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post #151 of 2742
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Originally Posted by JackBarry View Post

I am interested in Purchasing the Onkyo PR-SC 5508. Does anyone have a good source other than Best Buy? Please PM me, I will appreciate your help.

Thanks

Jack

My BB did not carry them. Told me they were getting out of carrying Onkyo because they were too commercial...

Anyway, I think G&G Technologies and Summit Audio & Video are a couple decent places online. Or you can do as I did and e-mail the Onkyo Pro distribution for your area. They will let you know who the Onkyo Pro dealers are in your area.

At that point, contact the dealers and make an offer.
post #152 of 2742
Lou, thanks for the info, however I wasn't able to find a site for either of the dealers. Would you have a link or contact number?

Thanks again

Jack
post #153 of 2742
Can anyone advise if the 5508 fully supports two HDMI displays i.e automatically switching to the active display?

Thanks
post #154 of 2742
Anyone know if there are any significant differences between the SC5508 and the NR5008 other then the power amps and balanced connections? I just ordered a NR5008 but I am using external amps and wont need the amplification portion.

Also, I havent been able to find any deals on the SC5508, so for about $500 less I got the NR5008. Anyone have any good sources for the SC5008, please PM me.
post #155 of 2742
I would like to add a small (19” or less) LCD TV/Monitor to my setup so I don’t have to turn on the projector when I listen to just music (I need to navigate some menus on some DVD-Audio disks). I would like also to be able to see the OSD for the Preamp when making adjustment. Would it be best to use the HDMI Sub Out to feed the monitor and if so what would be the setting in the “Monitor Out” menu and what should I be looking for in a LCD monitor? The projector accepts a 1080p/24 signal from the HDMI Main Out; does the LCD monitor have to match that from the HDMI Sub Out? Or could I just use the composite video from zone 2?

Thanks
post #156 of 2742
Apologies for the cross-post ...

Anyone perform an Audyssey Pro calibration on their 5508?

I am very interested in hearing any comments regarding what gear you had before the 5508 (hopefully a predecessor model), how the 5508 compares to it sonically and ... most important ... what improvements did you hear with the Audyssey Pro calibration?

Thanks!

Jeff
post #157 of 2742
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Originally Posted by Jamie Hauser View Post

I would like to add a small (19 or less) LCD TV/Monitor to my setup so I don't have to turn on the projector when I listen to just music (I need to navigate some menus on some DVD-Audio disks). I would like also to be able to see the OSD for the Preamp when making adjustment. Would it be best to use the HDMI Sub Out to feed the monitor and if so what would be the setting in the Monitor Out menu and what should I be looking for in a LCD monitor? The projector accepts a 1080p/24 signal from the HDMI Main Out; does the LCD monitor have to match that from the HDMI Sub Out? Or could I just use the composite video from zone 2?

Thanks

I've done a little more digging and had it confirmed with Onkyo support that the resolution output is the same on both. If you have two displays with different resolutions, you have to pick the highest common resolution. In other words, if the best input for my projector is 1080p/24 but my monitor can only handle 1080i , I would have to set the output from the 5508 to 1080i for both to work. There is a work around for me though with the new Oppo 93 that has duel HDMI outputs. I can set it's output to 1080p/24 and send one feed directly to the projector and the other to the 5508 and have that down res. to 1080i and then sent to the monitor.
post #158 of 2742
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Apologies for the cross-post ...

Anyone perform an Audyssey Pro calibration on their 5508?

Even though Audyssey has said the 5508 is capable, it's pretty unlikely anyone has done it. Onkyo has not yet released the firmware for it, that will also be needed to enable the option of Audyssey Pro.


The most recent new firmware release for the 5508 was dated 11/10/2010, with no mention of Audyssey Pro.

http://filedepot.onkyousa.com/Files/...6e57124e167221
post #159 of 2742
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

Even though Audyssey has said the 5508 is capable, it's pretty unlikely anyone has done it. Onkyo has not yet released the firmware for it,

Doh!
post #160 of 2742
[quote=Johnla;19537139]Even though Audyssey has said the 5508 is capable, it's pretty unlikely anyone has done it. Onkyo has not yet released the firmware for it, that will also be needed to enable the option of Audyssey Pro. The most recent new firmware release for the 5508 was dated 11/10/2010, with no mention of Audyssey Pro.
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The Integra 11/10/2010 firmware for the DHC80.2 has the same version information and exactly the same comments as as to what is fixed as the 5508 firmware. Several users have reported performing Pro calibrations of their DHC 80.2. Thus, the ability to do a Pro calibration on the 5508 may be available with the current firmware.

