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post #4381 of 8515
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Originally Posted by 720p View Post
Words cannot describe how dissapointed I am. I've waited so many months for nothing. The receiver looks exactly the same, same plastic front, no airplay, zero new features like 4k upscaling... This is the worst "update" if you can even call it that. Shame on you yamaha.
New Features on the 3010:
- ability to turn off the volume display OSD.
- USB direct digital connection for iPhone/iPod
- 9 Amps built in
- full 11.2 Pre-Out
- 10 w per channel more power
- Advanced Graphical User Interface with Status
- Background video feature (for tuner, Net, USB and SIRIUS Satellite Radio)
- android app
- improved design:
post #4382 of 8515
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Originally Posted by farkem View Post
• Multi-channel output in main Zone plus 2-channel HDMI output in a second Zone
For the xx10 series, looks like they added 2 channel mix down for hdmi output to zone 2.
Is this just a rewording of RX-A3000 features page saying: "Multi-channel output in main zone plus 2-channel HDMI output in a second zone"?
post #4383 of 8515
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Originally Posted by Passat3233 View Post

New Features on the 3010:
- android app

The Android app will be a new feature for previous model year Yamaha networked AVRs, too.

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Originally Posted by Passat3233 View Post

- improved design:

How is the A3010 design improved from that of the A3000?

AJ
post #4384 of 8515
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Originally Posted by danjw1 View Post

Is this just a rewording of RX-A3000 features page saying: "Multi-channel output in main zone plus 2-channel HDMI output in a second zone"?

So am I correct is assuming this is just saying that if you use one of the HDMI outputs in second zone it can only have 2 channel audio?
post #4385 of 8515
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Originally Posted by Chamberlin View Post

Second question, how dangerous is it to run all 4 ohm speakers in this setup? I did the advanced speaker setting to set the mains etc to 6 ohm from 8 ohm, but I've got a huge investment of M&K speakers here, and all of them are 4 ohm nominal. I've got plenty of spare amps and old receivers, but it would seem to be a waste to pre-out all the channels into different style amps., tonality, levels, ect.
Thnx
Old Schooler

I think...with the set you have and the fact that you have some extra amps lying around
Use the pre outs of the Yamaha and utilize your separate amps

I am not sure I have ever heard a receiver that could do better..power wise...than just about any separate amp


Warren
post #4386 of 8515
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Originally Posted by Passat3233 View Post

New Features on the 3010:
- ability to turn off the volume display OSD.
- USB direct digital connection for iPhone/iPod
- 9 Amps built in
- full 11.2 Pre-Out
- 10 w per channel more power
- Advanced Graphical User Interface with Status
- Background video feature (for tuner, Net, USB and SIRIUS Satellite Radio)
- android app
- improved design:

For me

I can see any of that adding the value difference in what you will likely have to pay for the two units

Seeing all the Newgg deals on the now disconnected A series

is the 3010 worth the several hundred dollars difference you will actually probably have to pay over the A3000

The ONLY thing from that group that would make me say yes is a definite improvement in sound quality

The other stuff counts as added "tricks" to me...and sound quality beats tricks 7 days a week in my book


Warren
post #4387 of 8515
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Originally Posted by sa View Post

Why didn't they add AirPlay to the new models? They've got pretty much everything else...

Apple has a tendency to change standards many times over the life of say.. the tech spec life of the ubiquitous HDMI ports we Aventage owners have in abundance. I say this because.. for $99 you can get the Apple TV and you will get all the AirPlay capability you want. Then when Apple comes out with AirPlay 2 for the Apple TV you won't be have to buy a new receiver. I laugh when I see Windows 7, or Rhapsody. I will be using my RX-a2000 long after Windows 9 or whatever comes out.

Trust me.. when iCloud comes fully online this fall, it will make even more sense (for Yamaha not to try and keep up with Apple only specs)
post #4388 of 8515
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

For me

I can see any of that adding the value difference in what you will likely have to pay for the two units

Seeing all the Newgg deals on the now disconnected A series

is the 3010 worth the several hundred dollars difference you will actually probably have to pay over the A3000

The ONLY thing from that group that would make me say yes is a definite improvement in sound quality

The other stuff counts as added "tricks" to me...and sound quality beats tricks 7 days a week in my book


Warren

I don't see anything from the list that improves sound quality unless you think adding two extra amps gives you the ability to add more speakers without adding a second amp unit. The increase in 10w per channel is not a big difference from 140w.
post #4389 of 8515
Wow what a horrible name. iTunes users go at it:

I am using it with my RX-A2000. Zero config. Works great.
Seems easier to use than the old Aventage app.

