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The New York Times Tuesday, August 3,2010:

Some Directors Say 3-D Is One Dimension Too Many

Resistance Forms Against Hollywood’s 3-D Push
By MICHAEL CIEPLY
Published: August 2, 2010

LOS ANGELES — A joke making the rounds online involves a pair of red and green glasses and some blurry letters that say, “If you can’t make it good, make it 3-D.”

Kevin Winter/Getty Images
Joss Whedon, left, and J. J. Abrams have been been critical of 3-D moviemaking. The aim ‘is to be the only horror movie coming out that is not in 3-D. JOSS WHEDON The director of the coming film “The Cabin in the Woods.”
‘When you put the glasses on, everything gets dim. J. J. ABRAMS The director of “Star Trek,” which was a 2-D hit last year. The fans of flat film have a motto. But do they have a movement?

While Hollywood rushes dozens of 3-D movies to the screen — nearly 60 are planned in the next two years, including “Saw VII” and “Mars Needs Moms!” — a rebellion among some filmmakers and viewers has been complicating the industry’s jump into the third dimension.

It’s hard to measure the audience resistance — online complaints don’t mean much when crowds are paying the premium 3-D prices. But filmmakers are another matter, and their attitudes may tell whether Hollywood’s 3-D leap is about to hit a wall.

Several influential directors took surprisingly public potshots at the 3-D boom during the recent Comic-Con International pop culture convention in San Diego.

“When you put the glasses on, everything gets dim,” said J. J. Abrams, whose two-dimensional “Star Trek” earned $385 million at the worldwide box office for Paramount Pictures last year.

Joss Whedon, who was onstage with Mr. Abrams, said that as a viewer, “I’m totally into it. I love it.” But Mr. Whedon then said he flatly opposed a plan by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer to convert “The Cabin in the Woods,” a horror film he produced but that has not yet been released, into 3-D. “What we’re hoping to do,” Mr. Whedon said, “is to be the only horror movie coming out that is not in 3-D.”

A spokesman for MGM declined to discuss “The Cabin in the Woods.” But one person who was briefed on the situation — and spoke on the condition of anonymity because the studio was in the middle of a difficult financial restructuring — said conversion remained an option.

Meanwhile, a spokesman for Marvel Entertainment said that studio had not decided on two or three dimensions for “Avengers,” a superhero film Mr. Whedon is directing.

With the enormous 3-D success of “Avatar,” directed by James Cameron, followed in short order by “Alice in Wonderland,” by Tim Burton, film marketing and distribution executives have been clamoring for more digitally equipped theaters to keep 3-D movies from crowding one another off the screen.

By year’s end, there will be more than 5,000 digital screens in the United States, or 12.5 percent of the roughly 40,000 total, easing a traffic jam that has caused 3-D hits like “Clash of the Titans,” from Warner Brothers, to bump into “How to Train Your Dragon,” from DreamWorks Animation, to the disadvantage of both.

Tickets for 3-D films carry a $3 to $5 premium, and industry executives roughly estimate that 3-D pictures average an extra 20 percent at the box office. Home sales for 3-D hits like “Avatar” and “Monsters vs. Aliens” have been strong, showing they can more than hold their own when not in 3-D.

A 3-D movie can be somewhat more costly than a 2-D equivalent because it may require more elaborate cameras and shooting techniques or an additional process in the already lengthy postproduction period for effects-heavy films. But the added costs are a blip when weighed against higher ticket sales.

Behind the scenes, however, filmmakers have begun to resist production executives eager for 3-D sales. For reasons both aesthetic and practical, some directors often do not want to convert a film to 3-D or go to the trouble and expense of shooting with 3-D cameras, which are still relatively untested on big movies with complex stunts and locations.

Filmmakers like Mr. Whedon and Mr. Abrams argue that 3-D technology does little to enhance a cinematic story, while adding a lot of bother. “It hasn’t changed anything, except it’s going to make it harder to shoot,” Mr. Whedon said at Comic-Con.

In much the same spirit, Christopher Nolan recently warded off suggestions that his film “Inception,” from Warner — still No. 1 at the box office — might be converted to 3-D.

On the other hand, Michael Bay, who is shooting “Transformers 3,” appears to have agreed that his film will be at least partly in 3-D after insisting for months that the technology was not quite ready for his brand of action.