A binary comparison of the firmware for the DHC80.2 and the 5508 show the firmware is very similar, but there are some differences in each of the three files.
post #161 of 2742
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Originally Posted by retate View Post

The Integra 11/10/2010 firmware for the DHC80.2 has the same version information and exactly the same comments as as to what is fixed as the 5508 firmware. Several users have reported performing Pro calibrations of their DHC 80.2. Thus, the ability to do a Pro calibration on the 5508 may be available with the current firmware.
Unlikely that it will work on a 5508 until Onkyo specifically adds it to the firmware. That fact that the DHC80.2 has it, really means nothing in relation to the Onkyo 5508.

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Originally Posted by retate View Post
A binary comparison of the firmware for the DHC80.2 and the 5508 show the firmware is very similar, but there are some differences in each of the three files.
And just what do you think the reason maybe is for those differences in the files? Those differences in the files between a 80.2 & the 5508 firmware, may be all that it needs to prevent or enable it. Last year the 80.1 had the option of Audyssey Pro, and the 5507 did not. Onkyo did something to prevent the 80.1 firmware from being applied to the 5507 to enable Audyssey Pro on a 5507, so it's very likely are also doing it with the 5508 also.
post #162 of 2742
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Originally Posted by Hammie View Post

My BB did not carry them. Told me they were getting out of carrying Onkyo because they were too commercial...

Anyway, I think G&G Technologies and Summit Audio & Video are a couple decent places online. Or you can do as I did and e-mail the Onkyo Pro distribution for your area. They will let you know who the Onkyo Pro dealers are in your area.

At that point, contact the dealers and make an offer.

Thanks Hammie for the mention.

I'd be happy to help any AVS members.
post #163 of 2742
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Originally Posted by JackBarry View Post

Lou, thanks for the info, however I wasn't able to find a site for either of the dealers. Would you have a link or contact number?

Thanks again

Jack

Hi Jack, you can e-mail me.

I only have a small website and I'm not sure if it is permissible to post it here.
post #164 of 2742
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Originally Posted by JackBarry View Post

Lou, thanks for the info, however I wasn't able to find a site for either of the dealers. Would you have a link or contact number?

Thanks again

Jack

Here is the link: http://www.onkyopro.com/rep_map.cfm

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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Apologies for the cross-post ...

Anyone perform an Audyssey Pro calibration on their 5508?

I am very interested in hearing any comments regarding what gear you had before the 5508 (hopefully a predecessor model), how the 5508 compares to it sonically and ... most important ... what improvements did you hear with the Audyssey Pro calibration?

Thanks!

Jeff

I have been advised since the Pro calibration does 32 points, it doesn't make sense in a room of my size (11x15) and with the couch against the back wall.

I have done the 8 point and really feel between that and the Dyn EQ, my HT experience is off the charts!!!

I am really loving this thing paired with my Emotiva amps, Oppo BD player, and B&W speakers.

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Originally Posted by bioforce View Post

Thanks Hammie for the mention.

I'd be happy to help any AVS members.

No worries, John. Hope you get some calls.
post #165 of 2742
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Originally Posted by Hammie View Post



I have been advised since the Pro calibration does 32 points, it doesn't make sense in a room of my size (11x15) and with the couch against the back wall.

I have done the 8 point and really feel between that and the Dyn EQ, my HT experience is off the charts!!!

Yes, the guidelines still apply to Pro wrt where to/to not measure, i.e. not close to a wall, .5m/24" minimum spacing between measurements, etc.

Can you expand a bit on "off the charts?"

Jeff
post #166 of 2742
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Yes, the guidelines still apply to Pro wrt where to/to not measure, i.e. not close to a wall, .5m/24" minimum spacing between measurements, etc.

Can you expand a bit on "off the charts?"

Jeff

Sure, I'll try.

I guess by "off the charts" I mean that it is far more enveloping now. I feel the surround channels are much more active than when I had my Denon 3808 running.

They just seem much more detailed than before. I have read that because of the Dynamic EQ the surround channels are better calibrated. I am not sure how Denon implemented MultEQ XT, but the difference between it and the MultEQ XT32 seems to be a big difference, IMO.

After doing the Audyssey calibration, I level all channels with an SPL, so I know that my rear channels are not any higher than before. I have always had everything set to 80db with the sub at 83db on my SPL. So there is no difference between calibration other than the version of Audyssey.

