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post #8731 of 9615
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Originally Posted by avman09 View Post

I know this is a stupid question but I still want to ask. Nothing shown in the recently posted change log seems to affect what I use the AVR for so would I be better off not to update the FW?

If it ain't broke...
post #8732 of 9615
a sad story:

so it seems that Crutchfield has some quirks. UPS tried to deliver my av7005 and left a slip saying that they needed a signature at time of delivery. I realized that there would be no one home tomorrow as well, we work for a living. Cruchfield reports they only require a signature confirmation (note n the door). I looked at the UPS website and found that there was a $5 charge for changing delivery options. I called Crutchfield and they said that they could only have the item sent to a hub which is quite a ways from my house even though there is a UPS store less than a mile from my house. In disgust, I cancelled the transaction and told them to keep the damn thing.

Now buyers remorse kicks in. I can certainly order another, I will be home all week in three weeks and can accept delivery but I keep thinking about the 7701 and its ability to process 4K. Also, the XT32 is reportedly much better than the Audessey on the 7005 but with my ragtag collection of speakers and amps it may not make that much difference.

My screen is a Syntax Olevia 37" (720p) and certainly needs to be replaced but we have other obligations and it will not happen till next spring at the earliest so if I wait a year (6 months further), second generation 4K will be out and I might be able to afford one by then. Decisions! Decisions!
post #8733 of 9615
^^^

worrying about 4k is rather pointless...
post #8734 of 9615
^^^ Agreed. Can anyone even see the difference between 720p and 1080p? I can't even see it on my 103" projector screen.
post #8735 of 9615
I can see the difference sitting 8 feet from my 50" screen.
post #8736 of 9615
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Originally Posted by exm View Post

^^^ Agreed. Can anyone even see the difference between 720p and 1080p? I can't even see it on my 103" projector screen.

I've always thought this was over emphasized. I have a projector too and I usually don't know what Hi-def resolution I'm watching without checking. People worrying that they only have 720p on their laptop, small screen, etc. make me scratch my head.
post #8737 of 9615
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Originally Posted by Gary Hudson View Post

I've always thought this was over emphasized. I have a projector too and I usually don't know what Hi-def resolution I'm watching without checking. People worrying that they only have 720p on their laptop, small screen, etc. make me scratch my head.

Exactly. So this whole 4k sounds great but is pointless.

My aunt-in-law, who is in her 70s, wants to buy a new 50" flatscreen to watch cable. The people in Best Buy tried to sell her an expensive $1,500 1080p LED model. She ended up after talking to me with a $550 720p plasma.
post #8738 of 9615
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Originally Posted by soulcamp View Post

I didn't have a chance to call Marantz this week (dealing with getting a replacement projector from Epson instead). But I thought that maybe the Oct. 30 firmware update might fix the endless updating loop I was stuck in, so I gave it another shot. I was wrong. It is again stuck in the loop where it says "Ether SBL xXXmin - Updating", then resets itself, and starts again. After several attempts, it finally reaches the point where it says "Ether SBL 07min - Updating fail B4". Must unplug power to reset.
I did notice that before it reached this state, it processed a couple of other updates include a ROM update. But when it reaches Ether SBL, it dies.
Other than resetting the processor again and losing all my settings (and of course the update itself), does anyone else have any suggestions?
Can't say my new $1200 Marantz is blowing my skirt up right now...

Finally got ahold of Marantz customer support. The guy knew exactly what was wrong - he told me that the firmware on the networking chip had been corrupted. He gave the procedure to reset the network card (pure direct + up arrow + power) and said if that didn't fix it, the unit would need to be replaced. It didn't fix it. Filling out the RMA form on Amazon now...
post #8739 of 9615
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Originally Posted by tedcousens View Post

My screen is a Syntax Olevia 37" (720p) and certainly needs to be replaced but we have other obligations and it will not happen till next spring at the earliest so if I wait a year (6 months further), second generation 4K will be out and I might be able to afford one by then. Decisions! Decisions!

Personally, I'd upgrade your display 1st. 720p (768p) or 1080p isn't the issue here. I looked at some of those displays a while back, and their blacks/contrast aren't that great, and the colors aren't accurate either.

