or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Receivers, Amps, and Processors › Marantz AV7005
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Marantz AV7005 - Page 298

post #8911 of 9615
Quote:
Originally Posted by MRMOTA View Post

Was wondering what a new FW update was for that flashed on the receiver today...
http://us.marantz.com/us/News/Pages/NewsDetails.aspx?NewsID=77
Oh my all the new toys. AV8801, AV7701 and the MM8077.
However I only got my AV7005 and the MM7055 back in April so newer is cool, but I think I'm holding for now.

I believe the Pandora fix?
post #8912 of 9615
Look for the price of this processor to drop again sometime after New Year's Day. At least, that is what I am hoping. I am already seeing some really good deals on used ones.
post #8913 of 9615
Help me out here comrades. I need this thing to work. To be honest, I'm having my Dad's memorial here tomorrow and was hopeful to stream a slideshow.

I have the feeling though, there is no answer other than "it broke".
post #8914 of 9615
Quote:
Originally Posted by NoFlyZone View Post

My AV7005 no longer maintains a handshake through its HDMI outputs. Sucks. I get the audio portion no problem, but it will not pass the video signal.
When this first occurrence happened, I unplugged everything performed a factory reset plugged everything back in and - it still didn't work. Then the next day after futzing around with it started working again. I cleaned everything, every connection and reinstalled. It worked for 2 days. Now it has lost its video again. mad.gif
Any suggestions?

Possibilities:

Inadequately thick HDMI cords on occasion will pass the signal one day, but then not the next. Rebooting devices in the chain will resuscitate the hookup, but only temporarily. Try a shorter cord to the TV or a thicker AWG number HDMI cord (or an in-line HDMI booster amp).

You have the video image going to HDMI out #2, instead of #1.

You have accidentally assigned the image from an analog in, or from a differing input.

You have selected the wrong input on the TV.

You have switched to a TV which is not HDCP compliant.

You have an alternate TV or monitor on one of the HDMI outs which forces a resolution that the other one can't deal with or isn't expecting in. [The AV7005 is not friendly to using two HDMI monitors, I find]

Try using an alernate input on the AV7005 , and then the TV, to see if the jack is bad.

Try HDMI out #2 in case jack #1 is bad.

Abandon HDMI and switch to analog connections as a temporary fix.

It broke.frown.gif
post #8915 of 9615
Sound Issues DirecTV HR24-500 and Marantz AV7005! I have spent days on forums and on the phone with DirecTV about this issue. I know it is a known issue...my question is will a fix ever be updated and put in place!? I have HR24 hooked up to Marantz AVR 7005 thru HDMI and then output direct to TV via HDMI. I'm having the dreaded "no sound on almost 50% of my channels". Some are complete loss of sound and others only cut out during commercials or some only play commercials. Seems to be no consistency. Had DirecTV tech out 5 weeks ago and he replaced splitter an things cleared up for awhile but now the ghost in the machine is back. Software updated on the HR24 was 12/5...this have anything to do with it? I also noticed that if I switch Dolby Dig off on the box it only sometimes brings up the audio for a dropped channel. Another thing...If I record a show on the DVR and then play it back on my other rooms system (also surround) it plays DD audio just fine on all channels including the recordings from DVR. Is this a software, compression, sound card or some other issue and is DirecTV ever going to fix this? Is this a know problem with AV7005? Of course Marantz gave me the cold shoulder and said it was a DirecTV issue.Thanks
post #8916 of 9615
That's because it IS a DirecTV issue. wink.gif Sat/cable boxes often have HDMI handshake issues with all brands of AVRs which can also present with a new firmware update to the sat/cable box when none existed previously. The work around is to connect the DirecTV HDMI to the TV with optical from the DirecTV to the 7005 for surround audio. Many installers make this configuration as it guarantees no potentional issues either immediately after installation or down the road after a firmware update is installed to the box.
post #8917 of 9615
Quote:
The work around is to connect the DirecTV HDMI to the TV with optical from the DirecTV to the 7005 for surround audio.
Anything lost in audio quality with this configuration, i.e., compared to HDMI?
I own an Outlaw 990 and set up my DVR this way because of lack of HDMI (990 only has DVI)...
On a side note, I am thinking about upgrading to an AV7005...I am using an Outlaw 7500 amp....have heard of issues with ground loop/hum, etc....anybody have that issue with a similar amp (in fact, any Outlaw version)?
post #8918 of 9615
Someone gave me a pair of Opera Callas Gold speakers. They said the speakers need a good amp for power. I would like to use a Marantz receiver. Can I?
post #8919 of 9615
^ Yes, however the Marantz AV7005 is a preamp with a built-in processor (and radio "tuner"), sometimes called a "pre-pro". It has no watts and needs to be paired with a power amplifier, usually just called an "amp".

