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post #9121 of 9615
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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

I've never heard the Cary piece you have, vanguardtm, however more importantly I am quite knowledgeable about how to interpret third party technical audio specs in terms of what is significant to human perception, and what is not. The Cary measures quite well and there is nothing out of the ordinary which I would worry would in any real-world situation alter the sound negatively, but then again the same goes for the Marantz. If you never engage the Audyssey circuit I doubt you'd hear much of a difference between the two at all,....

I agree Yamaha's "Concert hall" mode is rather silly and objectionable {I've owned it], but don't confuse Audyssey with that. "Concert Hall" engages echos and reverberations which the original artists and their recording engineers never intended you to hear; it is therefor a bastardization of the original artists' intent. Audyssey room correction, however, corrects for deficiencies with your room and speaker placement, which all of us have even with $10,000 speakers and highly modified rooms. Having a flat frequency response is something that the recording engineers were at least hoping you'll have, so in this way we are actually reproducing the music with a higher fidelity by using the circuit.[Not that I'm claiming it is "perfect", but you can easily turn it on or off at will]

{I personally don't use any of the extras of Audyssey such as "Dyn Eq" or "Dyn Vol." I leave all that extra stuff off.]

KevinKar:"The only major difference I can discern is when using Audyssey on CDs which I've mentioned before where it tends to add a slight out of phase component to the sound. That can only be due to the timings it's calculated since I don't hear it when it's off or when using the AVP9080. That has nothing to do with bias or level matching or anything other than Audyssey changing the speed at which one speaker's output reaches my ears."

Home Theater:"With the LSO’s bright canary-in-a-coal-mine string section, MCACC was brittle and smaller, whereas pure direct sounded more relaxed and larger. I preferred the latter."

Me: I now have a Pioneer sc-1222-k, which reviewers give good SQ ratings to. I have it connected to the same AVA FetValve amp as the Cary was. In 'Direct' mode for 2ch. listening, my Cary Cinema 6 pre/pro is clearly nicer IMHO. Using MCACC for two channel, the sound got more dull, with less air. I don't think any 'room correction' software can compensate for the equipment. Not that the Pioneer is bad, but there is a reason discerning listeners with the $$ go upmarket for 2ch. I can't wait until I get my AVA T8+ pre (TAS: "one of those rare products that genuinely transcends it's price....")!
Bias, advertizing ( I was in it for ~ 25 yrs), AB tests, training, whatever...some people hear differences, some don't. My wife went to "Music & Art" in NYC on a voice scholarship. Prior to her & for many yrs, I dated a Julliard piano student, who's sister was a Julliard violin student. My Bro-in-law is a pro musician (Bob Woodruff, pls look him up & buy a CD or 2!). This past week we went to a Brklyn Phil. Chamber Music concert in a small hall. I often hear differences between audio equipment.
YMMV, so enjoy the music!

Murf
Edited by vanguardtm - 2/11/13 at 7:28am
post #9122 of 9615
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Originally Posted by gferrell View Post

Does anyone know the differences between the AV7005 and AV7701 other than the 4k video? Marantz website won't let you compare the two.

The 7005 has an optical out , It's HD radio includes AM, It can convert PCM signals for sound on Zone 2 or 3 and Dolby Headphone. The 7701 doesn't have/do these things.
Those differences were important to me, so I went with the 7005 (and saved the money).

The sound of this unit is excellent, I've even "rediscovered" just how good plain old stereo can sound :-)
post #9123 of 9615
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Originally Posted by bvaneman View Post

Hey guys, I'm new to this thread as I just picked up an AV7005 over the weekend. After cabling everything up, I have a few questions. I apologize if they have previously been answered in this long thread.

1. I ran Audyssey twice and both times it seems like the bass is WAAY too high. My subwoofer IS the weak spot in my HT, but other than turning the sub down manually, I was surprised at how loud it set it to. My receiver this replaced (Onkyo TX-SR805) that I was using as a pre-amp with my two amps, typically turned the bass way too low, so I was surprised to have the complete opposite effect. The receiver like the AV7005 had the same Audyssey "version" if you will (MultEQ XT). Any thoughts as to why this happened. It's not the end world as I just turned the volume on my sub down (it's at about 1/2 gain).

