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post #1981 of 8515
Well, I appreciate the theories nevertheless, kriktsemaj99. At a certain point, I have to conclude that it must be personal taste.

Mike
post #1982 of 8515
Quote:
Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

If DTS Neo:X is present in a hypothetical 4000 in the first half of 2011, will the 2000/3000 get firmware upgrades to support it? I think they should, given that they are so new, but who knows...

Not a chance. The "flagship" AVR that remains in the line up for at least two or three years is an effectively dead concept. The A3000, like the Denon 4311CI, Onkyo NR5008, and Pioneer 37, is a top of the line AVR that will be replaced every year. At the earliest, DTS Neo:X will appear in a Yamaha AVR when a new AVR either replaces or supersedes the A3000 at the top of the line up.

AJ
post #1983 of 8515
I would normally agree, but what if the new model comes out only 6 months after the A3000? I know I'd feel I was owed an update if had just bought a 3000 for an 11.1 setup and was stuck with only Yamaha presence channels. But if Yamaha doesn't ship this new stuff soon, who will it be? (the announcement suggests someone will have it in Q2 2011).
post #1984 of 8515
Quote:
Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

I would normally agree, but what if the new model comes out only 6 months after the A3000? I know I'd feel I was owed an update if had just bought a 3000 for an 11.1 setup and was stuck with only Yamaha presence channels. But if Yamaha doesn't ship this new stuff soon, who will it be? (the announcement suggests someone will have it in Q2 2011).

Yamaha does not "owe" any updates beyond correction of defects & bugs. This sense of entitlement is ostensibly one of the reasons for the death of the "flagship" AVR. Those owners tend to be a pain in the posterior for manufacturers, as they expect manufacturers to keep their "flagships" up to date and equal or superior to any other AVRs in the line up. Manufacturers are learning that it is much simpler to cap the top of the line ~$2000 and replace that model every year. You want major updates? Get the new model.

AJ
post #1985 of 8515
I got an RX-A3000 for Christmas and just finished all the wiring a couple of days ago. Coming from a RX-V800. Just installed Axiom quad polar surrounds and moved the old surrounds (Polk M3's) to front presence duty. I am running 3 old Polk RTA-15TL's for the fronts and a Velodyne F-1500 sub. I am very happy with the sound of this receiver, it is very much an upgrade on that respect. The YPAO really impressed me, it definitly smoothed out the tonal balance of the system and tightened up the bass coming from my less than optimal sub placement in the wall unit I constructed. While watching our first movie with it my wife even remarked how theater like the sound was.

I am very disapointed that the receiver does not seem to pass the info needed for the Oppo BDP-93 from the Mits 3D adapter. We need the adapter on our 09 Mits 82 DLP. I did bypass the receiver for video (oppo has 2 hdmi out) and 3D works as before. I have mutiple sources though and do not want to continue switching cables, Really the biggest reason for wanting to ugrade was the HDMI switching. Maybe someone has some suggestions.

The IPod dock seems to have some issues as well, think it has to do with the HDMI Sync. The display flashes when changing artists or albums and the display will not come back unless I switch to another input and then back. Have had to shut down receiver at times to gain control of IPod again.

If I could get the switching problems and IPod issues handled I would not be able to take the grin off my face. Untill then, I just remind myself I did not shell out the cash for this thing.

Richard
post #1986 of 8515
Quote:
Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

. . . But if Yamaha doesn't ship this new [DTS Neo:X] stuff soon, who will it be? (the announcement suggests someone will have it in Q2 2011).

(1) Other than Yamaha, the likely [non-Audyssey DSX] player for Neo:X would seem to be Sony.

(2) It seems to me that Yamaha took a long time after the x65 series--well over one year--before we saw the x67 models . . . the RX-V867 has only just been released. And the RX-A1000/A2000/A3000 appear to mirror 'regular' RX-V1067/V2067/V3067 models 'outside the USA'. Are we certain that Yamaha will go back to an annual AVR lineup replacement cycle? (rather than perhaps every two years?) I'll be interested to see when the first "x69" (or whatever) model is released...

