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8/4/10 at 4:32am
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post #2 of 111
8/4/10 at 4:33am
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Rampant use of digital airbrushing is a major distraction. Its making the actors look like a mannequin. Its very, very obvious in our home theater.

That needs to stop.


As for the movie it should have been more bloody and violent just like the comic version.
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8/4/10 at 4:34am
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8/4/10 at 4:35am
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Blu-ray file size: 22.50 GB

Bitrate: 20.0 mbps AVC

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Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          

Secondary Audio Track
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00004.MPLS                                                      AVC     1:57:44 24,195,280,896  49,642,344,872  27.40   20.00   DTS-HD Master 7.1 4920Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
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DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     KICKASS
Disc Size:      49,642,344,872 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
Extras:         D-BOX Motion Code
BDInfo:         0.5.4

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00004.MPLS
Length:                 1:57:44 (h:m:s)
Size:                   24,195,280,896 bytes
Total Bitrate:          27.40 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
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MPEG-4 AVC Video        19998 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
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DTS-HD Master Audio             English         4920 kbps       7.1 / 48 kHz / 4920 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / DN -4dB
Dolby Digital Audio             English         224 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         35.987 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         38.642 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         38.211 kbps                     

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
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00396.M2TS      0:00:00.000     1:57:44.891     24,195,280,896  27,398          

CHAPTERS:

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1               0:00:00.000     0:05:33.333     20,149 kbps     37,410 kbps     00:01:46.314    33,380 kbps     00:02:00.245    31,075 kbps     00:01:55.240    105,033 bytes   

404,336 bytes   00:04:59.924    
2               0:05:33.333     0:10:22.288     21,943 kbps     38,379 kbps     00:15:44.068    32,003 kbps     00:08:21.542    29,452 kbps     00:08:17.079    114,402 bytes   

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3               0:15:55.621     0:05:14.439     21,355 kbps     38,956 kbps     00:18:36.573    29,950 kbps     00:18:32.653    27,295 kbps     00:18:29.691    111,337 bytes   

358,655 bytes   00:16:39.081    
4               0:21:10.060     0:07:07.635     20,378 kbps     37,758 kbps     00:22:56.583    36,264 kbps     00:22:52.579    31,835 kbps     00:22:49.076    106,243 bytes   

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5               0:28:17.696     0:19:35.257     21,344 kbps     38,020 kbps     00:30:21.444    36,954 kbps     00:43:33.652    34,673 kbps     00:30:06.429    111,278 bytes   

422,702 bytes   00:47:52.953    
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359,987 bytes   00:52:35.819    
8               1:03:16.834     0:07:00.044     23,712 kbps     40,497 kbps     01:07:43.267    37,096 kbps     01:08:11.629    36,726 kbps     01:07:57.364    123,623 bytes   

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331,716 bytes   01:28:43.359    
12              1:30:26.045     0:07:51.304     17,672 kbps     37,697 kbps     01:35:48.200    29,687 kbps     01:35:45.197    26,814 kbps     01:34:45.096    92,133 bytes    

315,598 bytes   01:34:51.435    
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14              1:43:57.981     0:03:07.437     20,211 kbps     37,491 kbps     01:46:58.912    30,962 kbps     01:45:23.233    26,704 kbps     01:45:17.811    105,371 bytes   

421,021 bytes   01:45:26.361    
15              1:47:05.419     0:02:41.703     19,137 kbps     37,646 kbps     01:48:05.520    34,442 kbps     01:48:04.644    32,531 kbps     01:47:57.971    99,769 bytes    

357,799 bytes   01:48:23.455    
16              1:49:47.122     0:07:57.768     7,288 kbps      29,056 kbps     01:50:02.262    27,663 kbps     01:50:01.469    25,545 kbps     01:49:56.423    38,002 bytes    

311,558 bytes   01:50:29.122    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
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00396.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     7064.724                19,998                  17,660,163,419  96,077,824      
00396.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           7064.724                4,920                   4,345,073,568   24,716,174      
00396.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x81            AC3             spa (Spanish)           7064.724                640                     565,191,680     3,311,670       
00396.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           7064.724                224                     197,817,088     1,103,890       
00396.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           7064.724                36                      31,780,452      181,782         
00396.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           7064.724                39                      34,125,178      195,415         
00396.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           7064.724                38                      33,744,624      193,630

