"Official" Yamaha RX-A1000/RX-A2000/RX-A3000 thread - Page 66

Nah, with the 3000 (and likely any of the Yamahas that support SBT mode), you can leave CEC off. You'll need to manually select what input gets routed though (HDMI1, 2, etc) on the AVR but that can be done while it's off. You'll see a couple blinks of the red standby light and then it'll go back to sleep and pass through whatever HDMI input you chose. It's also a quick and dirty way to let the audio through to the TV when you normally wouldn't.

After 2 weeks with my new RX-V3067 I am getting more clear what I like and what I don't like and what I miss from this device:

First, common things that I haven't tested yet:

- 5.1 or 7.1 (just Stereo tested)
- Subwoofer
- Video inputs
- Internet radio

What I LIKE:

- Sound in general terms: I have a bi-amped pair of Kef iQ90 and I am really impressed with the sound.
- DAC + Optical inputs: REALLY sound good.
- Pure Direct mode
- Output power
- 2 remote controllers
- Web control
- Many inputs
- Many outputs
- Many options
- LOOK. I have the titanium finish
- Overall quality

I am REALLY happy with this new device... and is a big step forward for my entertainment... but now, what I DON'T LIKE:

- Headphones jack and USB behind the front door. I think the USB could be in a lateral and another rear USB for permanent conections (dedicated USB devices).
- More "direct input buttons" than "direct Scene buttons".
- Image quality of the "On Screen" menú. (maybe a software patch could change this)
- "Don't support" for USB HDD's. Some work and others don't. I have a WD Passport Essential that works and a newer WD than doesn't work. (maybe a software patch could change this)
- Don't support for Ogg/Vorbis (USB, DLNA and Internet Radio) (maybe a software patch could add this)
- Gap between songs when playing FLAC files through USB or DLNA. Important when you play Classical Music. (maybe a software patch could fix this)
- Don't respect the song order when playing through DLNA (this could be a problem with my DLNA software or maybe a software patch in the Yamaha could fix this)
- Need to register for use Internet radio (maybe a software patch could change this)
- No SMB and/or NFS client. Sometimes is easier than DLNA. (maybe a software patch could add this)

Finally, this is what I MISS from an "Ideal" Yamaha A/V (that beats almost everything out there):

- Video playing from digital files using USB, DLNA, Internet streams or SMB/NFS. (maybe [but not sure] a software patch could add this)
- Support for ext3/ext4 in USB devices (maybe a software patch could add this)
- Clock and specially: TIMER. The receiver is in my bedroom and I like to wake up with quality radio :-) (and I HATE to another wake up ways) (maybe [but not sure] a software patch could add this) (please, make a patch! :-))
- Free/Open Source Firmware. We could make all the software fixes and add or change things that we miss or don't like. (Really Important Thing)

There are a lot of things... and I am sure that in the next months I will find more and more things that I like and I don't like from this fantastic A/V receiver.

Bye!

Noone will open their sources, and even with the sources it would be a pain working with the traditional receiver hardware platform that uses a microcontroller and DSPs. Without the source code it was pain squared, so I'm hoping Yamaha add the option to disable the on-screen volume before I need to replace my 1800.

Some people go the home theatre PC route if they want to customize everything, but for some reason that doesn't really appeal to me. It would be nice if a small customer-friendly company like Oppo Digital made a receiver, as they would be much more open to suggestions for new features (mind you, it be forever in Beta and never really a finished product, but at least they listen to customers ).

Yep... I know that is almost impossible... But it would be wonderful! And who knows... maybe the first company that do that could blow up the market...


Out there are people working in really complex software projects (at high and low level). I know that a receiver firmware is a complex software part... but I am sure that are people interested in work in projects like these.

Of course... the finish part of my post are more like a mail to Santa than other thing, but... isn't good for all to have it?

Bye!

P.D.: the timer function isn't part of the mail to Santa... Yahama guys, please do it! :-) :-)

Hello,
I must say that had the RX-A3000 been available when I purchased my Onkyo TX-NR3007 last Summer, I almost definitely would I gotten the Yamaha.

I am so impressed with this new line of Yamaha AVR's. The addition of the new HQV Video Processor and the video Bench Tests are exemplary. Combined with Yamaha's durability and these are quite appealing.

About the only thing that would give me pause is Yamaha's proprietary YPAO as opposed to Audyssey's MultEQ XT32 or Trinnov's Room EQ. Regardless, I am seriously thinking about getting an A300 and wanted to give props to Yamaha and respect to those who own one of these models.
Cheers,
AD

Thanks for the reply. I have decided to go ahead and get the a2000, I just hope it is a noticeable improvement over my Onkyo 606.

