakers are offset to one side of the room, for example, or if one side of the room is covered by windows and the other by bookshelves, then the corrections have to be different.
post #8586 of 9615
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Originally Posted by flyingvfreak View Post

Does any one know how to change this EQ setting , the Audyssy calibrated the EQ like this and I want to Overide and make them Match!!

 

I wouldn't. In fact, I'd check for a blown tweeter on the Front L speaker.

post #8587 of 9615
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Bear in mind that Audyssey corrects for what it actually "hears" at the microphone positions that you used. If your speakers are offset to one side of the room, for example, or if one side of the room is covered by windows and the other by bookshelves, then the corrections have to be different.

I didnt realize that obstacles as such can impact Calibration.. I will tell you though I like the Audyssy,, It Makes room sound 10 x's better with it on!!
post #8588 of 9615
Room acoustics have about as big an effect on what you hear as the quality of the speakers. For example, hard, smooth surfaces reflect sound better than rough, absorbent ones do and "muddy" what you hear.

Looking at your graphs again, I think I tend to agree with bweissman: Audyssey is trying to compensate for a complete lack of high frequencies, which implies that the tweeter in that speaker is not working.
post #8589 of 9615
EZ-Rhino I swapped RCA cables for the left & right and the problem followed the cable. I'm suspecting the AV7005 left surround channel is defective. Any other trouble shooting you would recommend?
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What? why would you automaticly suspect the AV7005 is the problem when you clearly stated the problem followed the cable......If the problem was on the left the you swapped the cables the problem would then go to the right......

Its not the Marantz...its the cable......dont ask me why it would have worked with the yamaha then went bad with the marantz.....It could have been how it was dissconnected or a million other reasons, who knows.....It sounds like the cable is bad not the Marantz!
Edited by Vic C - 9/11/12 at 6:47pm
post #8590 of 9615
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Room acoustics have about as big an effect on what you hear as the quality of the speakers. For example, hard, smooth surfaces reflect sound better than rough, absorbent ones do and "muddy" what you hear.
Looking at your graphs again, I think I tend to agree with bweissman: Audyssey is trying to compensate for a complete lack of high frequencies, which implies that the tweeter in that speaker is not working.

When I here Audio from music or Movies I can here it working but is there a Way to Verify a Blown Tweeter?? Some kind of Meter SPL Test or Something?? Or just good Old Ol School Listening
post #8591 of 9615
Listening is the easiest.

Turn down the volume somewhat (so you don't deafen yourself) and put your ear right up next to the individual speaker drivers. It's relatively easy to hear that nothing is coming out of one of them.
post #8592 of 9615
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Since you say it sounds out of phase, have you done anything to find out if that's actually the case?
Specifically, have you tried playing a stereo CD, using just the left and right front speakers with Audyssey enabled and reversing the polarity of the connections to one of the speakers?
I used a few standard test discs that all have pink noise sine waves, etc. and the tones don't sound out of phase but the pink noise has a change to it that mimics being slightly out of phase (as opposed to obvious out of phase tests or actually having the speakers wired out of phase.)

I did go through the motions of rewiring the speakers during the test sounds which only served to put them actually out of phase so that indicates they were not suddenly rendered out of phase somehow.

The end result is that, with Audyssey on, it seems to render stereo music so that it sounds slightly out of phase. I've done tests over and over with Audyssey on/off and in Stereo (with Audyssey) and Direct and Pure Direct. In each case, Audyssey seems to move the sound stage slightly off center and the impression is that it sounds out of phase.

The one thing I have yet to do is to play the tests through headphones though I don't recall if Audyssey is effective through headphones.

Sure, some may say "Well, that's just Audyssey correcting for your room acoustics and that's the way it's supposed to sound" but I'm not so sure I buy that if it serves to move the vocal to a slightly different position (which is why it is a good idea to try the headphone test to see exactly where the vocals and instruments are "located".