QUICK SUMMARY:

Disc Title: KICKASS
Disc Size: 49,642,344,872 bytes
Protection: AACS
BD-Java: Yes
Playlist: 00004.MPLS
Size: 24,195,280,896 bytes
Length: 1:57:44
Total Bitrate: 27.40 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 19998 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: English / DTS-HD Master Audio / 7.1 / 48 kHz / 4920 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
Audio: Spanish / Dolby Digital Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / DN -4dB
Audio: English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 224 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
Subtitle: English / 35.987 kbps
Subtitle: English / 38.642 kbps
Subtitle: Spanish / 38.211 kbps

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post #11 of 111
8/4/10 at 4:44am
DVD's are really getting better
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post #12 of 111
8/4/10 at 5:54am
I missed this one in the theaters, but I really wanted to see it. Netflix is my hero.
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post #13 of 111
8/4/10 at 6:33am
Huge difference
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post #14 of 111
8/4/10 at 7:11am
Xylon - did you also notice blocking ..like in some of the dark sequences....like where
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Kick ass and Nic Cage's character were tied up and beaten and then rescued
I'm curious to see what the dvd looks like at some of those points.
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post #15 of 111
8/4/10 at 7:25am
Shot 3 definitely looks like it was DNR'd or does that actress have amazingly smooth skin?
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post #16 of 111
8/4/10 at 7:35am
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Shot 3 definitely looks like it was DNR'd or does that actress have amazingly smooth skin?

No, it's just intent. They mention the smoothing in the main documentary on the disc. What makes no sense is where they used it. The main bad guy goes from super smooth to rough and gritty from scene to scene.

There are some serious aliasing issues (especially in the first 10-minutes) and some occasional artifacting issues with this transfer too. That said, the sheer amount of color is going to be enough for a lot of people. It is crazy saturated.
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post #17 of 111
8/4/10 at 7:41am
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No, it's just intent. They mention the smoothing in the main documentary on the disc. What makes no sense is where they used it. The main bad guy goes from super smooth to rough and gritty from scene to scene.

There are some serious aliasing issues (especially in the first 10-minutes) and some occasional artifacting issues with this transfer too. That said, the sheer amount of color is going to be enough for a lot of people. It is crazy saturated.

Interesting to hear the smoothing was intentional. The contrast looked really hot to me blocking out a lot of high-frequency detail. I also thought the black-levels were weak and appeared grayish-purple on my display. I agree that the color saturation was impressive though.
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post #18 of 111
8/4/10 at 7:44am
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Interesting to hear the smoothing was intentional. The contrast looked really hot to me blocking out a lot of high-frequency detail. I also thought the black-levels were weak and appeared grayish-purple on my display. I agree that the color saturation was impressive though.

Agreed. I actually checked the black levels on two displays, and during the finale where Hit-Girl is running down the hallway firing away, the "black levels" were more or less purple on both.

This is a really, really tough transfer to judge because a lot of this seems like intent.
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post #19 of 111
8/4/10 at 7:52am
Also, there is a one frame encode error at 1:39:54 as Hit-Girl starts her assault. A blue swatch of artifacting pops up near the top of the screen.
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post #20 of 111
8/4/10 at 10:00am
Many shots looked kind of ugly in the digital cinema print I saw, seems it has made it to blu-ray faithfully. A few times the green color in Kick-Ass's costume would flicker and look really odd, is that on the disc too or was something wrong with the projection?
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post #21 of 111
8/4/10 at 11:12am
Well the film was an awful smooth skinned joke in the cinema, so at least they are carrying that dire look over to Blu Ray. Whoever thought that was a good idea, well they are blind and were so wrong to do that to a film. In a way it is a sad thing as it may make some companies think the smooth skin look is a good thing and do it to HD transfers! stupider things have happened.

That was about the only thing I disliked about the film, that pathetic skin smoothing on pretty much all the cast, the faces at times were like the worst Noise Reduced Blu Rays on the market, but I was sitting in the cinema. Sadly I felt very alone in my thoughts on that when it came into cinemas, not one other person noticed it that I could find (I looked on many forums, asked about and found nothing sadly) and I had zero back up and some just said I was a fool and was making it up, nice.

