XpanD X103 vs Monster Vision Max 3D Glasses!? - Page 7

Can someone post their results with plasma tvs. Especially after playing around with the delay cycles. Does it help with ghosting? And how badly does that affect the brightness? Etc...

Not sure what the results would be on plasma, but what I can tell you is that you can crank up the brightness quite a bit and the delay settings offer a wide range. I was actually able on my RS50 to increase the brightness while at the same time dial in the delay and the ghosting is almost non-existent. I would assume that because of plasma technology, the results should be even better or at least equivalent.

Sweet, now I am convinced that I want to pick up a the MV RF transmitter and few pairs of the MV glasses. Now if only I can find a place that has them in stock. Amazon says 1-2 months.

Try Vanns:
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it..._c=site_search

For those of us with pre-2010 Mits DLP TVs (I have a WD-65833 and the newest firmware upgrade), the issues when using shutter glasses appear to be two-fold: 1) non-black blacks (due to the dlp flash than cannot be turned off), and 2) the rainbow effect.

Because Monsters glasses are RF rather than IR, are these two problems still and issue? And if so, does anyone know how well these glasses might deal with these?

I am also considering the CE4 because they specificly address these two problems, but I would like to have some options. Plus, the Monster glasses kit which includes the transmitter is a few hundred buck less than going with the CE4s.

I have pre-ordered the new Panasonic 3D bluray player, model 310 from Amazon, and I'd like to have some idea of which glasses I should go with. DLP link, while less expensive, still seem to have too many problems, plus if I ever get a newer, non-DLP TV, DLP link glasses would no longer be useful. I'd rather spend more up front and not limit any future options.

Thanks.

What type of screen are you using?

So I sent Bit Cauldron an email regarding polarization orientation, and this was their response:

"The glasses are not polarized. The lens is like one large pixel, either clear or dark creating the shutter effect 60 times per second per eye."

What do you guys think? Is that possible?

Did you happen to ask them if there is a rated contrast spec they have for them?

Bit Cauldron uses Pi-Cell LC glass construction:

http://www.personal.kent.edu/~mgu/LCD/pi-cell.htm

I picked up a kit today. I am able to get them to work fine when the transmitter is plugged directly into my X7 (RS50), but I cannot get the monster transmitter to sync with the IR signal from the JVC emitter. Have you (or anyone else for that matter) had any luck syncing with the JVC emitter? I need the IR sync as I have 4 pair of the JVC glasses. Also, I would like to do a side-by-side comparison.

That's not the reason, Xpand uses Pi-Cell also. I asked for an explanation, and this was his response:

"Excuse me, I misinterpreted your first question.

TFT PC Monitors are polarized at 45 degrees.

MPA and IPA LCD TV’s are vertically polarized.

Bit Cauldron’s universal product splits the difference with a linear polarization half way between these two angles. This allows our glasses to work both with TVs and PC monitors."



So it's not horizontal or vertical (but closer to vertical), and does have polarization.

I did not ask about the contrast of the glasses.

If anyone here has the MonsterVision kit and a Samsung plasma (or any plasma for that matter), can you run the crosstalk test located in this avsforum thread?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1291751

Am trying to determine if these glasses will improve the crosstalk situation on my plasma.

We are hoping to launch this product soon in Canada through Best Buy / Future Shop – we don’t have an exact date yet but if you keep checking back with our website you will be able to see when the launch has happened.hope i can get my hands on a pair soon.

So does that basically mean that they are the same as the XpanDs and might cause a problem for JVC projectors and a polarization preserving screen?

Okay. I've had my Monster glasses for the last few days. This is just my opinion.

I decided to go ahead and return them. The main reason is that they make a buzzing sound from both arms when 3d is activated. It's not loud, but the sound bothered me since it is right by my ears. It was louder from the arm with the power button. Once I picked up on the frequency, it was hard for me to forget. I forgot about it playing fast videogames and watching movies with above average sound. Once the sound got quiet, I would hear the buzzing and start focusing on that. I'm not sure if it was just my glasses or all Monster glasses. My other 5 Samsung 3d glasses do not make this sound. Again, it isn't loud, but it sounds like a bee buzzing around my head.

The glasses themselves worked well. I didn't think the picture looked that different from the Samsung glasses. Maybe a very slight increase in brightness. I thought the cross talk looked the same on both. I have a pn63c8000 TV, and the cross talk doesn't bother me anyway. Messing around with lens cycle didn't really help. The default was already on full brightness, and changing it make the picture too dark. So the default for me looked the best.

The glasses look huge when you first take them out of the box, like movie theater glasses. The glasses fit more loosely on the head. I thought they were more comfortable than my Samsung glasses when I was wearing contacts, but not as comfortable when I wore my prescription glasses. They felt like they were being pushed off my nose by my other glasses since they don't fit tight on the sides of my head.

The best thing about the glasses is the syncing. Once you have the transmitter set up correctly, you will not lose sync. I was able to see my TV from about 24 feet away and they were still working. I even walking upstairs to the second floor and went into a bedroom. I could tell the glasses were still syncing with the TV since they didn't turn off and were, unfortunately, producing the buzzing sound.

Overall, I would have probably kept the glasses if it wasn't for the buzzing sound. If I find out later no one else has Monster glasses that buzz, I may end up ordering another pair in the future.

I don't hear any buzzing sounds from my glasses. You must of had a defective set.

I love mine!