“We’ve always said it’s all about balance,” said Greg Foster, the president and chairman of Imax Filmed Entertainment, which has long counseled that some films are better in 2-D, even on giant Imax screens. “The world is catching up to that approach.”

A willingness to shoot in 3-D could persuade studio committees to approve an expensive film. But the disdain of some filmmakers for 3-D — at least in connection with their current projects — was on full display in San Diego.

Jon Favreau, speaking at Comic-Con about his coming “Cowboys & Aliens” for DreamWorks and Universal, said the idea of doing the movie in 3-D had come up, but he was not interested. Contemporary 3-D requires a digital camera, and “Westerns should only be shot on film,” Mr. Favreau said. He added: “Use the money you save to see it twice.”

Stacey Snider, the DreamWorks chief executive, said Mr. Favreau and the studios involved had mutually agreed that 3-D was not right for the film. But, she added, a discussion about 3-D was inevitable.

“It’s naïve to think we wouldn’t be having it on any movie that has effects, action or scale,” Ms. Snider said.

Earlier at Comic-Con, Edgar Wright, the director of “Scott Pilgrim vs. the World,” an action-filled comic-book extravaganza from Universal, similarly said that his film would arrive in two dimensions, at regular prices.

(People briefed on Universal’s approach to the film said 3-D had been considered very briefly. It was rejected, however, partly to avoid straining what promises to be a young audience with high ticket prices, partly because the already busy look of the movie might have become overwhelming in 3-D.)

The crowds cheered, as they had in an earlier Comic-Con briefing by Chris Pirrotta and other staff members of the fan site TheOneRing.net, who assured 300 listeners that a pair of planned “Hobbit” films will not be in 3-D, based on the site’s extensive reporting.

“Out of 450 people surveyed, 450 don’t want 3D for ‘The Hobbit,’ ” a later post on the Web site said.

But in Hollywood, an executive briefed on the matter — who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the delicate negotiations surrounding a plan to have Peter Jackson direct the “Hobbit” films — said the dimensional status of the movie remained unresolved.

Asked by phone recently whether die-hard fans would tolerate a 3-D Middle Earth, Mr. Pirrotta said, “I do believe so, as long as there was the standard version as well.”

In his own family, he said, the funny glasses can be a deal-breaker.

“My wife can’t stand 3-D.”

A version of this article appeared in print on August 3, 2010, on page A1 of the New York edition.

That's cool as everything doesn't have to be in 3D but are they haters also?
post #2 of 19
Gee . . . what a one sided article - and from the WSJ no less.

Maybe they should have contacted:

Ridley Scott
James Cameron
Steven Speilberg
Martin Scorsese
Tim Burton

All are making 3D movies. What? They weren't at Comic-Con . . . . .
post #3 of 19
Edit:
Never mind. Answered my own question....
post #4 of 19
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

Gee . . . what a one sided article - and from the WSJ no less.

Maybe they should have contacted:

Ridley Scott
James Cameron
Steven Speilberg
Martin Scorsese
Tim Burton

All are making 3D movies. What? They weren't at Comic-Con . . . . .

FYI, Favreau has said that he consulted and discussed the 3D issue on Cowboys and Aliens with Speilberg, and they both came to the conclusion that the movie should be shot on film.

This was from a Howard Stern/Favreau interview. There was a lot of talk about 3D in the interview, and it sounded like the studios are strong arming directors into shooting 3D movies. IMO the studios should stay out of it, but I guess they are the ones footing the bill...
post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

Gee . . . what a one sided article - and from the WSJ no less.....

It's from the New York Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/03/bu...dia/03-3d.html
post #6 of 19
I think it's fair that not every movie has to be in 3D. It's not fair to impose a referendum on 3D because a few haters (viewers and directors alike) have an irrational hatred of 3D. I like that Joss isn't making his decision on those terms.

Also, I believe, if 3D is being considered, 3D conversion isn't necessarily a good compromise.
post #7 of 19
What a stupid article. In the beginning they make it seem like the horror movie director is extremely against 3D by quoting that it aims to be the only 2D horror film. They don't mention until later on it's simply because he doesn't wish to do conversion (which I agree with).