[Free] Yamaha AV Controller iTunes link
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/av-co...418512183?mt=8

turn your iPhone/iPad into a Wi-Fi enabled remote control for select YAMAHA network products.

Compatible Yamaha models (v1.03):
RX-V771, RX-V761
RX-A3000, RX-A2000, RX-A1000
RX-V3067, RX-V2067, RX-V1067, RX-V867
HTR-9063, HTR-8063
RX-V2065, RX-V3900, DSP-AX3900, FX-Z7, DSP-Z7, HTR-6295

Yamaha Blu-ray Players
BD-S671
BD-A1000, BD-S1067


post #4390 of 8515
I've looked and can not find one. Does anyone here know if there is an AVS thread for iTunes? Apple forums are not that good.
post #4391 of 8515
New Features on the 3010:
- ability to turn off the volume display OSD. My yamaha receiver doesn't even have volume osd which is how I like it, imagine the osd popping up on my 133" screen a million times during movie watching as I do 0.5db adjustmens
- USB direct digital connection for iPhone/iPod I don't want a "direct connection"! My iphone/ipad should be in my hands while I lie/sit on the coutch, walk outside in the garden, go in the kitchen for a snack, etc using AirPlay
- 9 Amps built in I have a 5.1 setup, 50 amps wouldn't make a difference
- full 11.2 Pre-Out See above
- 10 w per channel more power Ooooh massive gains, they don't even list power at 5 channels driven which judging on my old yamaha receiver now must be close to 40-60w per channel
- Advanced Graphical User Interface with Status Interested in audio and video quality. This receiver uses the old video chip of the last receiver. Total fail improving the osd and leaving the video as is.
- Background video feature (for tuner, Net, USB and SIRIUS Satellite Radio) Thanks but no thanks, don't care for any of these
- android app Apple man myself, no droids in the house
- improved design: Looks the same to my tired old eyes (small pic). Is the fascia metal like my old receiver or plastic like the latest fashion?


Thank for the list but this just proves me point.
post #4392 of 8515
I've been waiting for 2 years for a new receiver and now this THING!!

I have a RX-Z11 and I want a replacement for it, but this RX-A3010 is a joke.

I want 11 channels built in, not the 9 channels. I want DTS NEO X, this would be so simple to implement, but they didn't. I would pay a higher price for a flagship receiver, but I wouldn't buy this RX-A3010 even for US$1000.00.

My only hope right now is for a flagship to be announced soon.
post #4393 of 8515
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Originally Posted by 720p View Post

Words cannot describe how dissapointed I am. I've waited so many months for nothing. The receiver looks exactly the same, same plastic front, no airplay, zero new features like 4k upscaling... This is the worst "update" if you can even call it that. Shame on you yamaha.

It's a speed bump, as it were. The 3010 should be considered a tweaked 3000 with a few enhancements. The physical design isn't likely to change as dramatically as you'd like to think it would (nor should it).

The main attractions are going to be the 11.2 preout sections and OSD updates. The OSD update should have been provided to the original 3000, and that's where Yamaha is failing: Inside these AVRs are nigh identical minus the new preouts and slightly improved zone configuration flexibility. Most of what the new 3010 has could be accomplished in firmware alone. The rest is pure gravy.

And let me get this straight: You're complaining that a receiver that costs three thousand five hundred dollars less at launch than the Z11 did and has more flexibility is a bad thing? For its price range, you're not going to easily beat it. In fact, you won't beat it in that price range. Not even the Onkyos can do so yet.

I also wouldn't be complaining about the HQV Vida chip in use. It's unbelievably good. And I don't exactly see any update to it at its price point right now, do you?

You want more for less, and hey, I won't argue that - we all want more for less. But what you're expecting is beyond stupidly absurd given the price point for this model line.

