"Official" Yamaha RX-A1000/RX-A2000/RX-A3000 thread - Page 35

Depends what you're hoping to achieve for the subs. A $100 BFD will EQ two subs much better than the A3000 (more filters and much finer frequency control), although the setup is not automatic. For level and distance (phase), you can use the knobs on the back of the subs.

Thanks, I found the menu item on the TV.

I got the rx-a3000 last night with some audio quest x2 speaker cable.
Is that cable any good?

So far, there isn't any AVR that can really well manage LFC, regarding auto EQ.

That is why products as the AS-EQ1 have met such a success.
Personnaly, as I didn't want to pay that much money, I was quite relieved when the Antimode 8033 came on the market.

It does the trick (nearly) as well as others, but for a much lower price.

And, combining the YPAO of my Z7 with the Antimode, I am now quite happy with the results!

More info on this product here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...highlight=8033

The beauty and the beast.........





........but the powder.........
Ciao, Luca.

I've recently bought an ipod and am using itunes to store all of my audio cds onto my NAS drive. Does any one know if the receivers will read and decode the m4a files straight off the NAS or do they need to be stored in another format?

.m4a files are Apple's AAC format. These AVRs can play back AAC files fine with two exceptions: it can't play back .m4p (protected) AAC files, and it may or may not have trouble with AAC using Apple Lossless encoding. The latter is less likely, though.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but you both seem to be saying that an inexpensive stand-alone unit will do a much better job equalizing my dual subs than either the new Yamahas or the Denon 4311. While that may be true, it doesn't jibe with much of what I've been reading about dual sub equalization, the AS-EQ1, and these new receivers.

I am not interested in anything that requires a lot of tinkering. I want a simple, effective, plug-and-play solution to some of my dual subwoofer issues. It's not clear to me that either of the units you recommend fit those expectations.

Regardless of the dual sub EQ capabilities of the new Yamahas or the 4311, I still would like to know whether the A2000 or A3000 can send the signal that would usually go to my dipole surrounds to my direct rear surrounds when listening to multi-channel music. I know the Denons can do it.

I'm also curious about whether the new Yamahas can decode DSD and HDCD.

Does anyone out there have any experience with both the RX-A3000 and the DVDO Edge? How does video compare between these two? I find the RX-A3000 to have outstanding video processing; after a bunch of fiddling it has improved both Blu-Ray and HD Cable video in my system. For audio, even though the RX-A3000 is excellent, I find my RX-Z11 to be superior. If I could match the video proccesing of the 3000 with an external proccessor, I could keep my Z11...

Epson HT 8100
144" DIY screen
11.2 channel audio
Tivo HD
Sony BDP-s360 blu ray player

I am looking into the RX-A1000 and RX-A2000 to power a KEF 3005 system, the only reason I am considering the the RX-A2000 is the HQV Vida processor. Is it worth to pay this difference for the video processing and the extra speaker watts power?

I might need something a future proof in case I upgrade my speakers to bigger toys. I watch HD movies and TV a lot specially sports and need an AV receiver to handle all my devices. my budget is around $2,500 -+

Thanks

The BFD is definitely not a plug and play solution, but the reason it can do a better job than the Yamaha with bass is you need very specific filter frequencies to cope with room modes, and you'll be lucky if the fixed 1/3 octave frequencies that Yamaha support happen to be the right ones for your particular room.

OTOH the Denon 4311 uses the new Audyssey MultEQ XT32, which is plug and play and in theory should do a much better job with the subs than the previous version of Audyssey. The problem I have with Audyssey is it will also EQ your main speakers, and if you don't like the result you can't have just the bass EQ without the rest, it's all or nothing (unless you pay extra for the "pro" kit that lets you do more tweaking).

A friend of mine wondered if the dual subs could be stero, not using information front the LFE track .1 but from the speakers set to small and the bass from them sent using a LPF to the sub?

IE; All channels set to small 80hz, all information from LCR, front wides and Height below 80hz gets sent to the front sub, and all information below 80hz from the Sides and Surround Back(s) sent to a rear sub...

Or if a sub is on each side of the room they all Left speakers below 80hz are sent to the Left Sub and all below 80hz from the right speakers sent to the right sub...

I am having a tough time deciding between the A1000 and A2000. I currently have a V663 which sounds great to me for movies but is severely lacking on stereo CD listening. BD video quality is also good for me with my little V663. This gives you an idea of my viewing and listening preference.

I had a V1000 which was awesome for stereo and I am hoping the A1000 would match it and also provide better movie experience.

Do you experts think the extra chassis h-bar stuff, low jitter, video processing and the additional 25 watts would make a big difference for a non-expert like me? I heard the A2000 at BB but they do not have a A1000 in stock.

Are there any manual deinterlacing settings with the 2000/3000? The user guide doesn't list anything.

I'm not certain but I believe the 663 does not have discrete amplifiers, it's one of the cost cutting receivers Yamaha made with opamp's in the amplifier section and not discrete circuitry. That could be why it's not as great with music and not as noticeable with movies. The newer receivers, like the 667 and 867, and the Aventage series (probably others, check the features for "discrete amplification") have discrete amplification, and yes, you would likely might hear an improvement in sound all around. That said, if you like the receiver you have now, movies sound good, it has the features you want, my suggestion would be to add an external amp and connect it to the "front preouts" and that would likely solve your problem bigtime. (I have a 667, which has discrete amps, but my front speakers are 4 ohm and very high quality Dynaudio Audience 42's which require an amp with real high current and the ability to drive the 4 ohms with ease and so I have a Parasound Model 275 for the front channels). Your Yamaha would then be more of a "preamp" for music. There are great new and used 2-channel amps out there. If you have the budget for an Aventage series AVR then you have the budget for a great amp. You could even go for a big Emotiva amp for all the channels and you would notice even a huge improvement for movies too, which would have far better amplification than any Aventage series AVR.