Thanks in advance.
Brian

I had this problem too. If you search maybe 18-24 months ago, this was not uncommon. I had to crank my sub down about 5 dB to get it to the right level. This was confirmed with REW measurements.
post #9124 of 9615
Question regarding Remotes: I posted this on the SR7005 page, but there seems to be more activity here so my apologies on the re-post:



I've got my new SR7005 now, but have a question regarding remotes and remote apps. I bought a brand new (non refurbed) Harmony One when Radio Shack was selling them off. I have yet to open the box as I had everything pretty much under control using the Marantz remote with my recently retired SR7002. Also, I received an iPad for Christmas. My question is with all the i-options out there for remotes, do I even need to have a Harmony remote at all? Is annyone using i-remotes exclusively, and would you say they give 80, 90 or 100% effectiveness of either a Harmony , the included Marantz remote or any other universal? Which i- remote app is working best for any of you? Thanks.
post #9125 of 9615
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Originally Posted by bvaneman View Post

1. I ran Audyssey twice and both times it seems like the bass is WAAY too high. My subwoofer IS the weak spot in my HT, but other than turning the sub down manually, I was surprised at how loud it set it to. My receiver this replaced (Onkyo TX-SR805) that I was using as a pre-amp with my two amps, typically turned the bass way too low, so I was surprised to have the complete opposite effect. The receiver like the AV7005 had the same Audyssey "version" if you will (MultEQ XT). Any thoughts as to why this happened. It's not the end world as I just turned the volume on my sub down (it's at about 1/2 gain).

Thanks in advance.
Brian

Turn off the Dynamic EQ, which boosts the highs and lows as you move the volume down from reference (zero volume setting). You likely listen to movies at -10 or so, right? If so, then Dynamic EQ is "helping" you experience the sound as if you were listening at "reference". I did not enjoy this so mine is disabled.

Additionally, rather than mess with the gain on the sub, you might check the Audyssey volume results. I bet that it's boosting the sub by several Db while reducing the front left/right. My room is relatively small and my 11" Focal sub isn't too wimpy, yet Audyssey added a few dB. I scaled it back to zero.
post #9126 of 9615
^Also, I do have my room treated with 16" cylinder bass traps, yet I couldn't enjoy the dialogue on Inception without rattling the house (with Dyn Eq on).
post #9127 of 9615
Any ideas regarding the remote question? (post 9124). Thanks!
post #9128 of 9615
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Originally Posted by jh901 View Post

Turn off the Dynamic EQ, which boosts the highs and lows as you move the volume down from reference (zero volume setting). You likely listen to movies at -10 or so, right? If so, then Dynamic EQ is "helping" you experience the sound as if you were listening at "reference". I did not enjoy this so mine is disabled.

Additionally, rather than mess with the gain on the sub, you might check the Audyssey volume results. I bet that it's boosting the sub by several Db while reducing the front left/right. My room is relatively small and my 11" Focal sub isn't too wimpy, yet Audyssey added a few dB. I scaled it back to zero.

Thank you jh901, I'll give that a shot. Much appreciated!
post #9129 of 9615
Did anyone figure out whether or not the AV7005 uses its own DAC when using Airplay (essentially Bitstream) or am I getting PCM? Before I upgraded to the AV7005, I was using an Airport Express with Toslink (and the stupid Apple adapter that is required to use this). I had read that that configuration was supposed to give you bitstream, but never had any confirmation. Now that the AV7005 has this feature built-in, I am once again curious where the conversion is taking place. I would "assume" the Marantz is doing the work, but not sure.

Again, I did a quick search of the thread, but didn't find any results in terms of this, so I apologize if this has already been answered.

Thanks,
Brian
post #9130 of 9615
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Originally Posted by bvaneman View Post

Did anyone figure out whether or not the AV7005 uses its own DAC when using Airplay (essentially Bitstream) or am I getting PCM? Before I upgraded to the AV7005, I was using an Airport Express with Toslink (and the stupid Apple adapter that is required to use this). I had read that that configuration was supposed to give you bitstream, but never had any confirmation. Now that the AV7005 has this feature built-in, I am once again curious where the conversion is taking place. I would "assume" the Marantz is doing the work, but not sure.