It actually seems like most directors don't have a problem with 3D in general, it's more that they don't want conversion or simply can't shoot 3D with current rigs due to the type of movie they are creating and/or filming style.

I also don't know what they are saying when they state that Transformers 3 will be "at least partly in 3D". It's 100% 3D filmed with Pace/Fusion entirely.
post #8 of 19
Its a very one-sided article with lots of omissions and half-truths. For example, the bit about Nolan and Inception: I distinctly remember reading an interview with Nolan in which he said that there had been some test work done on 2D>3D conversion of a couple of scenes from the movie and even he was surprised at how good it looked. Accoridng to Nolan himself, in the end the reason they didn't go ahead with 3D was because of lack of time to do it right. Seems the days of fair and balanced journalism where each side has a chance to state their case are long gone.

The biggest stumbling block for 3D to date has predictably been that the studios, in their infinite greed, are content to churn out garbage movies or do quick and cheap 2D>3D conversions rather than spending the time and money to do the process correctly. Hopefully as more successful and respected filmmakers like Ridley Scott jump on board, things will improve. High profile movies like Transformers 3 and CG efforts from Pixar and Dreamworks (which the article also conveniently forgets to mention) will also go a long ways towards making sure 3D sticks around.
post #9 of 19
Analyst: 3D Going to the 'Cats & Dogs'

By Erik Gruenwedel

02 Aug 2010

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/3-d...ats-dogs-20192

Following the lackluster $12.2 million opening box office for family-friendly Cats & Dogs: The Revenge of Kitty Galore, including about 55% from 3D screens, the bloom appears to be waning for 3D.

The result also points to the likelihood consumers believe not all movies are worth paying a premium for a 3D experience, which could affect ongoing early rollout of 3DTVs, compatible Blu-ray Disc players and 3D movies.

Indeed, Richard Greenfield, analyst with BTIG Research in New York, found that in Boise, Idaho, a $4 difference between children's fares for Cats & Dogs ($11.25) and Ramona and Beezus in 2D ($7.25), and adult tickets for Cats & Dogs in 3D ($11.50) and Inception ($7.50).

Prices were no different in Los Angeles, where a child's ticket for Cats & Dogs in 3D cost $13.25 ($14 for adult), $9.25 for Ramona and $10 for Inception (adult).

A recent BTIG consumer survey found respondents were willing to absorb upwards of $2 per ticket premium for 3D screenings.

It is also fortuitous Warner Bros. chose not to release the complex, mind-bending thriller Inception from director Christopher Nolan in 3D and have some viewers experience vertigo instead of price shock.

"We find it hard to fathom that its costs 55% more for a child to see Cats and Dogs than Ramona and 50% more for a child to see Cats and Dogs than an adult to see Inception, simply because you need to wear 3D glasses to see Cats and Dogs," Greenfield wrote in post.

The analyst contends studios are force-feeding consumers 3D movies in an effort to generate higher margins from 3D tickets, and offset declining theatrical attendance due to ongoing recessionary pressures.

"We believe nearly 60% of moviegoers simply chose to see [Cats & Dogs] in 2D, [which is] not a good sign for 3D," Greenfield wrote.

Upcoming 3D theatrical releases include Step Up 3D (Disney) Aug. 6 and Piranha 3D (Weinstein/Dimension) Aug. 20.
post #10 of 19
And the 3-D debate rages on.
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by R Johnson View Post

Analyst: 3D Going to the 'Cats & Dogs'

By Erik Gruenwedel

02 Aug 2010

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/3-d...ats-dogs-20192

Following the lackluster $12.2 million opening box office for family-friendly Cats & Dogs: The Revenge of Kitty Galore, including about 55% from 3D screens, the bloom appears to be waning for 3D.

The result also points to the likelihood consumers believe not all movies are worth paying a premium for a 3D experience, which could affect ongoing early rollout of 3DTVs, compatible Blu-ray Disc players and 3D movies.

Indeed, Richard Greenfield, analyst with BTIG Research in New York, found that in Boise, Idaho, a $4 difference between children's fares for Cats & Dogs ($11.25) and Ramona and Beezus in 2D ($7.25), and adult tickets for Cats & Dogs in 3D ($11.50) and Inception ($7.50).

Prices were no different in Los Angeles, where a child's ticket for Cats & Dogs in 3D cost $13.25 ($14 for adult), $9.25 for Ramona and $10 for Inception (adult).