And as far as a 4k display goes, what are you going to use for a source? smile.gif At the moment, there isn't a source that has that high a resolution. IMO, 4k is a marketing gimmick.
post #8740 of 9615
Some people are sensitive to the "screen door" effect which can be seen with some projectors and large screens. A 4K projector, if you can afford it, should eliminate that problem. Players, receivers and pre/pros which upscale to 4K or pass it through are readily available. I don't know of any reviews which investigate which devices provide the best upscaling, though.
post #8741 of 9615
^^^

selden, the only comparison i saw was on a review of the vpl1000, and the reviewer indicated the 4k processing in the pj was better than that of the onkyo he was using... other than that, i haven't seen much, although i'd imagine there is some commentary in the vpl1000 thread...

for the op... 4k enabled avrs will only become "important" when 4k sources are available... until then, they are completely pointless for people to worry about...
post #8742 of 9615
Thanks Kevin but buying a new screen means buying a tv stand as well so if I get a 55 or larger Panny or Samsung, that plus a stand will put me out almost $3K which I cnanot spend right now. I CAN afford a new processor since I just bought a blu-ray player so that is the way I will go. I am just wondering if prices on the 7005 will go down any more now that supplies are starting to dwindle.
post #8743 of 9615
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

for the op... 4k enabled avrs will only become "important" when 4k sources are available... until then, they are completely pointless for people to worry about...

well, they will become relevant eventually and we need to consider that it takes several pieces of equipment to accomodate the format. If I get one piece now, then I am partially future proofed.
post #8744 of 9615
^^^

heh... trust me on this one... there is no such thing as future proofed, even partially...

and to be completely honest about the relevancy of 4k, it'll never be relevant on a "small screen" (less than 100"), viewed from a relatively close distance*...

buy what you need today.... worry about tomorrow when it comes....

* unless you are a gamer with your nose up against a computer monitor....
post #8745 of 9615
I found an authorized dealer in Wisconsin that will sell me the newer 7701 for $1199 after I trade in my av550 which is worth 50 but he is giving me a 150 credit (to get down to 1199). I will pay $25 to ship my old unit to Wisconsin. Awesome!

Do business with Hi Fi heaven- they are offering the av7005 for 1149 and you can haggle. Talk to Jim.
post #8746 of 9615
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Some people are sensitive to the "screen door" effect which can be seen with some projectors and large screens. A 4K projector, if you can afford it, should eliminate that problem.
Actually, if you sit close enough you can see it with them too.smile.gif

If you really want to eliminate SDE, consider getting a Panasonic pj. They have a fantastic technology that they advertise extremely poorly and inaccurately I might add, but boy does it work. "Smooth screen" they call it. You can walk right up to the screen and unless you are like a foot away, you just don't see pixels. I'm on my 4th incarnation of it and I doubt I'll ever abandon the technology which is proprietary to them.

The problem isn't the number of pixels, 1080x1920 is fine for our current sources, the problem is fill factor [the ratio of the pixel area size to the black grid lines which surround each one]. This is a bit off topic but if you'd like a better technical explanation of what it, Smooth Screen does, I can link you to a post I wrote about it which trumps any explanation ever given by Panasonic themselves.
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Chris is right, 4K is pretty much worthless until the 4K, erm, I mean "Ultra HD" sources arrive, at least with most material.
post #8747 of 9615
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Originally Posted by soulcamp View Post

Finally got ahold of Marantz customer support. The guy knew exactly what was wrong - he told me that the firmware on the networking chip had been corrupted. He gave the procedure to reset the network card (pure direct + up arrow + power) and said if that didn't fix it, the unit would need to be replaced. It didn't fix it. Filling out the RMA form on Amazon now...

Ordered my replacement from Amazon (Kraft Street Audio) yesterday and it should arrive on Monday. It wound up being $50 more than I had originally paid for it, but the guys at Kraft Street Audio said they would credit me the difference. Here's hoping the next doesn't have any problems, as it really does sound amazing.
post #8748 of 9615
@mz...

i gotta see one of those pannys someday...

post up the link... i think it would be educational to many... smile.gif
post #8749 of 9615
^O.K. Here's what smoothscreen [SS] looks like using one and two pixel wide white lines, photographed just inches away from the projection screen [which is nearly impossible to do without some camera shadow]:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1350410/panasonic-ptae7000-at5000/360#post_20799641

Here's my technical explanation of how they acheive this:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1350410/panasonic-ptae7000-at5000/360#post_20804143

Here's Panasonic's dumbed down explanation with very misleading image graphics [they don't show it happening at the pixel level]:
http://www.panasonic.com/business/projectors/learning_center/lc_ss.asp
Edited by m. zillch - 11/11/12 at 8:52am
post #8750 of 9615
^^^

thanks mz... i'll check 'em out...
post #8751 of 9615
Here is a serious upgrade to your receivers http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/reference-series/products/xpr5