(3) As for when we see the first Neo:X AVRs: (IIRC) DTS "suggested" at CES 2009, that they would be released in early 2010!
post #1987 of 8515
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

I have to disagree with that comment..

Having tried out both the 4311 and A3000 (and having owned a Z7 and 4310) I will say they are both significant upgrades in one fairly important area:

Room correction...

Don't know what Yamaha changed, but YPAO gave me better results than both other Yamaha's I've owned in the past (Z11 and Z7..)

And Audyssey XT32 is a significant upgrade IMO... even thought I have a bad video board in my first 4311, the audio was improved over the already great 4310...)

hows the pure audio quality compare with the Z11 please ? I wouldn't expect it to sound as good - but is it still good ?

I'm looking to upgrade from a Pioneer 59TXi - tried the new Pio elites a while ago but didn't like them in my system (I hear the 37 is good but its a bit too expensive for me to justify - its about 40% more than the 3000)

many thanks
post #1988 of 8515
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Originally Posted by mdubrow View Post

Well, I appreciate the theories nevertheless, kriktsemaj99. At a certain point, I have to conclude that it must be personal taste.

Mike

Agreed, but please note:

You have an A2000, and I have an A1000. They probably have slightly different audio characteristics. And, since my: transport, speakers, and listening environment are not the same as yours that too could play an influencing part.

Point is, I felt strongly enough about the implementation of DSD over PCM in my RX-A1000 to offer my take on the matter. In my setup it is easily audible.

I must say this new Yamaha blows me away. The design is almost perfectly suited to me in every way and there are very few wasted features on this thing. For me, HD Radio and Net Radio are excellent additions. The unit runs relatively cool, and as is the norm, mine is dead silent. I'm really enjoying this AVR. I have owned many amps and receivers over the past 40 years (SonyES, Yamaha, NAD, Marantz, HK), and I must say that overall (for price, feature set, and design) this is the happiest I've been with any of them...
post #1989 of 8515
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Originally Posted by RDKing2 View Post

I got an RX-A3000 for Christmas and just finished all the wiring a couple of days ago. Coming from a RX-V800. Just installed Axiom quad polar surrounds and moved the old surrounds (Polk M3's) to front presence duty. I am running 3 old Polk RTA-15TL's for the fronts and a Velodyne F-1500 sub. I am very happy with the sound of this receiver, it is very much an upgrade on that respect. The YPAO really impressed me, it definitly smoothed out the tonal balance of the system and tightened up the bass coming from my less than optimal sub placement in the wall unit I constructed. While watching our first movie with it my wife even remarked how theater like the sound was.

I am very disapointed that the receiver does not seem to pass the info needed for the Oppo BDP-93 from the Mits 3D adapter. We need the adapter on our 09 Mits 82 DLP. I did bypass the receiver for video (oppo has 2 hdmi out) and 3D works as before. I have mutiple sources though and do not want to continue switching cables, Really the biggest reason for wanting to ugrade was the HDMI switching. Maybe someone has some suggestions.

The IPod dock seems to have some issues as well, think it has to do with the HDMI Sync. The display flashes when changing artists or albums and the display will not come back unless I switch to another input and then back. Have had to shut down receiver at times to gain control of IPod again.

If I could get the switching problems and IPod issues handled I would not be able to take the grin off my face. Untill then, I just remind myself I did not shell out the cash for this thing.

Richard

Just to be sure, you upgrade the firmware? I dont have 3 D but others on here have said it works well.
post #1990 of 8515
I just set up my new A1000 this week.
There is one thing I've noticed..

If I turn on my TV and HD Cable Box then turn on my Receiver, I will get sound through the receiver and TV is mute.

If I reverse that .. as in, turn on Receiver, then turn on Cable/TV. It seems to by pass the Receiver and the TV is playing the sound.
If I press AV2 ( The HDMI in from cable box is in AV 2 ) .. nothing happens..
I would assume the Receiver would take over, and start playing the sound.. But the by-pass feature doesn't disable.. I literally have to turn off the receiver and restart it to take back over.
Also, if everything is on and receiver is in control.. I then turn off TV/Cable .. and not receiver. If I then turn those back on, the receiver is not in control anymore.. it's being by-passed.