A recent BTIG consumer survey found respondents were willing to absorb upwards of $2 per ticket premium for 3D screenings.

It is also fortuitous Warner Bros. chose not to release the complex, mind-bending thriller Inception from director Christopher Nolan in 3D and have some viewers experience vertigo instead of price shock.

"We find it hard to fathom that its costs 55% more for a child to see Cats and Dogs than Ramona and 50% more for a child to see Cats and Dogs than an adult to see Inception, simply because you need to wear 3D glasses to see Cats and Dogs," Greenfield wrote in post.

The analyst contends studios are force-feeding consumers 3D movies in an effort to generate higher margins from 3D tickets, and offset declining theatrical attendance due to ongoing recessionary pressures.

"We believe nearly 60% of moviegoers simply chose to see [Cats & Dogs] in 2D, [which is] not a good sign for 3D," Greenfield wrote.

Upcoming 3D theatrical releases include Step Up 3D (Disney) Aug. 6 and Piranha 3D (Weinstein/Dimension) Aug. 20.

Please.

Cats and Dogs is a terrible movie. This isn't a marquee film. You'd get the same reaction from audiences if it were Marmaduke. You can't unsuck a movie by making it 3D.

Perhaps if the author of the article took a peek at the $827+ million (almost $400 million domestic) for Toy Story 3, maybe he'd see things differently.

The real deal is where people buying the tickets think the movie is worthy of 3D, not whether they think 3D is worthy of their money. People pay more if they think they're getting something more. They'll suck down a $4 cup up Starbucks, but they'll they'll think you're nuts if you try to charge that kind of coin for "Chock Full O' Nuts".

Now, if Transformers 3 bites it in 3D, then you have a problem.
post #12 of 19
Yeah, I don't hee how the disappointing box-office of a nothing movie that had hardly any advertising and was aimed at a demographic that probably shouldn't even be watching 3D spells the end. Its another case of someone with an ax to grind against the technology taking the most recent piece of negative news and running with it.

Sadly, low budget cheapies like Step Up and Piranha will only perpetuate this kind of thinking, even though movies like Avatar, Shrek, and most recently Toy Story 3 took in boatloads of cash.
post #13 of 19
Thread Starter 
Step Up is aimed at the teen and college crowd and Piranha could be a good summer pop corn movie if it has any merits. I wouldn't be surprised if either of those movies does well. I don't want to see Step-Up but will venture out to Piranha for the 3D.

Those articles do have hate written all over them. The whole theme at Comic Con seemed to be anti 3D. Why I don't know. And I wish that everyone would stop giving credit to AVATAR as the movie the shined the light on 3D. From what I observed 3D was prospering in the two years prior to it's release. That was when the bean counters took notice of a movie being released in 2D and also 3D that the 3D version took in the most money. Avatar was the frosting on the cake with second helpings & ice cream and a free coupon to use on the next visit but people were already flocking to see 3D.
post #14 of 19
Pushing Back Toward the Ditch

August 4th, 2010

Chris Chinnock, Senior Analyst and Editor for Insight Media

http://displaydaily.com/2010/08/04/p...ard-the-ditch/

I have been saying, to anyone who will listen, that the 3D craze we are experiencing now is just that -- a state of euphoria about 3D that will give way soon. What is up ahead is a ditch. If we can overcome the push back that will develop for 3D, we can jump over the ditch and take 3D to an established mainstream offering. The alternative is to fall into the ditch, where 3D will languish until its next resurrection.

Such a concept is not new and has been characterized as the "chasm" by other groups. Some technologies just never get past the initial early adopter phase and wallow in the chasm.

What can make 3D stumble? Lots of things like lack of 3D content, poor 3D content, equipment and component incompatibility issues, bad word of mouth and a hundred other little things. This creates push back, which can spiral out of control and kill a product or technology.

What prompted this column today was a story in The New York Times with the headline, "Resistance Forms Against Hollywood's 3-D Push." In the article, Michael Ceiply quotes a number of influential directors voicing their concerns about 3D movies, as well as consumers who may becoming less enthusiastic about paying higher ticket prices for 3D films -- especially if the 3D is not so great.