The Marantz SR7005 is nearly identical in features and quality to the AV7005, however it includes a power amp built-in, so it is a receiver. It should work well for you.

WARNING: Many discerning "audiophiles", including many but not all major A/V magazines and retailers, will pooh-pooh the concept of a receiver being just as good as separates, usually playing the snobby "Well you wouldn't know because your gear (and/or ears) aren't adequately refined" card against my claim otherwise*, however they have zero evidence to back their claim in a scientifically controlled environment which precludes expectation bias, or "placebo effect" as it is generally referred to. All they have is anecdotal evidence and reviews from sources which do sighted, not blind (nor double-blind) testing, so they are completley void of any scientific value, because such "testing" doesn't ensure there's no expectation bias going on, and boy can we expect a lot of expectation bias going on in this industry! [Generally more expensive things "sound better".rolleyes.gif Go figure.]

It is also critical to volume level match the two DUTs (devices under test) in proper double blind testing, using precise, external instrumentation, to at least .2 dB if not .1 dB accuracy, which is very difficult for most consumers to do since most gear these days has volume knobs with .5 dB increments. You can't just put the volume knob of two devices to the same setting and assume they are playing at "exactly the same level"; they vary. Studies have shown that humans notoriously misconstrue very small level changes, on the order of .5 dB or even less, as quality differences, not quantity differences, even when they know this is a common error that people are susceptible too!. eek.gif

People who claim they are immune to these issues I have just mentioned, or that they can "hear beyond that problem", are just fooling themselves (or are liars). This shouldn't be surprising though because the majority of the propaganda thrown at them from the audio industry, including many magazines, shuns even talking about these issues and avoids discussing them at all cost. It is not in the interest of the high-end advertisers they cater to.

Enjoy your speakers. I would recommend placing them at a height such that the center point between the two tweeters, they have each, is at ear level. This will minimize comb filter effects and lobing from having them at different distances to the listener, at least regarding their direct (not reflected off room surfaces) sound path.

*Generally with modern day electronics, two units with low noise, low distortion, a wide flat frequency response, and kept within their operational limits (no clipping allowed, which weak units may have trouble with if you play music loudly) will sound pretty much the same. In the case of receivers, room calibration circuits will vary and even one microphone test run to the next will vary, ON THE SAME UNIT, so you have to be sure to eliminate such variables when comparing them. I rarely see that done in these forums, so beware.
Edited by m. zillch - 12/22/12 at 11:04pm
post #8920 of 9615
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmacari View Post

Anything lost in audio quality with this configuration, i.e., compared to HDMI?
None. Both carry 5.1 Dolby Digital and 2.0 PCM equally well.
post #8921 of 9615
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

That's because it IS a DirecTV issue. wink.gif Sat/cable boxes often have HDMI handshake issues with all brands of AVRs which can also present with a new firmware update to the sat/cable box when none existed previously. The work around is to connect the DirecTV HDMI to the TV with optical from the DirecTV to the 7005 for surround audio. Many installers make this configuration as it guarantees no potentional issues either immediately after installation or down the road after a firmware update is installed to the box.

Thanks jdsmoothie. You serious though? Is this really the only "work around" to clear up this audio malfunction? Just seems so crazy. Do you think a FW upgrade on the Marantz would help? (marantz has said no). Will directv ever have a solution in either software or firmware to take care of this situation or as you mentioned it could be ok until the next upgrade on the box down the road?

2 other questions...if I do hook up with optical is it an inferior audio connection vs the HDMI currently? Will it process the same?

I have another setup with a directv H24-200 (non dvr box) with HDMI for sound/audio connected to a Yamaha Aventage RX-A1010 and no problems at all on any channels and no issues with recordings off the dvr (the same program won't play sound on the dvr/marantz setup). So strange. Is this a problem unique to the DVR box? is there a better dvr box that does not cause these issues?