Is there something I am missing here??
I would assume, if the Receiver is ON and I press the AV number that is set up for what ever is connected.. It would take over and start playing the sound.
I mean obviously if I have the receiver on Tuner it's not going to take over when I turn on the Cable box.

Edit - I should mention I have not done a Firmware update.. if it's fixed in that - I'd be happy to know.
I do plan on doing it, I just haven't run a cable to network yet.

Also - sorry maybe by-pass - should read "pass through"
post #1991 of 8515
Quote:
Originally Posted by CABALLERO1 View Post

I just set up my new A1000 this week.
There is one thing I've noticed..

If I turn on my TV and HD Cable Box then turn on my Receiver, I will get sound through the receiver and TV is mute.

If I reverse that .. as in, turn on Receiver, then turn on Cable/TV. It seems to by pass the Receiver and the TV is playing the sound.
If I press AV2 ( The HDMI in from cable box is in AV 2 ) .. nothing happens..
I would assume the Receiver would take over, and start playing the sound.. But the by-pass feature doesn't disable.. I literally have to turn off the receiver and restart it to take back over.
Also, if everything is on and receiver is in control.. I then turn off TV/Cable .. and not receiver. If I then turn those back on, the receiver is not in control anymore.. it's being by-passed.

Is there something I am missing here??
I would assume, if the Receiver is ON and I press the AV number that is set up for what ever is connected.. It would take over and start playing the sound.
I mean obviously if I have the receiver on Tuner it's not going to take over when I turn on the Cable box.

Edit - I should mention I have not done a Firmware update.. if it's fixed in that - I'd be happy to know.
I do plan on doing it, I just haven't run a cable to network yet.

Also - sorry maybe by-pass - should read "pass through"

You didn't mention what brand display/TV you are using, but I have had issues in the past with my Samsung... make sure HDMI Control/CEC/Anynet+/VieraLink is off on you display and see if that helps (and also turn it off on the A1000 (HDMI Control.)
post #1992 of 8515
Thanks FilmMixer,

It's a 46" Panasonic Viera Plasma. - purchased about 15 Months ago.

I'll try what you suggested.
post #1993 of 8515
Quote:
Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

With DTS finally ready to release their Neo:X 11.1-channel technology, does anyone expect an announcement soon from Yamaha about an RX-A4000?

If DTS Neo:X is present in a hypothetical 4000 in the first half of 2011, will the 2000/3000 get firmware upgrades to support it? I think they should, given that they are so new, but who knows...

Does Yamaha even support Dolby Pro Logic IIz yet? They seem to favour their home-built feature instead of Dolby/DTS features like Dolby Volume and Dolby Headphone.
post #1994 of 8515
I was a bit surprised they never supported PLIIz, but maybe they were waiting for a full 11.1 solution? Proprietary solutions are OK if they offer equivalent functionality, but right now Yamaha have nothing to compete with Audyssey DSX wide channels. And if DTS manage to get studios to encode height and wide cues directly into sound tracks, then a proprietary Yamaha equivalent will not be as good.

FilmMixer, how likely is it that studios will get on board with DTS Neo:X, and encode content specifically for the extra channels?
post #1995 of 8515
Quote:
Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

FilmMixer, how likely is it that studios will get on board with DTS Neo:X, and encode content specifically for the extra channels?

I am flying out to Vegas today to be on a CES panel about a new sound "standardization" for > 5.1 audio...

One of the other people on the panel with me is the one person who will know the answer...

I am sure it will be most of what he and I talk about...

I'll let you know if there is any news to report when I am back.
post #1996 of 8515
Excellent!
post #1997 of 8515
Quote:
Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

I am flying out to Vegas today to be on a CES panel about a new sound "standardization" for > 5.1 audio... One of the other people on the panel with me is the one person who will know the answer... I am sure it will be most of what he and I talk about... I'll let you know if there is any news to report when I am back.