One question is if Audyssey corrects for the main listening position and the area slightly around that (an average location of the 8 positions from where measurements were taken) only? Because 2-channel music definitely sounds a bit different as you move around the living room. I don't sit in one spot to listen to music. I move around and do other things. Watching a movie is different and I sit in one spot. So if it's being corrected to a single position in the room, I can see that possibly throwing my mind/hearing off a bit.
post #8593 of 9615
You'd have to connect the headphones to the line-level outputs which otherwise would go to the amps driving the left and right front speakers, not to the dedicated headphone output. Alternatively, some headphones are designed to be driven from speaker-level outputs.

Sorry: I don't recall if you mentioned if Audyssey detected any of the speakers at wrong distances. That might be a possible cause of what you're hearing.

Audyssey tries to optimize the audio across the region where the microphone has been placed. The primary listening position -- the first microphone position -- does get somewhat better audio, partly because that's the one which determines Audyssey's speaker delays. Listening outside the region where the microphone was placed certainly will result in differences in what you hear. The differing reflections certainly will change the audio coloration.

You might want to review the Audyssey FAQ and other information in the Audyssey thread at http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1
Since the issue seems most likely to be with Audyssey, and not the pre/pro, it might be appropriate to discuss your symptoms in that thread, too.
post #8594 of 9615
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

You'd have to connect the headphones to the line-level outputs which otherwise would go to the amps driving the left and right front speakers, not to the dedicated headphone output. Alternatively, some headphones are designed to be driven from speaker-level outputs.

Yeah, I figured that would be the only way. Not worth the effort.

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Originally Posted by Selden Ball 
Sorry: I don't recall if you mentioned if Audyssey detected any of the speakers at wrong distances. That might be a possible cause of what you're hearing.

Good question. Nope, the speaker distances are all correct (measured using a Stanley laser device so I can get exact distances from my ear to the speaker). The left speaker is ever so slightly farther away than the right but not more than an inch or so. That's not significant or definitely shouldn't be.

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Originally Posted by Selden Ball 
Audyssey tries to optimize the audio across the region where the microphone has been placed. The primary listening position -- the first microphone position -- does get somewhat better audio, partly because that's the one which determines Audyssey's speaker delays. Listening outside the region where the microphone was placed certainly will result in differences in what you hear. The differing reflections certainly will change the audio coloration.

Yeah, that's how I interpret it. And that's clearly not proper for 2-Ch unless you happen to glue yourself to the primary listening position which I don't do often. I was thinking that the results might be for a point too tightly contained between my ears in that one primary position (though it really should be within a circle a foot or so around that point which it might be....) Too bad this is not the Audyssey Pro setup so I coult save multiple profiles, one for HT and another for 2-CH. It would be nice to have the HT setup with the 8 nearby measuring points and the 2-CH with 8 different points all around the room (it's a big living room). Hmmm, maybe I'll try that anyway to see if the 2-CH issues go away. What can it hurt?

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Originally Posted by Selden Ball 
You might want to review the Audyssey FAQ and other information in the Audyssey thread.... Since the issue seems most likely to be with Audyssey, and not the pre/pro, it might be appropriate to discuss your symptoms in that thread, too.

Yeah, I've read that several times over the last few weeks (at least the parts that need to be read) and have followed the directions as best as I can. The only thing I have not been able to do is to get my passive/auto-active sub to remain ON during the calibration process. No matter what I do to enable the power on, the Audyssey process takes just long enough to start up that the sub drops back to passive mode for the tones! Ultimately this should not be a problem since the sub in passive mode is clearly audible but, for when movies require the additional oomph of the powered sub, the bass can get a slight bit heavy. But the issue is not sub-related thankfully. Regardless, I've followed the directions and have arrived at what seems to be the right results except for the stereo oddity.

I'll see if the Audyssey thread has some answers. Thanks for the replies and suggestions.
post #8595 of 9615
You might try turning down the volume control on the sub itself even more. That'll force Audyssey to increase the amplitude of the signal on the Subwoofer output, which may help counteract the sub's auto-turnoff.
post #8596 of 9615
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You'd have to connect the headphones to the line-level outputs which otherwise would go to the amps driving the left and right front speakers, not to the dedicated headphone output. Alternatively, some headphones are designed to be driven from speaker-level outputs