That's good to hear. If that's true, I recommend these to anyone fed up with losing sync all the time. I rarely lose sync now after using the tape trick on my Samsung glasses. Even so, the Monster glasses are better. Maybe people should buy them from places that have a good return policy just in case.

Come on my good man . . . review them for us with specifics to your particular setup.

My videos are up!

www.youtube.com/user/rvspawn

How do the Monster glasses compare to the JVC's?

Ironically he had the first review of them and you even posted the youtube link for it lol

I'm looking forward to hearing a review from people using these glasses with older DLP sets, like high def mon.

Does it get rid of the red tint on blacks, and are there rainbows? Two major issues with these older sets and current 3D glasses.

They look great on their own. I started The Legend of the Guardians, and there was a lot of ghosting. I want into "programming" mode on the glasses and was able to "tune" the ghosting out. This is coming from someone who has NEVER noticed a bit of ghosting, even on scenes where other people have reported ghosting. You can also tune the delay, which gives you a sense that you are adjusting brightness since all I notice is that the adjustment goes from dim to bright, nothing else. However, I am unable to get the Monster transmitter to IR sync with the JVC emitter so that I can try a side-by side comparison. zombie10k says he will receive his today as reported in the RS50 owner's thread and hopefully he will try the IR sync. Mine just may be defective.

Oh yeah... I find them to be much more comfortable than the JVC glasses. If I can get the IR sync to work and use both types, these will be the set that only I use.

Did you try taping the Monster IR receiver to the JVC emitter face to face, like the person in the youtube video did?

Other than comfort, which was brighter? Any other differences? What screen are you using? Thanks for your info!

Mine just arrived, I am going to give it a shot tonight after work to compare against the Xpand 103's. I have the RS50 with a 142" Dalite 2.8HP screen.

Any hints on the programming mode? the included 'quick guide' instructions didn't mention anything. I'll try it direct 3 din plug and also with the JVC transmitter to see if we can get both working at the same time.

it looks like it requires USB power... I can't remember if the RS50 has a USB port, but it's worth a shot to try it if it foes.

X7 133" Dalite 2.8 about 16' throw. I did tape the monster IR receiver to the JVC emitter, still nothing. Tried everything I could think of. May give Monster a call.
Can't tell a brightness difference as I have to unplug and plug transmitter/emitter between tests. Sorry, I will have to wait on that one.

Did anyone try to sync the Monster glasses with the Nvidia 3D Vision emitter?
This would be awsome, because the range of the Nvidia emitter is limited in large batcave like home cinema.

well this stinks.. I didn't even get the Monster glasses home and they are broken already. I charged them at work, folded the arms and... CRACK. Split one of the lenses for no apparent reason.

My Xpand 103's and Nvidia glasses have been handled by children without and issue so I don't know what happened as I was very careful with them.

hopefully they still work enough for me to evaluate them before sending them back.

Bummer on the broken glasses. i believe that maybe my monster IR receiver must be broken out of the box.

http://www.monstercable.com/lit/Max_3D_manual.pdf
The programming really isn't too hard. Hold the joystick to the left until you see two green lights and let go. I have the lights all the way to the left for duty cycle (perceived brightness). As for the delay (up/down adjustment) I have either 2 or 3 red lights. You will easily be able to adjust the ghosting out by your own eye.

that's makes 2 of us, my Monster IR sensor doesn't work with my JVC RS50 3D IR emitter. That is a major buzzkill since i'm not giving up using my 103's just to use the Monster glasses. Perhaps there is a 3 pin DIN splitter that might work?

Here's some quick impressions:

Pro's-

• I like the color of the lenses on the Monster glasses. It's a little more neutral than the Xpand 103's which imo turn whites into a more tanish color. I am always aware of the color shift when putting on the 103's. The Monsters seemed to be more transparent in color shift which I liked.

50/50:

• In regard to ghosting or brightness, I don't see the real advantage of the Monsters over the 103's. Both seem very similar after adjusting the monsters to the full brightness.
  
  
• Charging - My Nvidia's needed a USB charge. The 103's use the 2032 watch batteries. I prefer the swappable batteries. I often forget to charge things and swapping out that coin battery is quick and easy when I overlook charging a set of the Nvidia glasses. this is just personal preference.

Con's -

• They seem fragile. I was gentle with them but cracked one of the lens just by folding one of the arms. The entire assembly just seems a bit flimsy for the cost. You can flex most parts of the glasses easily which might explain how I cracked the lens. I would be a little concerned with younger kids handling them.

• By contrast, the Nvidia 3D vision glasses are quite sturdy. So are the Xpand 103's. They aren't the most stylish looking glasses, but they are solid.
  
  
  
• Fit - I don't like how they fit with my prescription glasses. The arms are straight and they basically slide off my face. The 1 nose guard might not be the right size for all folks, so that right there could account for some of the loose fit. If I take off my glasses and just put on the monsters, they are very comfortable. unfortunately this doesn't help me since I need the other glasses.
  
  
• Buzzing - BZZZZZZZZ!!! right side is louder than the left side. It's not terrible, but I can definitely hear them slightly when the room goes quiet. Something is buzzing around if you hold it close to your ear. I hope I am not being irradiated.
  
  

tough call for me in the end.. I have to send them back anyway. If the IR sensor worked and I could use both glasses at the same time, I would keep them. Hopefully someone will come up with a workaround.

I might keep a single set just for myself since I have a preference for the color of the monster glasses.