Again, I did a quick search of the thread, but didn't find any results in terms of this, so I apologize if this has already been answered.

Thanks,
Brian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirPlay

According to the above source Airplay uses Apple lossless as its music data format, which nets out to be PCM.

There is of course no inherent problem with this. The hype about bitstream formats such as DSD is just that, hype.
post #9131 of 9615
when was the latest firmware update? I havent done an update in about 18 months. What am I missing?
post #9132 of 9615
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Originally Posted by bvaneman View Post

Hey guys, I'm new to this thread as I just picked up an AV7005 over the weekend. After cabling everything up, I have a few questions. I apologize if they have previously been answered in this long thread.

1. I ran Audyssey twice and both times it seems like the bass is WAAY too high. My subwoofer IS the weak spot in my HT, but other than turning the sub down manually, I was surprised at how loud it set it to. My receiver this replaced (Onkyo TX-SR805) that I was using as a pre-amp with my two amps, typically turned the bass way too low, so I was surprised to have the complete opposite effect. The receiver like the AV7005 had the same Audyssey "version" if you will (MultEQ XT). Any thoughts as to why this happened. It's not the end world as I just turned the volume on my sub down (it's at about 1/2 gain).


Thanks in advance.
Brian

In some cases it has to do with the gain of the amp and sensitivity of the speaker. Audyssey can only cut the trim level so much (-12dB, I think) and if that's not enough then the speaker remains too loud. You can easily check this after calibration by looking at the levels the system picked. If any of them are -12dB then you need to turn down the gain (if possible) on the amp to bring that number into the range where you know Audyssey has control over it. While not technically necessary if the cal is say -11dB to +11dB (so you know it's not maxed out and needing more/less), I adjust the gains of my amps to try to get the cal/trim levels about centered, say +/-3dB or so.
post #9133 of 9615
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Originally Posted by whoaru99 View Post

In some cases it has to do with the gain of the amp and sensitivity of the speaker. Audyssey can only cut the trim level so much (-12dB, I think) and if that's not enough then the speaker remains too loud. You can easily check this after calibration by looking at the levels the system picked. If any of them are -12dB then you need to turn down the gain (if possible) on the amp to bring that number into the range where you know Audyssey has control over it. While not technically necessary if the cal is say -11dB to +11dB (so you know it's not maxed out and needing more/less), I adjust the gains of my amps to try to get the cal/trim levels about centered, say +/-3dB or so.

Audyssey did have my sub at -12, so your explanation sounds spot on. Thank You!
post #9134 of 9615
It's silly that these units' visual indicator for "The signal is pegged off scale and therefore beyond proper control" is "-12 dB"!

edit to add: I assume this is true of all Audyssey XT designs, not just Marantz.
post #9135 of 9615
It seems to vary with different manufacturers. My understanding is that the Onkyo limit is -15.
post #9136 of 9615
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Originally Posted by NoPlasmaYet View Post

The 7005 has an optical out , It's HD radio includes AM, It can convert PCM signals for sound on Zone 2 or 3 and Dolby Headphone. The 7701 doesn't have/do these things.
Those differences were important to me, so I went with the 7005 (and saved the money).

The sound of this unit is excellent, I've even "rediscovered" just how good plain old stereo can sound :-)

Thanks for the reply, I would be using this for 90% music so your comments are very encouraging. I will be replacing an Onkyo 806 receiver.
post #9137 of 9615
We in this thread are a relatively well educated bunch, when it comes to these AVRs and prepros, but think about this:

What percentage of actual, typical, run-of-the-mill owners of the AV7005, or the SR7005, would both think to check, and act on, a reading of "-12dB"?