I don't recommend using the main outs of the 7005 for use with an outboard headphone amp or any other stereo application such as a recording device or to send the sound to another room. Despite turning all visual indications of Audyssey to "Off", any L vs. R distance correction (time delay) is, for some odd reason, preserved for the HDMI, optical, and coax digital inputs, so you won't have correct, unaltered, matching phase for your two channels. [This may not be an issue for this particular poster, kevinkar, if there is no time discrepancy between the L and R anyways.]
Edited by m. zillch - 9/14/12 at 6:00pm
post #8597 of 9615
Hello!
I received my AV7005 last fall, ostensibly for review purposes, and have generally been happy with it. I'm a pro-audio guy during the day, but I set it up as the hub of an elaborate bedroom multi-channel system, with all vintage tweaked McIntosh amps and restored 60s/70s speakers (ARs, Bozaks). In that context, it sounds wonderful! (The tube amps all live down in the basement machine room, btw, so I use the 7005's 200-ohm XLR outputs, with multiple runs of beefy speaker cable returning from the amps back upstairs.)
I have two specific complaints. 1. When set to multi-channel stereo for DirecTV watching (via HDMI from its fancy DVR) since some of the TV sources I watch are not discrete multi-channel, it isn't smart enough to route the mono ads anywhere, so the sound simply disappears for any mono ads. Maybe that's a good thing. ;>) 2. Either I've forgotten how, or my remote has become slightly dysfunctional, but I can't get it to access the "orange" second layer of adjustments (like setting a radio station preset, for instance, where you have to press "memory" first.) In that example, the 7005 simply cycles through the surround settings, since that's the other function of that button. What's the trick? Shift doesn't work--in Sirius mode, for instance, it just returns you to channel 184.
I have noticed the heat, and have only about 1/2" above it in the rack, so we shall see..
I haven't reset the Audyssey settings (i.e., I use it flat) since they unfortunately already set by the reviewer who had it before me. ;>) But everything sounds good in this large bedroom, and quite believable, with no EQ, so I'm in no hurry to try to hype the sound.
Any advice about the remote would be gratefully received. Thanks!
post #8598 of 9615
1. Yes, I would think that a good thing to be sure. Normally commercials are in 2.0, what country are you in? If the DD PLII mode is used for the DVR, the 2.0 audio will be simulated up to 5.1 while the 5.1 audio will play as is.
2. Try replacing the remote's batteries as p. 36 in Owner's manual implies when internet radio is playing, Memory should work.
3. Marantz recommends at least 12" clearance, although generally at least 3-4" will suffice due to heat from video card. At the very last consider adding a small PC type fan to exhaust the heat from the top of the unit.
4. Run Audyssey so your speakers are properly calibrated.
post #8599 of 9615
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Originally Posted by Vic C View Post

EZ-Rhino I swapped RCA cables for the left & right and the problem followed the cable. I'm suspecting the AV7005 left surround channel is defective. Any other trouble shooting you would recommend?
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What? why would you automaticly suspect the AV7005 is the problem when you clearly stated the problem followed the cable......If the problem was on the left the you swapped the cables the problem would then go to the right......
Its not the Marantz...its the cable......dont ask me why it would have worked with the yamaha then went bad with the marantz.....It could have been how it was dissconnected or a million other reasons, who knows.....It sounds like the cable is bad not the Marantz!

I did try replacing the cable before taking the AV7005 in for repair. I will report what they find.
post #8600 of 9615
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

4. Run Audyssey so your speakers are properly calibrated.
+1. Keep in mind, even if one chooses not to use Audyssey room correction EQ, turns it off and even engages "Pure Direct", any L vs R speaker delay discrepancy ["distance"] will still be maintained for HDMI, optical, and coax digital devices from the previous calibration run's findings (in drfred's case, a calibration from the previous owner's room and speaker placement).

I personally wish it didn't work this way, but it does.
post #8601 of 9615
Yup ... true, however, the EQ filter resolution still applies to the previous owner's speakers.
post #8602 of 9615
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Originally Posted by drfred View Post

I haven't reset the Audyssey settings (i.e., I use it flat) since they unfortunately already set by the reviewer who had it before me. ;>) But everything sounds good in this large bedroom, and quite believable, with no EQ, so I'm in no hurry to try to hype the sound.
He doesn't EQ, so the previous owner's EQ settings don't matter. The "distance" of his speakers, however, are locked to the previous owner, even if he runs everything "flat", "off", "Direct", "Pure Direct", and with no "hype". It stays engaged for the digital inputs.
Edited by m. zillch - 9/16/12 at 2:05pm
post #8603 of 9615
Thanks, people!