Thanks much
post #8922 of 9615
Also...someone suggested doing this in the Marantz " Secondly go into the Marantz setup and make sure you have the input set for Dolby plus PLiix (ProLogic)."
If you think this will work...can someone tell me how to change the HDMI input? I did not set my Marantz up.
Thanks.
post #8923 of 9615
Another work around is to use component video instead of HDMI to the AV7005. The "superiority" of image and sound using HDMI, from your sat box, is more theoretical than practical in most instances. Also be aware that if set to do so, the AV7005 will automatically transcode, and optionally upscale, incoming component video to its HDMI out, so there's no need to switch inputs on your TV when doing so (unlike the other work around suggested) making this scenario seamless in operation.

In fact, HDMI is soooo problematic with many other units besides just your sat box [Chorus:"How problematic is it?"], that many if not the majority of professional installers completely shun it, and use component video wiring instead.eek.gif [They never mentioned that in the sales brochures, now did they? wink.gif ]
Edited by m. zillch - 12/23/12 at 10:11am
post #8924 of 9615
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirtv2012 View Post

Thanks jdsmoothie. You serious though? Is this really the only "work around" to clear up this audio malfunction? Just seems so crazy. Do you think a FW upgrade on the Marantz would help? (marantz has said no). Will directv ever have a solution in either software or firmware to take care of this situation or as you mentioned it could be ok until the next upgrade on the box down the road?
2 other questions...if I do hook up with optical is it an inferior audio connection vs the HDMI currently? Will it process the same?
I have another setup with a directv H24-200 (non dvr box) with HDMI for sound/audio connected to a Yamaha Aventage RX-A1010 and no problems at all on any channels and no issues with recordings off the dvr (the same program won't play sound on the dvr/marantz setup). So strange. Is this a problem unique to the DVR box? is there a better dvr box that does not cause these issues?
Thanks much

1. Two work arounds ... (a) HDMI to the TV w/optical to the 7005 allows for watching TV without having to power on the 7005 (just as the HDMI Standby passthrough feature works with HDMI sources connected to the 7005), and (b) component/optical to the 7005 allows for no configuration change required on the TV, but you lose the ability to watch TV without having to power on the 7005.
2. As this is a DirecTV issue, there's no reason for Marantz to issue a firmware update.
3. Any firmware update to the DirecTV box is capable of causing an HDMI handshake issue which is why one of the work arounds listed in #1 is your best solution.
4. As Roger already answered a few posts up .. there's no difference in audio quality using optical or HDMI as the best a cable/sat box can pass is only DD 5.1.
5. HDMI handshake issues can be unique to specific models within a brand of cable/sat boxes as well as the AVRs they are connected to (ie. using a different model DTV box may result in no issues at all, but there is no guarantee). Some find issues using one model and not another while others find issues with a particular brand and not another.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dirtv2012 View Post

Also...someone suggested doing this in the Marantz " Secondly go into the Marantz setup and make sure you have the input set for Dolby plus PLiix (ProLogic)."
If you think this will work...can someone tell me how to change the HDMI input? I did not set my Marantz up.
Thanks.

First note that the "x" in "DD PLIIx" is only available if you have a 7.1 setup, otherwise just "DD PLII - Cinema" is available with a 5.1 setup. The audio surround mode can be changed by pressing the SURR button on the remote and then selecting "DD PLIIx - Cinema". See p. 45 OM for more info. Although not sure how this relates to HDMI handshake problems.
Edited by jdsmoothie - 12/23/12 at 11:15am
post #8925 of 9615
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post


Although this has nothing to do with HDMI handshake issueFirst note that the "x" in "DD PLIIx" is only available if you have a 7.1 setup, otherwise just "DD PLII - Cinema" is available with a 5.1 setup. The audio surround mode can be changed by pressing the SURR button on the remote and then selecting "DD PLIIx - Cinema". See p. 45 OM for more info. Although not sure how this relates to HDMI handshake problems.