Then play this and you will see what I mean smile.gif Iron Maiden "Blood On The Worlds Hands"
post #8752 of 9615
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Here is a serious upgrade to your receivers http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/reference-series/products/xpr5
Then play this and you will see what I mean smile.gif Iron Maiden "Blood On The Worlds Hands"
wow, 400W per/chan, not bad for the price
post #8753 of 9615
Quote:
Originally Posted by wse View Post

Here is a serious upgrade to your receivers http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/reference-series/products/xpr5
Then play this and you will see what I mean smile.gif Iron Maiden "Blood On The Worlds Hands"

I rather have my amp smile.gif
post #8754 of 9615
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Originally Posted by soulcamp View Post

Ordered my replacement from Amazon (Kraft Street Audio) yesterday and it should arrive on Monday. It wound up being $50 more than I had originally paid for it, but the guys at Kraft Street Audio said they would credit me the difference. Here's hoping the next doesn't have any problems, as it really does sound amazing.

Received my new AV7005 today and the update went through without a hitch.
post #8755 of 9615
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Originally Posted by exm View Post

I rather have my amp smile.gif
yes, I use an A51 as well, love it!

I'm amazed, the AV7005 seems to have received a lot of play on this site, and in many reveiws/articles. Many folks still very interested in this pre-pro unit. Very popular
post #8756 of 9615
I'm late to this thread, but if you're still interested in the 7005, I'd check BestBuy clearance. I picked one up for under $900-- with cash back, it's closer to $850. (You can scan clearance in all stores online, though inventory is not always up to date).

I also picked up Aperion's Verus Forte fronts and center to go with the receiver and existing sub and rears.

I did the Audessey set up, but still need to do some tweaking. I noticed that it set my fronts as small. I changed this to large and left crossover set for 60. For movies, it seems that the rear surrounds are at too high a level and center (dialog) is too low. What is the recommended method to correct this? (FWIW- I have a PS3 for cds and blu-ray)
post #8757 of 9615
The Verus Forte speakers don't go down low enough to be designated as LARGE, although regardless, even if they were, you would reset them to SMALL as the sub is much more capable of handling the lower level bass. So reset them back to SMALL. Also review the Audyssey 101/FAQ guide linked in my sig as that answers all questions related to Audyssey setup.
post #8758 of 9615
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Originally Posted by TheGloucesterman View Post

I did the Audessey set up, but still need to do some tweaking. I noticed that it set my fronts as small. I changed this to large and left crossover set for 60. For movies, it seems that the rear surrounds are at too high a level and center (dialog) is too low. What is the recommended method to correct this? (FWIW- I have a PS3 for cds and blu-ray)
yes, I would set fronts, center, and rears to SMALL. Let your sub handle bass. Are you using a sub?
post #8759 of 9615
Got a new Av7005 from Outlaw. Hooked er all up, using HDMi for source components, XLR cables to my Outlaw Amp, and a HDMI cable to my Panasonic plasma.

Ran Audessey, it all worked great.

At the end of Audessey it said to remove the mic from the unit. As I was about to remove it, or when I removed it. a somewhat loud buzz started coming from all speakers, except the subwoofer.

After spending 60-90 minutes on the phone with Outlaw (awesome customer service) and doing a LOT of troubleshooting, it seems that if nothing is connected to the 7005 except the XLR cables going to the amp, and then the speaker wires from the amp to the speakers, there is no buzz at the speakers. I turn the 7005 off and connect a HDMI cable to the 7005 (makes no difference if its a rear panel input or either of the two outputs) and there is a very slight buzz. I turn off the 7005 and make another HDMI connection (so now there 2 HDMI cables connected to the rear panel of the 7005) and the buzz is a little louder. I repeat and make a 3rd HDMI connection and the buzz is quite noticeable.

Outlaw had me try a soft reset, and when that did not work, a hard reset. That did not work either. Earlier today I recieved the process to reset the HDMi board. I will be doing that tomorrow.

In the meantime, I am looking for additional support here.....

PS I had an Onkyo PR-SC886 prior to this and everything worked fine.
post #8760 of 9615
cp,

Are the pre/pro, amp, TV and all of the input devices plugged into the same power strip?
Making sure they are is one way to avoid noise caused by the different devices being at a different ground potential.

Another possibility is that your cable TV service is improperly grounded.

Unfortunately, I would have expected grounding problems to have caused problems with your Onkyo, too, so there might be something broken in the new pre/pro. frown.gif
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