Sorry for the tardy reply.


rdgrimes, thanks for the feedback. I have a few comments / questions:

1. First, to clarify: I did adjust the volume to be the same from digital and analog sources (analog was about 3 decibels louder; volume adjustments were easily made during the audio drop-out when switching between sources.
   
2. Second, I am very surprised to hear that the A2000 converts DSD to PCM as it was my understanding that the DACs used in the A1000/A2000/A3000 can decode DSD directly without additional conversions to affect the signal. This is also why I believed / assumed that DSD passed to the A2000 was the preferred way to set up the universal player (both the A2000 manual and the Oppo manual suggest sending DSD to the AVR). I would be interested to understand better if the AVR is in fact converting DSD to PCM, then what is the benefit of passing DSD vs. PCM to the AVR?
   
3. Third, I did not realize that changing the DSD or PCM settings in the Oppo player affected analog output. I can say that in my crude testing I personally did not make note of any differences between DSD and PCM via multi-channel out--volume was very similar, sound quality was very similar, etc., hence my mistaken impression that they were the same.
   
   Of course, I was not able to compare DSD and PCM output on-the-fly because switching SACD Output in the player between DSD and PCM causes playback to start over from the beginning of the track.
   
   Instead, I used a series of pair-wise comparisons between DSD and Multi-channel on the one hand, and then PCM and Multi-channel on the other. What makes your point all the more interesting is just how much better the DSD-based Multi-channel sounded over HDMI-passed DSD, which alas further suggests the A2000 does a poor job handling DSD.

Yes, these are consistent with my impressions as well with DSD encoded material.

I appreciate the comments!
Mike

You won't regret it.. It was a huge diference/improvement over my v630 which i loved for ten years. Just don't get discouraged when you plug everything in and turn it on and it doesnt sound just right. It takes awhile to dial everything in cause there is so much to dial,,,lol.... especially for me since i'm no audiophile, but my ears didnt lie to me on my switch!

Good Luck and congrads on your purchase!

If you want any kind of processing (including EQ and bass management), then DSD has to be converted to PCM (in any receiver, not just Yamaha). The only mode that can pass DSD input directly to the DACs is "Pure Direct", but only on the A3000 (the other two models don't have DACs that accept DSD).

That said, there shouldn't be any problem sending DSD from player to receiver and having it do processing. It works great on my 1800, so if there's an issue with the A2000 as reported hopefully it can be addressed.

Two contiguous rooms, the main is a livingroom (with samsumg 55c9000 3D TV and 7.1 speakers) and another is small room (with 32" LED samsumg only for tv, or news, etc).

Is posible conect to a any of two AVR:

- a BluRay
- Apple TV
- Media Center PC
- Satellite Receiver

all HDMI, and enclosed en the main room

the main HDMi out, connect to Samsumg 55c9000 in the main room, and the second HDMI to a 32" LED samsumg in the another room ¿?

I dont need see any show o movie simultaneously. I see some shows in the main livingroom and other in the small one. (in the small room only see satellite tv, apple tv and media center PC)

I am thankful for any help ;-)

That is why there are two HDMI outs on these receivers. If you wanted to use both the displays at the same time watching different content, you would need to hook up one of the displays to the component outs and set it up for zone operation.

Ok, but i dont wan to see both display at the same time with different content, always.
I want to see a Bluray movie or NFL in the big livingroom in 7.1 surround or see in the next small room a Media Center PC movie or youtube content from an apple tv in stereo only. Never at the same time.

Will work for my scene any of these two AVR (RX-A3000 or RX-A2000)?

Wow, that is interesting. I would really like more information on this. What sources could you share with us that would shed some light on this "fact". From reading the manuals of the three models, I couldn't find anything that suggest that the A3000 handles DSD in "Pure Direct" any differently then the A1000 or A2000. Also, I (for one anyway) am amazed at the sonic difference between 176.4/24 PCM and DSD on my A1000 (maybe I got lucky again). So what is the point of the DSD decoding at 1-bit on these AVRs?

According to Yamaha the 3067 series uses the PCM1796 DAC and the 2067 the PCM1789.

According to Texas Instruments the PCM1796 can handle DSD and the PCM1789 not.

http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folder...t/pcm1796.html
http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folder...t/pcm1789.html

I guess that this be the same with the A2000 and A3000.

Bye!

I was using the DAC info mentioned in the previous post. Everything points to the A1000/2000/3000 having the same DACs as the V1067/2067/3067.

Personally I think Pure Direct mode is overrated, because you're bypassing all processing and for most people that outweighs any advantage Pure Direct might have. But if you have a great sounding room and speakers that don't need correction, it can make sense.