Turns out the only way to hear sound on a channel that is not producing sound when receiving DD is to change the surround to MULTI CHANNEL STEREO. All other surround modes do not produce sound. Any reason/s why this might work? Just so frustrating and bewildered.
thanks.
post #8926 of 9615
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

(b) component/optical to the 7005 allows for no configuration change required on the TV, but you lose the ability to watch TV without having to power on the 7005.
[emphasis mine]
Actually, if you connect using component as I suggest, as well as HDMI in to the AV7005 yet not use it ("in house", that is), I'm confident the pass through mode to the TV will still work. There is no AV7005 handshaking going on when it's in HDMI bypass mode (or whatever they call it on this unit, I forget). All that the TV sees is the sat box and all that the sat box sees is the TV. So this weird use of "TV by itself without the AV7005 being powered on" ( I don't personally ever use) would still continue to work. [assuming the problem is indeed a handshake problem as we suspect, and not some other issue]
post #8927 of 9615
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirtv2012 View Post

Turns out the only way to hear sound on a channel that is not producing sound when receiving DD is to change the surround to MULTI CHANNEL STEREO. All other surround modes do not produce sound. Any reason/s why this might work? Just so frustrating and bewildered.
thanks.

Ah so this is indeed a separate issue all together. Do you have a 7.1 setup? Are you able to at least select DD PLIIx?
post #8928 of 9615
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Ah so this is indeed a separate issue all together. Do you have a 7.1 setup? Are you able to at least select DD PLIIx?

No not a 7.1 setup. Ok...tested again...so so strange! here is what happens on my local NBC station when I try in normal DD...no sound. When I change the surround mode to DD PLIIx I now get only sound from the center channel. When I select MULTI CHANNEL STEREO I get sound from all speakers. What the h*ll is going on!? thanks again for the help!
post #8929 of 9615
and...btw...just noticed that when in DD I get sound on the commercials but only out of the center during regular broadcast show...again...my local NBC station.
post #8930 of 9615
Are you sure you only have HDMI connected and not also analog RCA jacks? If the AV7005 can't find a usable HDMI audio signal it will revert down to analog phono jacks and these allow for surround modes such as "Multi Ch Stereo". [There is a front panel indicator which shows if the incoming sound is from the analog jacks, BTW, even if they are silent or not plugged in: "ANA." it reads in a small box]
post #8931 of 9615
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirtv2012 View Post

and...btw...just noticed that when in DD I get sound on the commercials but only out of the center during regular broadcast show...again...my local NBC station.
You have accidentally selected speakers "B" yet you are connected to the "A" jacks.
post #8932 of 9615
Ok...so now after switching thru all surround modes and back to DD on NBC local...it now produces sound! IN DD! What the h*ll is going on? Commercials are now producing sound. The front panel on the Marantz reads (DOLBY DIGITAL - HDMI - AUTO - DIG.) No ANA.
post #8933 of 9615
My Odyssey with Audyssey wink.gif

Finally had some time to play (and set up) my new Marantz AV7005. smile.gif
After going through Outlaws’ Guide and user guide, did the Audyssey auto set up – twice.
Audyssey is stubbornly setting up my fronts (Dali Ikon 6) and centre (Dali Ikon Vokal 2) as full range large speakers and surrounds (Dali Ikon 2) as small but with crossover at 40Hz.
There is a mention in guide that you can tweak the settings, but the only way I found out is to do the set up manually (copy Audyssey curve to manual and than set up everything the way I want it). That is all great, but my problem is that Dynamic EQ works only with Audyssey, NOT with manual settings.
I really like Dynamic EQ for low level listening, movie watching (which is quite often as I live in the apartment).
So are there any tricks on how to actually change Audyssey settings? If manual is the only option is there a way to make Dynamic EQ work with it?

Marry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone.
biggrin.gif
post #8934 of 9615
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrkeeling View Post

My Odyssey with Audyssey wink.gif
Finally had some time to play (and set up) my new Marantz AV7005. smile.gif
After going through Outlaws’ Guide and user guide, did the Audyssey auto set up – twice.
Audyssey is stubbornly setting up my fronts (Dali Ikon 6) and centre (Dali Ikon Vokal 2) as full range large speakers and surrounds (Dali Ikon 2) as small but with crossover at 40Hz.
There is a mention in guide that you can tweak the settings, but the only way I found out is to do the set up manually (copy Audyssey curve to manual and than set up everything the way I want it). That is all great, but my problem is that Dynamic EQ works only with Audyssey, NOT with manual settings.
I really like Dynamic EQ for low level listening, movie watching (which is quite often as I live in the apartment).
So are there any tricks on how to actually change Audyssey settings? If manual is the only option is there a way to make Dynamic EQ work with it?
Marry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone.
biggrin.gif

Audyssey is just telling your AVR what the -3db point is as measured of your speakers in room. E.g., even with my small bookshelves, I have incredible room gain in the lower frequencies and it ends up setting them as full range with a 40Hz crossover.