Right now the only people who have any right to complain are the early adopters that got the 3000 (like myself) and who aren't getting the updated OSD or USB iPod/iPhone capability, both of which could be accomplished via firmware.
post #4394 of 8515
what's with Yamaha not having THX Loudness Plus, Dolby Volume etc in its top of the line models like the 3010 ? anyone know why ?
post #4395 of 8515
Squishy Tia I'm complaining because I have waited for so many months for a NEW receiver and instead we get what the 3000 should have been all along. The 3010 is at best a 2009/2010 receiver, it is certainly not a 2011/2012 receiver. It is a joke. Yamaha should have firmware upgraded the osd and airplay for the 3000 (like denon/etc. did) and then released a proper successor not this "mild facelift" model. I agree the vida chip is the best and I would buy a 3000 with airplay LAST YEAR. This year my receiver better have 4k upscaling and whatnot, features found in new low end onkyos for example. If yamaha offered 3000 with airplay (and volume osd off) I would buy today without hesitation, but there is no way in hell I'm buying a 3010 without airplay and for a higher price with a bunch of useless "new" features.

nickba this line of receivers is NOT a replacement for the Z series and should not be considered as such. I know there have been no replacements for z7/z11 and yamaha seems to have abandoned them. Personally I don't care as I can't afford them but I understand the frustration of those who can.

rana_kirti there is a long long list of things they don't have. Feature wise these "new" receiver are a total disaster. Better look elsewhere.
post #4396 of 8515
The A3010... Am i supposed to be impressed...? some one tell me....
post #4397 of 8515
I'm still trying to wrap my head around your insistence on 2k x 4k upscaling when almost zero displays, and NO TVs support it yet. 2k x 4k isn't going to even matter one iota for about four to five years.
post #4398 of 8515
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Originally Posted by ptalar View Post

I don't see anything from the list that improves sound quality unless you think adding two extra amps gives you the ability to add more speakers without adding a second amp unit. The increase in 10w per channel is not a big difference from 140w.

that is if there is really even a 10W difference
The A3000 is no powerhouse and I expect the A3010 to be the same

I run 5.1 with my A3000 and really only listen to discrete channels...so those umpteen channels are a moot point to me


Warren
post #4399 of 8515
The bigger power supply needed for 9 channels could well mean significantly more than a 10W per channel improvement in a 5.1 or 7.1 setup.

Network features will always be lacking in a receiver (especially if you keep it for a few years and technology moves on). So better to add a separate box to handle Airplay etc., then it can be upgraded as needed.

By biggest beef is the fact that Yamaha seem to have stopped licensing new Dolby and DTS technologies (with DTS Neo:X being the latest).
post #4400 of 8515
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Originally Posted by ptalar View Post

I don't see anything from the list that improves sound quality unless you think adding two extra amps gives you the ability to add more speakers without adding a second amp unit. The increase in 10w per channel is not a big difference from 140w.

That's why I'm thinking adding an Emotiva or Outlaw amp to my RX-V1800 and hold off the AVR upgrade a bit longer...I'm not a 3D fan so the upgrade is not a must for now. sound quality/power is my priority when upgrading.
post #4401 of 8515
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post


I think...with the set you have and the fact that you have some extra amps lying around
Use the pre outs of the Yamaha and utilize your separate amps

I am not sure I have ever heard a receiver that could do better..power wise...than just about any separate amp

Warren

Thnx for the reply Warren- after playing with the configuration for quite a while last night, I'm not sure I even care if the amps fry due to low impedence speakers- I'm pretty bummed that there are no apparent sound field modes that utilize the front presence speakers at the same time as the rear back speakers (speaker in my case). So far, the only setting that engages the rear back at all, is 7 ch stereo mode! I might be able to just hook up that speaker as a single rear presence channel and amp it separately, but that's not how I wanted things to work, especially after the speaker setup allows for my physical configuration, but doesn't have any sound fields to utilize it! I just found the 'options' menu and there is some Dolby IIx and DTS ES/EX stuff in there to play with, but I have doubts they are the solution to my dilema...
post #4402 of 8515
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Originally Posted by Chamberlin View Post

Thnx for the reply Warren- after playing with the configuration for quite a while last night, I'm not sure I even care if the amps fry due to low impedence speakers- I'm pretty bummed that there are no apparent sound field modes that utilize the front presence speakers at the same time as the rear back speakers (speaker in my case). So far, the only setting that engages the rear back at all, is 7 ch stereo mode! I might be able to just hook up that speaker as a single rear presence channel and amp it separately, but that's not how I wanted things to work, especially after the speaker setup allows for my physical configuration, but doesn't have any sound fields to utilize it! I just found the 'options' menu and there is some Dolby IIx and DTS ES/EX stuff in there to play with, but I have doubts they are the solution to my dilema...