On another note, I need to do some more playing around and testing because when we watched How to Train Your Dragon last night, the audio kept varying from loud to quiet within scenes. I need to try another TrueHD movie and see if it is an issue with that codec or not. I have not noticed this issue with any DTS Master HD encoded movies.

Let me know if you have any specific questions.
post #167 of 2742
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Originally Posted by Hammie View Post

Sure, I'll try.

I guess by "off the charts" I mean that it is far more enveloping now. I feel the surround channels are much more active than when I had my Denon 3808 running.

They just seem much more detailed than before. I have read that because of the Dynamic EQ the surround channels are better calibrated. I am not sure how Denon implemented MultEQ XT, but the difference between it and the MultEQ XT32 seems to be a big difference, IMO.

After doing the Audyssey calibration, I level all channels with an SPL, so I know that my rear channels are not any higher than before. I have always had everything set to 80db with the sub at 83db on my SPL. So there is no difference between calibration other than the version of Audyssey.

On another note, I need to do some more playing around and testing because when we watched How to Train Your Dragon last night, the audio kept varying from loud to quiet within scenes. I need to try another TrueHD movie and see if it is an issue with that codec or not. I have not noticed this issue with any DTS Master HD encoded movies.

Let me know if you have any specific questions.

I am curious as to why you used a sound meter to change the channel levels? The mic and software in Audyssey are far more accurate. If you had posted that you changed the channel levels by EAR because you like them different than the calibration set them, I would understand.

Jeff
post #168 of 2742
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

I am curious as to why you used a sound meter to change the channel levels? The mic and software in Audyssey are far more accurate.

Hi Jeff,

Why do you think the Audyssey mic and software would be more accurate for setting *levels* than an SPL meter? Audyssey measures the levels on the first chirp, so it's measured *before* any EQ is applied. Certainly the EQ could add or subtract some signal level, and I don't believe Audyssey re-checks the levels after it performs the EQ, so checking them with an SPL meter after Audyssey doesn't seem like a bad idea.

If the SPL meter reads all the speakers at the same 80 dB, how would that not be "accurate"? I can see that the SPL meter might not be as accurate for the subwoofer level due to it's inaccuracy at low frequencies, but measuring the same "noise" signal from all the speakers and setting them to 80 dB sets them all the same, which is what is important for calibration purposes, right?

Thoughts?

Craig
post #169 of 2742
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

Hi Jeff,

Why do you think the Audyssey mic and software would be more accurate for setting *levels* than an SPL meter? Audyssey measures the levels on the first chirp, so it's measured *before* any EQ is applied. Certainly the EQ could add or subtract some signal level, and I don't believe Audyssey re-checks the levels after it performs the EQ, so checking them with an SPL meter after Audyssey doesn't seem like a bad idea.

If the SPL meter reads all the speakers at the same 80 dB, how would that not be "accurate"? I can see that the SPL meter might not be as accurate for the subwoofer level due to it's inaccuracy at low frequencies, but measuring the same "noise" signal from all the speakers and setting them to 80 dB sets them all the same, which is what is important for calibration purposes, right?

Thoughts?

Craig,

I just trust the Audyssey test sweep, mic and algorithms to produce a better channel balance than the band-limited noise produced in the receiver/processor and a cheap sound level meter. This is especially true for balancing the sub and mains.

Jeff
post #170 of 2742
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Craig,

I just trust the Audyssey test sweep, mic and algorithms to produce a better channel balance than the band-limited noise produced in the receiver/processor and a cheap sound level meter. This is especially true for balancing the sub and mains.

Jeff

What about an expensive pro level meter and the AIX sound calibration blu ray that came with oppo 83?
post #171 of 2742
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

I am curious as to why you used a sound meter to change the channel levels? The mic and software in Audyssey are far more accurate. If you had posted that you changed the channel levels by EAR because you like them different than the calibration set them, I would understand.

Jeff

They are typically not off much -- maybe 1-2db from one channel to the next.

I guess I may under the same thought as Craig in just setting them.
post #172 of 2742
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

Unlikely that it will work on a 5508 until Onkyo specifically adds it to the firmware. That fact that the DHC80.2 has it, really means nothing in relation to the Onkyo 5508.



And just what do you think the reason maybe is for those differences in the files? Those differences in the files between a 80.2 & the 5508 firmware, may be all that it needs to prevent or enable it. Last year the 80.1 had the option of Audyssey Pro, and the 5507 did not. Onkyo did something to prevent the 80.1 firmware from being applied to the 5507 to enable Audyssey Pro on a 5507, so it's very likely are also doing it with the 5508 also.

Hi John,

This posting may be of interest.