The 663 does have discrete amps. The 665 was the odd man out in the 66x series without discrete amps, and they came back with the 667.

If something sounds "great" for movies and "severely lacking" for two channel stereo, it's likely a setup issue and not something inherent to the amp itself.

thanks for the input. I will check the setup again. I use Panasonic BD player for CDs and set the amp for stereo output using the CD Scene preset. It just seemed like my rxv1000 had more depth and punch on CDs. Could be wrong though I guess..

How do these break out in terms of channel assignment? Is is something like this (using the A2000/V2067; 7.1 + external zone):

PCM1789: Front Right and Left
PCM1789: Center
PCM1789: Subwoofer 1
PCM1789: Subwoofer 2

PCM1781: Surround Right and Left
PCM1781: Surround Back Right and Left

Very curious about this implementation with this many DACs.

Cheers.

Ah! Ok. I kind of wondered if I had that wrong, I knew it was some 66x! Well, something does seem a bit amiss there but my recommendation still stands really.

showard594 - While I haven't heard an Aventage line AVR, the tweaks they have made could be a great improvement, I don't know. Most will tell you a receiver is a receiver most of the time, when it comes to music, but the tweaks they have made to the 1000 and 2000 look pretty cool. The 2000 has that H Frame, 30% more power and HQV Vida video processing. Both have a symmetrical amp layout which is cool. USB and Networking is very cool too. They look like really nice receivers and have some great moves they have made towards addressing sound. Again if you like what you have right now a two channel amp would be a consideration.

You have asked this numerous times...

No. Yamaha AVRs have never decoded HDCD.

Both the A3000 & A2000 have HDMI input receivers that accept DSD input. However, only the A3000 has DSD capable DACs (DSD1796 & DSD1791). The A2000 DACs (PCM1789 & PCM1791) are not DSD capable, hence the A2000 must internally decimate DSD to PCM prior to D/A conversion. Even though it has DSD capable DACS, the A3000 may also internally decimate DSD to PCM, though previous V series & Z series AVRs w/ DSD capable DACs have offered DSD direct conversion in Pure Direct mode.

AJ

TI/Burr Brown PCM1789 & PCM1781 are stereo DACs. So, each DAC converts up to two channels. If the previously reported number of DACs in the A2000 is accurate, then I surmise that the channel assignments are as follows:

PCM1789: L, R
PCM1789: C, unused
PCM1789: SL, SR
PCM1789: SBL, SBR

PCM1781: FPL, FPR
PCM1781: SUB1, SUB2

AJ

I wanted to update the firmware on my A2000 from v1.14 to v2.05 and followed all the steps but at the end, after pressing the "info" button to start the update, my receiver simply shuts off (both with the internet and USB update mode). Has anyone here had that problem? I have sent Yamaha a message about this but probably won't hear from them for a couple of days.

Call customer service tomorrow at the 714 number. They were very helpful and worked with me to answer all my questions. You might be pleasently surprised.

That is exactly what we are saying.


The beauty of the Antimode is that it is a no brainer, that takes about 5 minutes to set up.

To prove it, you can have a look at the user's manual here:
http://www.dspeaker.com/fileadmin/da...mode8033en.pdf

Lots of information here...still cant decide on a Denon 3311CI or the A2000. My setup is as follows:
RC 30's - Front mains
RC LCR - Center
RC 10's - 4 surrounds
Sub - dont have it yet, but will get a SVS.

My future plans are to bi-amp everything when money permits.

Be nice if someone could actually tell us how it is setup. Anyone from Yamaha here? ;-)

Thanks AJ.

There's not really any other way. The usual 7 channels all need a DAC, the two front presence channels need a DAC (since they can be used at the same time as the other channels), and the two sub channels need a DAC each because stereo subs are supported. It's logical that the lower quality DACs would be used on the presence and sub channels.

And I don't believe I've ever seen a post from someone at Yamaha on any of the Yamaha threads. The usual source of this kind of info are the service manuals, but this year Yamaha seem to be keeping them well hidden.

I agree with your analysis. Just be nice to understand how it is done. ;-)

Cheers.

I'm leaning towards the 1000 but I've a few things I don't quite understand, (sorry for the noobish questions) -- I thought I read where someone said it improved their blu ray PQ, how would this do this when the player is outputting 1080p, would the player have to have some kind of bypass or something because I assume you wouldn't want to process twice?

And on the same thought, the HQV Vida Video Processor in the 2000/3000 is the (main) biggest upgrade from the 1000, correct? Again, would this come into play more with cable/satellite for upscaling than blu ray? Would audio be comparable with the 2000/3000? Anything I'm missing?

TIA.

GHW,

With the 1000, you get 7.1 (Or is it 7.2?) audio channels. the 2000 supports 9.2, with a 2 ch external amp and the 3000 supports 11.2 with a 4ch external amp. There are internal differences as well that improve the sound quality as you go up the chain.

With my setup, the 3000 definitely improves picture quality, including blu-ray. I have a 144" screen and the improvement in both contrast and detail are quite noticeable for all video sources. The largest improvement, highest to lowest, comes with Cable HD shows, then Blu-ray, than SD content. Switching processing on and off while watching Avatar on blu-ray was amazing. Colors pop more and the detail is a definite notch up. I'm going to write a more detailed review later, but suffice it to say I am thoroughly impressed with the capabilities of the RX-A3000 as a video processor.