Glad to see someone actually backs me up now and noticed it, even if it has took Blu Ray for others to see it I think it is worse in motion as you see bits move from under the mask of blur and into grainy goodness in the next shot! mental, not even consistent.
I even went back to the cinema to see the film a few times, I thought my first showing was broke sadly after the second time viewing on another print - I noticed it was the film, and not my eyes.

I just hope to god the Blu Ray is not as obviously ugly as it was in the cinema, or I will be so angry! talk about making a film look dire. The face smoothing is gutting some films for me, it makes zero sense to do it at all
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post #22 of 111
8/4/10 at 11:43am
The face smoothing is gutting some films for me, it makes zero sense to do it at all

Possibly adjusting for bad complexions?
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post #23 of 111
8/4/10 at 11:48am
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Possibly adjusting for bad complexions?

It could be, but since every actor sits in a make-up chair before shooting, I think it should be fixed there instead of in post. Before you know it every more will look like Ultraviolet!
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post #24 of 111
8/4/10 at 12:00pm
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The face smoothing is gutting some films for me, it makes zero sense to do it at all

Possibly adjusting for bad complexions?

The look of this movie reminded me a lot of the Hairspray BD. They both featured oversaturated colors with waxy facial complexions.

Still a great movie though and a worthy addition to my collection!
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post #25 of 111
8/4/10 at 12:04pm
There also many scenes with CGI in that are completely blasted with DNR. Why didn't they just shoot it digitally if they didn't want any grain? Pretty stupid design decision.
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post #26 of 111
8/4/10 at 12:17pm
It was a low budget movie don't forget
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post #27 of 111
8/4/10 at 1:14pm
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The face smoothing is gutting some films for me, it makes zero sense to do it at all

Possibly adjusting for bad complexions?

If it was on every shot then I would say yes, but they so often miss shots of the peoples natural details and we get to see their real faces either they forgot, or the machine isn't working right I think every single person in Kick Ass had it done at one point, some of them male actors had it awful!

At first it seemed to be used in the early days on mainly ladies (The Invasion with Nicole Kidman was one of the first big very bad uses of it), but now it just seems randomly used in films (and TV shows especially) on anyone young and old, male or female. I notice it so often it is just a constant pain over the last 4 years or so.
I like seeing peoples faces. I guess someone, somewhere thinks people look better with a CGI mask on them, I personally do not, and when it distracts the viewer like it does for me I cannot think of a better reason to stop using it.

Mind you they have come a long way in the last few years doing the face smoothing and it is nowhere near as obvious now, but it is still not nice to see even when well used.
In a way it always just brings me back to HD transfers with noise reduction, not a thing I like to see, but someone, somewhere thinks that is a good idea, maybe the same mastermind has to be behind them all I had actually forgot about this issue with the film since I moaned back when it hit cinemas.


I look forward to see some more caps from this Blu Ray, especially them close ups. I know I will buy the disc as I love the film, but fingers crossed it does not catch my eyes to often when I watch the film.
The 2nd cap doesn't look too bad in the smooth department, but that 3rd one looks awful, but hey who knows what is to come when Xylon gets done with his capping magic
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post #28 of 111
8/4/10 at 1:29pm
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At first it seemed to be used in the early days on mainly ladies (The Invasion with Nicole Kidman was one of the first big very bad uses of it)

The Invasion came out in 2007. Johnny Depp had his face digitally smoothed over in both Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (2005) and Sweeney Todd (2007).
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post #29 of 111
8/4/10 at 2:13pm
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The Invasion came out in 2007. Johnny Depp had his face digitally smoothed over in both Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (2005) and Sweeney Todd (2007).

Yeah I saw it used before 2007 it was just The Invasion was maybe the biggest film to hit me so hard at how ugly that digital tinkering could get when used so strangely and poorly. Mind you I never bothered with either of them two Depp films mentioned so have yet to see how much work was done on them movies (I may have a peek for caps now haha).
I even thought Ultraviolet's digital blending worked better than The Invasion, mainly as The Invasion was a pretty grainy looking film so the blending stood out so much worse.
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post #30 of 111
8/4/10 at 2:44pm
While watching this in my HT, I wondered if my eyes were having an off-night.
The face-smoothing was pretty annoying.
It pulled me out of the movie.

If this was done deliberately by the filmmaker, I fail to see its purpose or advantage.
What could Vaughn gain by doing this?
I have to assume there was a technical problem...nothing else makes sense.
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