All you need to do is go into the Speaker Configuration settings, and set them all to Small, then select the cross over you wish to use (e.g., 80hz or above). Just don't set a cross over lower than what Audyssey has provided. higher is fine.
post #8935 of 9615
A crossover higher than 80Hz may introduce frequencies that are "directional" , meaning they provide localization cues to our hearing system, and you don't want that unless you have two subs and each are mounted right underneath the L and R front speakers, and you are running them in stereo, which the AV7005 can't do.

Even 80Hz isn't ideal, under some laboratory conditions using special, isolated test tones frquencies as low as 40 Hz may even be localizable to some, however using most standard music/movie material, 80Hz is a good compromise for most of us. Not too high, not too low, but just right. This is why it is the THX standard.
post #8936 of 9615
Quote:
Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

A crossover higher than 80Hz may introduce frequencies that are "directional" , meaning they provide localization cues to our hearing system, and you don't want that unless you have two subs and each are mounted right underneath the L and R front speakers, and you are running them in stereo, which the AV7005 can't do.
Even 80Hz isn't ideal, under some laboratory conditions using special, isolated test tones frquencies as low as 40 Hz may even be localizable to some, however using most standard music/movie material, 80Hz is a good compromise for most of us. Not too high, not too low, but just right. This is why it is the THX standard.

Yeah, I just didn't bother looking into the speakers to see how capable they are. I run mine at 120Hz, but I have dual subs sitting right under each bookshelf. I don't run the subs in stereo though. I've run them as high as 150hz without noticing localization in any event.

One day I'll drop it back to 80Hz just to check it out, I'm just concerned about the speakers handling reference levels at that frequency, personally. Would probably be fine.
post #8937 of 9615
Quote:
Originally Posted by pbc View Post

Audyssey is just telling your AVR what the -3db point is as measured of your speakers in room. E.g., even with my small bookshelves, I have incredible room gain in the lower frequencies and it ends up setting them as full range with a 40Hz crossover.
All you need to do is go into the Speaker Configuration settings, and set them all to Small, then select the cross over you wish to use (e.g., 80hz or above). Just don't set a cross over lower than what Audyssey has provided. higher is fine.
Yes, but my problem is when I use Audyssey (so I can use Dynamic EQ) they (fronts and centre) are large – full range.
I can only set them as small in manual settings (and apply crossover), but then no Dynamic EQ.

I was hoping that there is a way to use MY (manual) speaker settings and Dynamic EQ at the same time. biggrin.gif
post #8938 of 9615
There is actually ... after running Audyssey .. you can manually change the speakers to SMALL and raise their crossovers without impacting the Audyssey filters (this is actually what Audyssey recommends in fact). Audyssey and Dyn EQ are still enabled after making these changes. smile.gif
post #8939 of 9615
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

There is actually ... after running Audyssey .. you can manually change the speakers to SMALL and raise their crossovers without impacting the Audyssey filters (this is actually what Audyssey recommends in fact). Audyssey and Dyn EQ are still enabled after making these changes. smile.gif
Are you saying that if I choose “Manual Setup” from the Menu and change speakers and crossover, that change is applied not only to “Manual” setting but to “Audyssey” (and “Audyssey Flat”) as well?confused.gif
post #8940 of 9615
I'm saying those changes are independent from the Audyssey filters. Note that it's not Audyssey that made those settings (LARGE/SMALL, distance, crossover, volume) in the first place, rather the 7005 made those settings based on the -3db point passed by Audyssey, so making any changes to them (eg. to SMALL/80Hz) has no impact on Audyssey.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Receivers, Amps, and Processors
AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Receivers, Amps, and Processors › Marantz AV7005