I'm thinking 1 to 2 %, maybe 5% at the most. Instead of providing a useful and attention getting blinking, red exclamation mark, or some similar warning, I'm thinking they've designed it as such to minimize the number of calls they get to their customer support centers.tongue.gif

Ignorance is bliss.
post #9138 of 9615
I would guess that if you don't frequent one of the hifi help sites, you wouldn't have the slightest idea that a level of -12dB indicates a problem. Certainly the receivers' manuals don't mention it. And that certainly would explain why many people think Audyssey isn't much good.
post #9139 of 9615
You'd think the cal routine would (or should) pop a warning message indicating the necessary trim level exceeds the adjustment range, but no. Doubt it's just a Marantz deal.
post #9140 of 9615
Quick easy question: Does the AV7005 (or its version of MultEq) allow the Audyssey EQ to be defeated on the front L/R? I have a simple 2.1 set-up and I thought that rather than turning off Audyssey that I'd A/B the Eq on the front L/R (which would presumably keep only the trims and delays).

Appreciated.
post #9141 of 9615
Ugh. Ok, I'm not at home to check, but I'm thinking that I ran MultEq without turning on "EQ Customize". Seems that "EQ Customize" must be turned on prior to running Audyssey if the user wants to be able to select "Audyssey Byp. L/R". Is my understanding correct?
post #9142 of 9615
I am having trouble with the pass through on my AV7005. I can get a picture but no sound from my TV.

I have the HDMI control set to on. I have the standby set to HDMI3 which is my Roku box which is the only item I would want to watch sometimes without my full system on.

Am I missing something or should I call Marantz Tech support

Thanks
post #9143 of 9615
You're leaving the 7005 turned off, yes?
post #9144 of 9615
Yes, I would like to keep the 7005 off (standby) and be able to watch and listen to my TV using the Roku
post #9145 of 9615
Jh901. you should never use "bypass L/R", there is no logical explanation why it even exists.
post #9146 of 9615
Is there a better way to hook this up.

I have a powered subwoofer and two monoblock amps and an av7005

I have the amps hooked up to the sub1 and sub2 preouts via RCA. Then I wired the amps to the Left and Right inputs on the subwoofer via speaker wire.
post #9147 of 9615
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Originally Posted by jh901 View Post

Quick easy question: Does the AV7005 (or its version of MultEq) allow the Audyssey EQ to be defeated on the front L/R? I have a simple 2.1 set-up and I thought that rather than turning off Audyssey that I'd A/B the Eq on the front L/R (which would presumably keep only the trims and delays).

Appreciated.

Yes, all D&M units with Audyssey offer this feature. See p. 74 OM




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Originally Posted by jh901 View Post

Ugh. Ok, I'm not at home to check, but I'm thinking that I ran MultEq without turning on "EQ Customize". Seems that "EQ Customize" must be turned on prior to running Audyssey if the user wants to be able to select "Audyssey Byp. L/R". Is my understanding correct?

No, All prior settings are ignored by Audyssey.
Edited by jdsmoothie - 2/18/13 at 6:14pm
post #9148 of 9615
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Originally Posted by justinbleu View Post

Is there a better way to hook this up.

I have a powered subwoofer and two monoblock amps and an av7005

I have the amps hooked up to the sub1 and sub2 preouts via RCA. Then I wired the amps to the Left and Right inputs on the subwoofer via speaker wire.

Exactly what model of subwoofer to you have?
If it has a line-level (RCA) input, use that.

A powered subwoofer has (and uses) its own internal amplifier, so connecting amps to its speaker binding-post inputs is a waste of electrical energy. Those inputs are intended so you can use the subwoofer in an audio system which has only a stereo amp, not with a multichannel audio/video system which provides a separate subwoofer signal.
post #9149 of 9615
Using speaker level inputs on a sub does not "rob available power" to one's main speakers in any significant or audible way, and is actually the preferred method according to some well respected, high end sub manufacturers.

I'm not saying I agree with them, mostly because of Audyssey's dedicated sub channel not getting engaged in this case, but I thought to point it out.
Edited by m. zillch - 2/19/13 at 11:02am
post #9150 of 9615
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Yes, all D&M units with Audyssey offer this feature. See p. 74 OM

It is, however, important to note out, to the OP, that it is not an Audysessy sanctioned feature, it is D&M (and some other brands) feature; more importantly, Audyssey has gone on record to say they think it should never be used and makes no logical sense . I agree with them.
Edited by m. zillch - 2/19/13 at 6:55pm
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