The gist of the comments from these directors is that not all content should be shot in 3D or converted from 2D. 3D should be considered where it adds value and complements a good story. It cannot be the reason for the film.

They are unhappy because of the studio's attitude toward 3D, which certainly seems to be more revenue based than artistically motivated. Some studio executives are pushing to convert 2D films and shoot new projects in 3D -- and the directors are pushing back -- which they should. This 3D craze must give way to a more reasoned approach to the use of 3D. It is not an afterthought in the content creation process, but an integral part. And, not all content should be shot in 3D.

There are plenty in Hollywood who subscribe to this latter point view, but certainly not all the decision makers -- especially when piles of cash are involved. Add in the potential for consumer push back on higher 3D ticket prices and we are looking at some bumps on the 3D road that could land us in the ditch. And there are more bumps coming.

In our forecast for the 3DTV market, we have tried to consider some of the forces that will drive 3D adoption. Currently, we are forecasting about 1M 3DTVs for the US/Canada region this year. This is quite conservative with other firms forecasting much higher numbers.

So when asked why, I explain how one of our analyses looked at the historical introductions of consumer electronics products over the last 20 years. We selected a highly successful product introduction to use as a model for our optimistic forecast. But if you look at the forecasted numbers from many other firms, these numbers are at or above our optimistic forecast. That means these forecasts are on a path to make 3DTV one of, if not the most successful consumer electronics product introduction ever.

We see several factors that will slow the penetration of 3DTVs. The most important is the availability of 3D content, which is in short supply. In addition, mediocre to bad 3D content will not help push the market forward -- only really good 3D will.

Secondly, we are asking consumers to watch TV in a whole new way -- wearing glasses. This may be fine for watching event-oriented content here in the US, but most of the world watches TV while multi-tasking, which is not conducive for wearing glasses.

Thirdly, today's stereoscopic 3D introduces human factors into TV watching. Not everyone has perfect stereovision and the effect of the 3D is different in everyone, including children. The impact of this on adoption and push back is unknown.

On the other side of the coin, there are some forces pushing for stronger adoption. This includes increasing faster technology adoption cycles and penetrations, as the success of the iPhone and now iPad exemplify. In addition, new 3DTVs are loaded with extra goodies like widgets, Internet connectivity, LED backlights, super thin profiles and state of the art 2D image quality. Any or all of these features can be reasons to buy a 3DTV -- even if the buyer doesn't want the 3D part. Thirdly, inclusion of 3D capabilities in many new models is not a huge cost item, so including it in an expanding product line will happen.

So, if you ignore the push back factors noted above, you might believe 3DTV is headed toward establishing the most successful product penetration curve. But we don't think so. Where do you stand on these arguments?
post #15 of 19
Ridley Scott Diving into 3D By Investing in 3D Tech Company

http://www.firstshowing.net/2010/05/...#ixzz0vhbP5Bef

Are You Ready for 3D “Monsterpocalypse” ? (Tim Burton’s Latest Film)

http://3dguy.tv/are-you-ready-for-3d...s-latest-film/

Welcome Aboard Martin Scorsese! Visionary Director Wants To See Dramas in S3D!

http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2010/0...-scorsese.html
post #16 of 19
Lenny Lipton weighs in:

(Lots of interesting material at his blog http://lennylipton.wordpress.com/ )

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The Decline of the Stereoscopic Cinema

By Lenny Lipton

http://lennylipton.wordpress.com/201...scopic-cinema/

My concern in these columns has been the stereoscopic cinema, and secondarily stereoscopic television. (By "television," I mean that device that sits in your home that plays Internet protocol TV, cable channels with video on demand, discs, and home movies and --oh yes! terrestrial broadcasting.) I'm looking at the August 4th Display Daily, which is sent to professionals in the display industry. It's published by Insight Media, and this latest column called "Pushing Back Toward the Ditch" was written by the boss of Insight Media, Chris Chinnock, a paragon of conventional wisdom. In the past month there has been a significant pushback in the press with regard to the stereoscopic medium, and I have to hand it to Chris for summarizing the current print media climate and for bringing me out of hibernation, since this is the first blog (gotta love a word that rhymes with smog and hog) I've written in a month.