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Originally Posted by Hugo S View Post

Hi,

I've just finished a Pro calibration of the (European) Onkyo PR SC5508 I have.

Now I wish to publicly thank here Audyssey's Luke and Chris who were of a particular and very appreciated help in this matter.

Hugo

I know, I know its just a European model and doesn't prove that we North Americans will be able to do a Pro calibration.

Larry
post #173 of 2742
I stumbled upon the SC-5508 today in looking for a solution for my father's HT setup.



Everything is disassembled now, but originally it was a 7.1 setup running a Lexicon MC-12 with the front speakers (M&K powered) running off of balanced cables, and RCA cables output to a Parasound 4 channel amp for the Rear/Sides (unpowered).

An older Pioneer receiver was used merely as a turn on for the Parasound amp.

The Lexicon MC-12 is now fairly outdated, with no HDMI support and non of the newest DTS features. The Lexicon MC-12 HD is VERY expensive and might not be the best solution as it offers no HD upconversion?




I am thinking of running everything now through the SC-5508, balanced cables for the front, RCAs to the Parasound again, and running the BluRay/Sat direct to the new Onkyo unit. One HDMI will connect to the TV/projector.




Will this setup be comparable to the new (now outdated) Lexicon gear?





Thanks all!
post #174 of 2742
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Originally Posted by LarryChanin View Post

Hi John,

This posting may be of interest.

Yes, I already seen that in the Audyssey thread yesterday.

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Originally Posted by LarryChanin View Post




I know, I know its just a European model and doesn't prove that we North Americans will be able to do a Pro calibration.

Well, at least you saved me from having to say that...
post #175 of 2742
Hi,

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Originally Posted by Hugo S View Post

Hi Larry,

The Pro calibration was done through the network connexion... and the mic has to be connected in the PC input in the back (not in the front as with a Denon A100, I previously had)... and there is an "Auto Power Down" function "On" by default on European versions... which eventually powers off the 5508 in the middle of a Pro calibration, so... I had to restart everything from scratch...

Anyway, yes there was a slight complication during the process, but Audyssey did solve this case very, VERY efficiently. And I'll add, it was made in a way, that simply does not exist on our side of the Atlantic...

Now it's a bit too early to give some definitive conclusions, but I'm really happy with the first listenings I made... and yes 9.2 A-DSX is great!

Hugo

This may be of some interest here...

Hugo
post #176 of 2742
Thanks. An ethernet connection between PC laptop (running MultEQ Pro) and Onkyo/Integra gear (instead of USB-to-serial) has been the method for a generation or two.

Jeff
post #177 of 2742
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Thanks. An ethernet connection between PC laptop (running MultEQ Pro) and Onkyo/Integra gear (instead of USB-to-serial) has been the method for a generation or two.

Jeff

Hi Jeff,

Here's a quote from Kris Deering in the Integra DTC-80.1 thread.

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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

Hmm. I did it again yesterday and still had no issues via RS-232. I select Integra AVR 2 I believe and it asks for the IP address and done. No Ethernet connected at all to the laptop I use.

Larry
post #178 of 2742
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Originally Posted by LarryChanin View Post

Hi Jeff,

Here's a quote from Kris Deering in the Integra DTC-80.1 thread.

Larry

Post from Chris ...
post #179 of 2742
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Thanks, maybe I need to do more research. I know I read that ethernet was used to connect Pro and laptop to receiver/processor. I'll see if I can find the post or link.

Jeff

Hi Jeff,

Well, different folks have different experiences.

Here's Fitz's response to Kris' comments that I posted above.

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Originally Posted by fitzcaraldo215 View Post

I tried that with the RS-232 and it just did not work - immediate communications time out. I have a 9.8 on hand, and the cable worked just fine into that under "Integra AVR". So, its not the USB/RS232 cable or my PC.

If we have any network guys out there, correct me if I am wrong, but an IP address just would not apply to a USB/RS 232 connection from the computer. Ergo, it seems to need the ethernet and that's what Audyssey told me. Both "Integra AVR" and "Integra AVR-2" got the communications timeout immediately into the 80.1 via RS232.

Are you on the latest 80.1 firmware? I am.

Larry
post #180 of 2742
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Post from Chris ...

Hi Jeff,

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Originally Posted by audyssey View Post

You need to hook up the mic in the room to the mic preamp and then the output of the mic preamp needs to get to the input of the AVR. You also have to connect your laptop to the AVR via the supplied USB to Serial cable (Denon) or via Ethernet (Integra).

So we agree that both connection methods work?

Larry
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