Originally Posted by mjf_uk
I see your point, but you bought it right at the very end of its life. Other manufacturers were 2 models ahead by that time. The Z7 was an amazing AVR in its day. But things have definitely moved on since then.
The Z7 was derived from the Z11, but actually had better video processing. The Z11 was released towards the end of 2007 and the Z7 around a year later. Now for some crazy reason, Yamaha have not replaced either model since. I don't know what they are playing at, but they have without a doubt lost a lot of customers by not offering newer models.
I seriously expected replacements this year, but I've been informed that it is not going to happen. Such a let down from the manufacturer that used to be the pinnacle of AV electronics.
I would have to respectfully disagree...and yes I know this is an Onkyo thread
The Z11 had a much better( robust) amp section than the Z7 and it was not made in Malaysia...as the Z7 was
IMO ..in 2008..Onkyo had some products(905, 906) that were hundreds less expensive ,that outperformed the Z7
I have personally run my Onkyo 875 against the Z7...with some Vienna Acoustics Haydn grands...that I know are 4ohm and not very efficient.
Onkyo 875 all day long against the Z7
The Z7 doesn't meet its published power rating with 5 channels driven...as the Onkyo does
At $2600 MSRP..The Yamaha doesn't meet the rating with 5 channels driven?
So I still say...it was a much overpriced unit...like by about $700
Again..IMO...the A3000 is a better unit in every way and its priced like the Z7 should have been. They are comparable models that are both built in Malaysia
The A3000 is no powerhouse either... and since Onkyo has now downgraded its receiver amps( per the bench testing of the 3008 and 5008 I have seen) ...there seems to be nothing out there, under $5K, that meets its published power ratings with at least 5 channels driven.
The Yamaha Z11 does...the Denon 5308 does...but they both have MSRPs of over $5K
By the way...I was( and am still ) ok with it for the 80% off retail that I paid for my Z7..
On another note, I connected a Denon 4310 and did the same test with those speakers.... it clipped and shut off
Completely out of its internal amplifiers league.
The I connected an old 64lb Pioneer Elite VSX47TX receiver I have...it was the king...with the Onkyo 875 coming in second