What is happening in the press at this moment vis a vis 3-D movies is an excellent example of reasoning to a firmly held belief. Conventional minds have been waiting to pounce on 3-D movies and at last, here it is -- a good moment given a couple of so-so performing movies in the last few months. They were not good movies and lo and behold, color, sound, and widescreen didn't help them. Oddly there are no outraged critics rising up to ban color, sound, and widescreen.

Chris calls to mind "crossing the chasm," a well-known concept about the introduction of new technologies. The idea is that after the initial acceptance of a new technology by the early adapters there is going to be a chasm that the technology or product in fact, somehow has to cross to find the later adopters and full market acceptance. Chris is applying this idea to the entire stereoscopic display industry but it's usually applied to the efforts of a single pioneering company. This is an interesting point but with thousands of theaters installed with 3-D capability, scores of movies about to be released, and hundreds of millions being spent on the technology and promotion of 3-D TV, I'd say the bridge over the chasm has been all but crossed.

Chris also quotes the New York Times headline that read "Resistance Forms Against Hollywood's 3-D Push," and he cites a number of directors, including Chris Nolan and Joss Whedon who oppose the medium. These are some first-rate commercial directors, who according to the Times do not want to make their movies in 3-D, feeling that the studios are mostly concerned with making money and they don't want to use 3-D for aesthetic reasons; they just want to do it for profit. That should have been the subject of the New York Times headline: Studios Want to Profit from 3-D. If you had to rank faux revelations on a scale of 1 to 10 you'd have to give this one an 11 on the Spinal Tap Scale.

Shakespeare was a commercial playwright, and if his plays didn't make money he wouldn't have been able to send money back to Anne Hathaway in Stratford so she could buy her second best bed. Moreover, these directors, as good as they are, aren't Akira Kurosawa. Is this the group to assert that the studios are overly concerned with money? Can it be that they don't like 3-D because it will not allow them to fulfill their visions of collapsing cities, werewolf transformations, mutant zombies, vampire blood sucking, and exploding spaceships? (It was a different Chris Nolan I heard after a screening of Inception who was open minded about the use of 3-D.)

Next Chris Chinook talks about the fact that 3-D ticket prices are higher than 2D prices, and that has to be a disincentive for people to go to the movies. A possible incentive would be to pay people to go to the movies, but that hasn't come up in the discussion. The conventional mind is not questioning that people are willing to fork over the extra bucks to see an IMAX movie. Why isn't there a pushback, why isn't the press questioning IMAX ticket prices - a complaint that could be made for both 2D and 3-D IMAX? The press is focused on ticket prices for conventional 3-D movies and I think one reason for that is that much of 3-D projection in neighborhood cinemas is too dark. In my opinion Dolby, XpanD, and Master Image systems can only project decently bright images on smaller screens, say 35 feet or under. And very frequently exhibitors use the systems in auditoria that have screens that are too large for the product they have installed.

The only single projector system I know of that can produce decent brightness levels on just about any size screen is the RealD XL system. (I should tell you that I helped develop this product.) In terms of viewer comfort the RealD system (and MasterImage and IMAX), using lightweight single-use eyewear, are far more pleasant and appealing to use than klutzy Dolby or XpanD eyewear. If 3-D is projected well, and the eyewear are comfortable, then it is a premium experience and perhaps people won't balk at paying the extra money.

There have also been articles in the press lately talking about the decline in 3-D attendance. A short time ago it was not uncommon for a 3-D movie to produce a disproportionate share of revenue on a per-theater basis but of late that has not held up. One of the reasons that it's no longer true is that there are still not enough 3-D theaters. Several years ago there was only one 3-D movie in release at a time, and sometimes weeks or months between 3-D movies. Now there are two or three 3-D movies in release, so the effective total number of theaters at any moment may not be any greater, and there are theaters that have to pull shows that should be holding but are forced to leave before they've fulfilled their 3-D profit potential. And not to forget, not every 3-D movie is going to be a good movie.

Next Chris brings up the concept that all movies aren't going to profit from 3-D. This is another piece of conventional wisdom -- that 3-D is just not meant for all subjects. For whatever reason My Dinner with Andre is frequently cited: "Would you make a 3-D movie of My Dinner with Andre?" Let me ask those who raise the issue, why don't you ask the same question about color for My Dinner with Andre? My Dinner with Andre didn't need to be in color. Maybe Andre should have been shot silent and released with title cards.