First, I am shocked to learn that (someone, somewhere) has proven that the distance parameter stays with the (previous) Audyssey settings, even when I turn them completely off, via the appropriate menu dialog. Next I'll bet you'll tell me that the only way to reset the Audyssey to "brand new, out of the box" status is to do some major hard reset of the whole unit, which will probably lose all my source names, routings, station presets, etc., etc. Please say it isn't so!

Second, the advice to replace the remote batteries was very astute, and solved the problem! Not only was I able to set presets for Sirius, but I also learned that there's a completely different set of them available, completely separate from the ones I've already set for Internet radio. That was a welcome surprise! (They all start out set at channel 184 which, I guess, makes sense, since that's the only one you get without a subscription.)

Anyway, thanks again for the helpful tips.

"Dr. Fred" in Western MA
post #8604 of 9615
^^
In addition to the Web Control (SAVE) feature (pp. 58-59) which can save a config file to a PC (to include the Audyssey settings), unlike its Denon counterpart 3311CI, the 7005 also features another save utility (p. 115) which may or may not also save the Audyssey settings when doing the microprocessor reset immediately following that save step on p. 115. Suggest trying this procedure first.
post #8605 of 9615
Hi. Where do I find HDMI-control? I have gone through the manual and it just tells to have it set to "on" on like 4 different pages(you know, go to page x and the same thing there again for page y) nowhere it says where HDMI-control actually is(or what it is). I have gone through the menus and outside buttons as far as I know and can't find it. I can play music but I haven't been able to connect my tv to the 7005 since it apparently requires HDMI-control. confused.gif
post #8606 of 9615
Manual Setup - HDMI Setup - HDMI Control (p. 80).

This must be set to ON if you are trying to pass a source through the 7005 while it's in Standby, or if you are trying to use the ARC feature to pass audio from a TV smart app (eg. Netflix, Hulu, Vudu) back to the 7005.
post #8607 of 9615
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Originally Posted by EZ-Rhino View Post

I did try replacing the cable before taking the AV7005 in for repair. I will report what they find.

I got my AV7005 back from the repair shop. The below was the culprit. Working well now.

post #8608 of 9615
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Manual Setup - HDMI Setup - HDMI Control (p. 80).
This must be set to ON if you are trying to pass a source through the 7005 while it's in Standby, or if you are trying to use the ARC feature to pass audio from a TV smart app (eg. Netflix, Hulu, Vudu) back to the 7005.

So this is what I would do if I want to, say use my Roku box without having to turn on the Marantz and any other device I wanted to use without turning on the Marantz.

This would allow me to see and hear everything just through my TV when the Marantz is off and through my whole system when the Marantz is on?

Thanks!!
post #8609 of 9615
Question: I have the ability to purchase the AV7005 from a friend at a fantastic price (less than one year old, very well taken care of). I'm aware that the AV7007 should likely be coming out soon, at least based upon the release of the SR-7007. If we are to assume that the AV-7007 would be highly similar to the SR-7007, what features aside from 4K pass through would the 7005 be lacking? smile.gif The unit would be replacing a Denon 2809 and eventually paired with the MM-7055 amp.
post #8610 of 9615
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Originally Posted by Scottyb09 View Post

Question: I have the ability to purchase the AV7005 from a friend at a fantastic price (less than one year old, very well taken care of). I'm aware that the AV7007 should likely be coming out soon, at least based upon the release of the SR-7007. If we are to assume that the AV-7007 would be highly similar to the SR-7007, what features aside from 4K pass through would the 7005 be lacking? smile.gif The unit would be replacing a Denon 2809 and eventually paired with the MM-7055 amp.

I have a AV7005 and have ZERO interest in upgrading. The AV7007 has improved network support and 4k support. I believe that's about it.
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