With Yamaha Pure Direct can always be selected, it's just that it's not always really direct to the DACs, depending on the audio format and the model you have. The manuals tend to ignore that, but at least the blue light comes on!

On my 1800 DSD sounds as good as PCM sent by the player. Some people will say PCM over HDMI is more subject to jitter than DSD, but I don't hear a difference. If you hear a big difference in favour of PCM then it would be nice to know the reason.

And BTW, if you send PCM at 176kHz I wouldn't be surprised if the first thing that happens in the receiver is it's downsampled (except probably in Pure Direct mode). Certainly the 1800 was shown to do this as soon as any kind of processing was required, and it has basically the same two DSPs and fewer channels to deal with.

Great idea!

Sorry, I wasn't clear. Actually, what I meant to say was, I thought the DSD sounded much better than 176.4 PCM. Yes, even on my RX-A1000.


Information on the display does show that 176.4 PCM is being input, however no bit-rate info is shown; if I input DSD the A1000 displays it as well (on the front panel and in the info area), I guess from that point who knows.

Sorry, must have mixed up your post with the one saying that DSD didn't sound good (mdubrow, A2000).

Hi all!

I am close to buying this receiver (A2000). But before I do, I was hoping for clarification on two things.

1) Does the YPAO allow calibration of dual subs? Should I hook up one at a time and calibrate it individually? I only have one sub now but if I buy this AVR, I will buy a second one (PB10-NSD from SVS). Anything to be concerned about?

2) I want to hook up B speakers in Zone 2, and plan to use them exclusively in Party Mode. I have no need for a separate source playing on them; they will be used on my deck for parties. So here's the question: Do I have to go through a menu each time I want to turn these speakers are on, to select Party Mode? Or can I set Party Mode as a default and then just basically click one button to switch between A speakers, B speakers, or both? That's how my current Pioneer works, and I'd hade to lose that convenience factor.

With DTS finally ready to release their Neo:X 11.1-channel technology, does anyone expect an announcement soon from Yamaha about an RX-A4000?

If DTS Neo:X is present in a hypothetical 4000 in the first half of 2011, will the 2000/3000 get firmware upgrades to support it? I think they should, given that they are so new, but who knows...

I have a question about the DLNA capabilities of these receivers. Is it possible to connect the receiver to the network and then stream movies to it from a NAS drive which has Twonky built into it to serve the movie files or will this only allow for music streaming?

Thank you for any help in this area.

When using headphones I think that Pure Direct is a very good idea :-)

When I play music from digital sources (Optical, USB, DLNA...) I use always Pure Direct. When playing FPS, too.

Bye!

As far as I Know, no It supports audio only.

It would be a great improvement if a firmware update change this

Bye!

If DTS Neo:X should require more DSP power or other hardware than is present in the RX-A3000, then Neo:X can expect only a tiny market penetration in the short run...?! Yamaha was presumably one of the 'unnamed' CEMs whom DTS said expressed interest in Neo:X in 2009, so hopefully the RX-A3000 was designed with Neo:X "in mind"...?! However, we might also see Yamaha showcase Neo:X in some new 'small flagship' model (at the RX-Z7 price point?) . . . perhaps something like a 'pop top' version of the RX-A3000 but adding 4 more ~50W amps on-board to handle the Front Height and Front Wide channels?

I haven't made it all the way thru this monster thread yet so excuse me if this has been answered already. Will Zone 2 video output composite video and component video at the same time or is one or the other? (RX-A2000). I would like to output component video to zone 2, room A and composite video to zone 2, room B.

thought it had been confirmed that only the 3000 has the PCM1796 DACs - in fact it has 4 of them

yeah - found the link someone had already posted it - shows the DACs the 1067/2067/3067 (equivalents to the US use)

http://www.stereosound.co.jp/hivi/hd...dle_class.html

Hence my post of a few days ago. I, too, would have expected DSD over HDMI to be the way to go, but I just wasn't impressed with that. (Before the Oppo, I was using a Denon 2900 for SACDs etc., which was pre-HDMI. Used the analog multi-channel input into the A2000 and was very pleased. Then the Denon stopped playing CDs, and I got bitten by the Blu-ray bug, and, well, here we are.)

Any speculation on what the reason (problem?) could be?

Thanks,
Mike

Note that I orginally thought both of you were reporting PCM sounded better, but actually the other user (DigVid) said the opposite (DSD sounded better).

Subtle differences can be volume levels slightly different (even 1dB would sound better, all other things being equal). More obvious differences can be EQ and bass management applied to digital inputs but not analog, but you said you tried Pure Direct which bypasses those. So I really have no idea what's going on.