Just don't come back with an answer that's smaller than 14.2!
post #1998 of 8515
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Originally Posted by mtnsound View Post

Just to be sure, you upgrade the firmware? I dont have 3 D but others on here have said it works well.

Yes I did upgrade the firmware to the latest posted, 2.05 I think. I checked my PS-3 and it plays 3D fine through the receiver. I called Yamaha today and they are looking into it.

Richard
post #1999 of 8515
Quote:
Originally Posted by markabuckley View Post

hows the pure audio quality compare with the Z11 please ? I wouldn't expect it to sound as good - but is it still good ?

I'm looking to upgrade from a Pioneer 59TXi - tried the new Pio elites a while ago but didn't like them in my system (I hear the 37 is good but its a bit too expensive for me to justify - its about 40% more than the 3000)

many thanks

I am also planning to get a new receiver and narrowed down my choices to Pioneer SC-37 and Yamaha A3000. I can see that the prices are equal (Pioneer can be obtained less than MSRP - both Yamaha and Pio can get at similar prices). I have not finalized which one to select.
post #2000 of 8515
Is anyone successfully using the Yamaha with iRule remote & Global Cache IR gateway?
post #2001 of 8515
Quote:
Originally Posted by iknown View Post

I am also planning to get a new receiver and narrowed down my choices to Pioneer SC-37 and Yamaha A3000. I can see that the prices are equal (Pioneer can be obtained less than MSRP - both Yamaha and Pio can get at similar prices). I have not finalized which one to select.

amazing how prices differ from one country to another, the 37 is not discounted in the UK, but the A3000 (3067) is - so whilst the 3067 can be picked up for 1099 the 37 here in UK the 83 is £1650 - £550 difference - which is a lot

if they were same price would be a more difficult choice - I had a SC05 which I wasn't that impressed with but I've heard a lot of good things about the 37.

the A3000 does look a very solid option from Yamaha though - seems to do everything I want it to do - and I like how flexible the amps are inside of it config wise.
post #2002 of 8515
Quote:
Originally Posted by markabuckley; View Post

if they were same price would be a more difficult choice - I had a SC05 which I wasn't that impressed with but I've heard a lot of good things about the 37.

the A3000 does look a very solid option from Yamaha though - seems to do everything I want it to do - and I like how flexible the amps are inside of it config wise.

I agree. I am hearing that Yamaha A3000 is great. The Audioholics review showed the the kind of extensive tests they have done and Yamaha is great. At the sametime, I am hearing great comments about SC-37 too. Now it is getting very hard for me to decide which one to buy.

-iknown
post #2003 of 8515
Quote:
Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

I am flying out to Vegas today to be on a CES panel about a new sound "standardization" for > 5.1 audio...

One of the other people on the panel with me is the one person who will know the answer...

I am sure it will be most of what he and I talk about...

I'll let you know if there is any news to report when I am back.


Looking forward to your report!
post #2004 of 8515
Just this week I upgraded from an RX-V2400 to an RX-A2000. Overall I was very pleased with the receiver. However, I am having a horrible time trying to get my home theatre PC working with it.

I keep getting 2 to 3 second audio dropouts using SPDIF. Sometimes they're frequent, while other times it will work fine for 20 minutes or so. Originally, I had my HTPC hooked-up with a coaxial cable to my RX-V2400 and had absolutely no problems.

When I first noticed the problem with the RX-A2000 I decided to swap out my sound card for something with an optical output thinking maybe it was the noise or coaxial cable itself. The problem persisted.

At this point I figured it might be the OS, so I decided it was a good time to swap out my Vista Media Center for my Windows 7 Media Center that I had already started preparing off to the side. The audio dropouts continued.

Since both of the cards I tried were Creative SoundBlasters (an older X-FI and a brand-spanking new X-FI Titanium HD!) I decided to try a different manufacturer (Auzentech). While it looked like things were working for the first 20 minutes, I started experiencing the dropouts again.

At this point it is driving me absolutely and furiously i n s a n e! Watching the output meter in Windows' sound properties, I can see that audio is still supposedly being sent during dropout periods. There is also no interruption in video and the when the audio returns it remains completely in-sync.