While there is a business rationale there is no esthetic rationale for making virtually every movie in color (or scope or wide-screen for that matter). Cinematographers and directors know this, and they often use techniques to make their movies more or less monochromatic. But if the public expects color, and the movie business is a responsive business, it has to give them color.

Are the critics of 3-D movies conservatives, trying to uphold the status quo, or are they reactionaries, trying to return us to the prior state of flatitude? Perhaps they are afraid that there are compelling parallels between the present transition and that which occurred in the late twenties and early thirties with sound. The transition to sound profoundly changed the cinema from one of pantomime and reading title cards into a cinema that was more nearly like stage plays. The transition to 3-D will be far less disruptive. Actors won't lose their jobs because they don't look good in 3-D. I predict that Nick Cage's wigs will continue to distract in 3-D.

And speaking of Mr. Cage, I've just seen an ad for his soon-to-be-released Drive Angry 3-D, which read: "Shot in 3-D." This a marketing approach that is an attempt to make a distinction between a movie that was shot in 3-D (good) and one that was shot in 2D and converted (bad). That's because recent conversions have not been successful according to the public and the press. I have not seen either of the recent conversion jobs that were decried, Clash of the Titans and The Last Airbender. I was about to see Clash in 3-D with my boys, Noah and Jonah, 14 and 16, but when we got to the theater they wanted to see the 2D version. They had read the on-line complaints about Titans' conversion. "Dad, don't make us go see this." I said: "Boys, it's my business. I'd like to see what it looks like." But they prevailed because it was vacation, and sometimes the kids are right. I've heard so many complaints about these movies that I'll simply accept that the complaints have merit.

On the other hand, an excellent example of conversion was G-Force, which I thought was a fun and ridiculous movie. I happen to like guinea pigs, and I'm a sucker for furry little talking animals in 3-D. Who isn't? Just ask my dogs.
post #17 of 19
3D is fine for just about anything in my opinion (that makes use of it. comedies and dramas need not apply)... it just needs to be MADE in 3d. After Alice, I will never see another conversion ever.
Native 3d or go home.
post #18 of 19
what a ridiculous article (opening post).

Makes it sound like Whedon and JJ. Abrams are teaming up, then its just shown that Whedon doesn't want a 2D-3D conversion but loves properly done 3D.


why on earth Favreau is dismissing 3D because 'westerns need film' is just odd. Digital can be processed with the look of pretty much any film stock, so they should be able to shoot digital and make it look like technicolor if they want. And anyway, it wasn't a criticism of 3D, more that they chose film over digital which precludes making it in 3D.

about the only reasonable point in that entire article is Abrams saying 'everything goes dim', presumably as the requirements for 3D are a lot darker than standard 2D (something like 4 foot lamberts?). but even then, we went to see Toy Story 3 in 3D and it didn't look dim to us.



I'm guessing (I hope more educated readers will help here), that similar things happened with sound and/or colour. Initial resistance by some film makers due to their experience with the previous medium, then a transition into adopting it as a mainstream part of the production.
post #19 of 19
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Originally Posted by richard plumb View Post

what a ridiculous article (opening post).

Makes it sound like Whedon and JJ. Abrams are teaming up, then its just shown that Whedon doesn't want a 2D-3D conversion but loves properly done 3D.


why on earth Favreau is dismissing 3D because 'westerns need film' is just odd. Digital can be processed with the look of pretty much any film stock, so they should be able to shoot digital and make it look like technicolor if they want. And anyway, it wasn't a criticism of 3D, more that they chose film over digital which precludes making it in 3D.

about the only reasonable point in that entire article is Abrams saying 'everything goes dim', presumably as the requirements for 3D are a lot darker than standard 2D (something like 4 foot lamberts?). but even then, we went to see Toy Story 3 in 3D and it didn't look dim to us.



I'm guessing (I hope more educated readers will help here), that similar things happened with sound and/or colour. Initial resistance by some film makers due to their experience with the previous medium, then a transition into adopting it as a mainstream part of the production.

Even this point gets even dumber considering the RealD XL system is out and in-use. Sure some theaters (cheap Regal and AMC) won't upgrade soon, but it doesn't mean that the 3D filming itself has any problem with light. The lower light issue is only in the current presentation of the medium.
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