It's not a network issue, and I get dropouts playing every kind of media -- xvid videos, dolby digital dvds and blu-rays, even normal TV. I can see that the receiver occasionally loses sync even at the desktop.

I try to keep the HTPC clean and basic so their isn't much to experiment with. I even disabled my network card and it didn't make any difference.

My home theatre PC is my primary means of watching DVDs and Blu-Rays and this is going to be a real showstopper for me. I'm thinking about trying to rough-in my RX-V2400 again just to see if the problem goes away...but the thought of having to go back to the RX-V2400 is killing me!

Is anyone else using an HTPC with their RX-A#000?
post #2005 of 8515
Hi, I have recently purchased the A3000 but having trouble accessing the amp via my computer I can see it in NETWORK under both media devices and other devices but when i click on it it opens a web page 192.168.15.102 but it is always blank. I have updated the firmware and I can access net radio, I am sure i have forgotton some thing simple. The amp is pligged in to a router which is plugged in to my computer.
post #2006 of 8515
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scruffydave View Post

Hi, I have recently purchased the A3000 but having trouble accessing the amp via my computer I can see it in NETWORK under both media devices and other devices but when i click on it it opens a web page 192.168.15.102 but it is always blank. I have updated the firmware and I can access net radio, I am sure i have forgotton some thing simple. The amp is pligged in to a router which is plugged in to my computer.

Did you manually set an IP address for the receiver? Could help.

And reserve that IP addr on the router. Otherwise, I am not sure (I have the Z7, things could have changed.)
post #2007 of 8515
Quote:
Originally Posted by scruffydave View Post

Hi, I have recently purchased the A3000 but having trouble accessing the amp via my computer I can see it in NETWORK under both media devices and other devices but when i click on it it opens a web page 192.168.15.102 but it is always blank. I have updated the firmware and I can access net radio, I am sure i have forgotton some thing simple. The amp is pligged in to a router which is plugged in to my computer.

You need to set up the amp to accept your computers mac address. Follow the directions for internet set up (pg 103 for the A2000). The amp must be told to accept the internet access, then set up your computer mac address on the amp and your good to go. If you need to find your computers mac address just google "how do i find my mac address".

I use mine daily and it's a blast!
post #2008 of 8515
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolffe72 View Post

Just this week I upgraded from an RX-V2400 to an RX-A2000. Overall I was very pleased with the receiver. However, I am having a horrible time trying to get my home theatre PC working with it.

I keep getting 2 to 3 second audio dropouts using SPDIF. Sometimes they're frequent, while other times it will work fine for 20 minutes or so. Originally, I had my HTPC hooked-up with a coaxial cable to my RX-V2400 and had absolutely no problems.

When I first noticed the problem with the RX-A2000 I decided to swap out my sound card for something with an optical output thinking maybe it was the noise or coaxial cable itself. The problem persisted.

At this point I figured it might be the OS, so I decided it was a good time to swap out my Vista Media Center for my Windows 7 Media Center that I had already started preparing off to the side. The audio dropouts continued.

Since both of the cards I tried were Creative SoundBlasters (an older X-FI and a brand-spanking new X-FI Titanium HD!) I decided to try a different manufacturer (Auzentech). While it looked like things were working for the first 20 minutes, I started experiencing the dropouts again.

At this point it is driving me absolutely and furiously i n s a n e! Watching the output meter in Windows' sound properties, I can see that audio is still supposedly being sent during dropout periods. There is also no interruption in video and the when the audio returns it remains completely in-sync.

It's not a network issue, and I get dropouts playing every kind of media -- xvid videos, dolby digital dvds and blu-rays, even normal TV. I can see that the receiver occasionally loses sync even at the desktop.

I try to keep the HTPC clean and basic so their isn't much to experiment with. I even disabled my network card and it didn't make any difference.

My home theatre PC is my primary means of watching DVDs and Blu-Rays and this is going to be a real showstopper for me. I'm thinking about trying to rough-in my RX-V2400 again just to see if the problem goes away...but the thought of having to go back to the RX-V2400 is killing me!

Is anyone else using an HTPC with their RX-A#000?

I have a second computer hooked up to my RX-A2000 running a optical cable and I have not had any of the issues you mention. What is your operating system? I am running Windows 7.

What are the settings on the yammy for the computer input? What is your tv? How is your tv connected to the yammy?

I have a sneaky suspicion that it is your HDMI TV that is giving the drop outs on the sound. When i am listening to music on my blu ray and turn off or on the TV I get a momentary drop of sound while the yammy acknowledges the presence or lack of signal from the TV.

Try an audio only signal from the yammy to rule out the TV. If the audio still drops when there is no TV on then it is the receiver and the setting need to be tweaked. If there is no audio issue, then look to how you have the TV configure with 1: the yammy and 2: the TV itself.

From Post 1991 - "You didn't mention what brand display/TV you are using, but I have had issues in the past with my Samsung... make sure HDMI Control/CEC/Anynet+/VieraLink is off on you display and see if that helps (and also turn it off on the A1000 (HDMI Control.)"

Best of luck in this.
post #2009 of 8515
Originally Posted by wcmlutz
That is why there are two HDMI outs on these receivers. If you wanted to use both the displays at the same time watching different content, you would need to hook up one of the displays to the component outs and set it up for zone operation.


Quote:
Originally Posted by prado911 View Post

Ok, but i dont wan to see both TV display at the same time with different content, always.
I want to see a Bluray movie or NFL in the big livingroom in 7.1 surround or see in the next small room a Media Center PC movie or youtube content from an apple tv in stereo only. Never at the same time.

Will work for my scene any of these two AVR (RX-A3000 or RX-A2000)?


Nobody ¿?
come on guys!!!!!
post #2010 of 8515
Quote:
Originally Posted by CatTre View Post

I have a second computer hooked up to my RX-A2000 running a optical cable and I have not had any of the issues you mention. What is your operating system? I am running Windows 7.

What are the settings on the yammy for the computer input? What is your tv? How is your tv connected to the yammy?

I have a sneaky suspicion that it is your HDMI TV that is giving the drop outs on the sound. When i am listening to music on my blu ray and turn off or on the TV I get a momentary drop of sound while the yammy acknowledges the presence or lack of signal from the TV.

Try an audio only signal from the yammy to rule out the TV. If the audio still drops when there is no TV on then it is the receiver and the setting need to be tweaked. If there is no audio issue, then look to how you have the TV configure with 1: the yammy and 2: the TV itself.

From Post 1991 - "You didn't mention what brand display/TV you are using, but I have had issues in the past with my Samsung... make sure HDMI Control/CEC/Anynet+/VieraLink is off on you display and see if that helps (and also turn it off on the A1000 (HDMI Control.)"

Best of luck in this.

I'm using a 52" Sharp Aquos LE800 and I'm currently running Windows 7. I'm using an NVidio 9800GT and I've gone through three sound cards: SoundBlaster X-Fi, SoundBlater X-Fi Titanium HD, and now a cheaper Auzentech X-Raider 7.1 just to try a different manufacturer.

I've basically got the PC hooked up via DVI->HDMI to AV1 on the receiver. I then had the sound card connected to the coax input on AV1, and later switched to optical by assigning the TOSLink from Audio 5 to AV1. Both inputs caused the same sort of dropout.

From there I'm running a single HDMI (Monster) out to my TV.

When the audio drops I either see that the speaker indicators go out on the receiver if it's PCM audio, or I'll see DECODER OFF if it's Dolby Digital audio.

What settings can I tweak? I've looked at the settings related to that input and there isn't much. I think they are all set to defaults right now. HDMI control is currently turned off on the receiver... not sure I ever saw that setting on my TV. I will check though!

Last night I turned off the PC entirely so I can test if it's a heat issue this morning. I find it odd that when I first test my "fixes" that everything seems fine initially.

I'm in a tough spot now. I think it's either my PC or my receiver... but everything WAS working fine connected to my RX-V2400.
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