Try using the surround Adventure and watch either Apocalypse Now or Reign of Fire - both of these movies bring the front precesnce speakers to life. The overall effects of the presence speakers are small until the action takes you up in the air. I really noticed the prescence spekaers in a WoW moment with these two movies. I don't have a center back speaker so I can't speak for that but if it is to work in a movie either of the these two should do it!
post #4403 of 8515
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Originally Posted by Squishy Tia View Post

Comparing the 3010 with the 3000, the three main improvements would seem to be the USB front port being iPod compatible (why no firmware update for that on the 3000?), the 11.2 native pre-out (this I'd like), and a new "advanced GUI".

I'm not sure if the "advanced GUI" is anything new, aside from apparently being able to disable volume control overlay. The RX-A3000 has 11.2 pre-outs, although the rear presence shares the same jacks as the zone 3 line-out.

The direct connection of iPods and iPhones to the front USB connector could've very likely been added to previous Yamaha models via a firmware update, but it wouldn't have been free. I'm pretty Apple requires that Yamaha pay a licencing fee for every 2011 receiver they sell with this feature.
post #4404 of 8515
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

I'm pretty Apple requires that Yamaha pay a licencing fee for every 2011 receiver they sell with this feature.

I would kill for airplay in my receiver (one more comment about atv2 I'm going bezerk) let alone pay the 50 bucks. http://usa.denon.com/us/Airplayus/index.html I'm sure others would agree (with the price bit)
EDIT: So as not to confuse anyone denon/marantz/pioneer* offer airplay for free as they do care about their customers, it is just the older models that require a 50 bucks one time upgrade fee. Ofcourse if you are weird and do not have iphone and don't care about airplay you won't have to spend the 50 bucks.

*Pioneer offers airplay in a receiver costing $550. Guess what you get for your $2000 at yamaha? That's right a usb port and the privilege to buy their useless ipod accessories but no airplay, that would be too e x p e n s i v e, licenses and all that. Shame on you yamaha.
post #4405 of 8515
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Originally Posted by CatTre View Post

Try using the surround Adventure and watch either Apocalypse Now or Reign of Fire - both of these movies bring the front precesnce speakers to life. The overall effects of the presence speakers are small until the action takes you up in the air. I really noticed the prescence spekaers in a WoW moment with these two movies. I don't have a center back speaker so I can't speak for that but if it is to work in a movie either of the these two should do it!

would you know how the Yamaha Presence differs from Aud DSX/Dolby IIz or are they all the same and do the same things ?

Regards,

Rana
post #4406 of 8515
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Originally Posted by Squishy Tia View Post

The main attractions are going to be the 11.2 preout sections and OSD updates. The OSD update should have been provided to the original 3000, and that's where Yamaha is failing: Inside these AVRs are nigh identical minus the new preouts and slightly improved zone configuration flexibility. Most of what the new 3010 has could be accomplished in firmware alone. The rest is pure gravy.

You missed the 2 additional amplifiers.

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Originally Posted by Squishy Tia View Post

Right now the only people who have any right to complain are the early adopters that got the 3000 (like myself) and who aren't getting the updated OSD or USB iPod/iPhone capability, both of which could be accomplished via firmware.

The direct connection of the iPod/iPhone maybe an issue of having to pay Apple a license fee. In which case, I can understand not wanting to push an update for older users.
post #4407 of 8515
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Originally Posted by 720p View Post

I would kill for airplay in my receiver (one more comment about atv2 I'm going bezerk) let alone pay the 50 bucks. http://usa.denon.com/us/Airplayus/index.html I'm sure others would agree (with the price bit)
EDIT: So as not to confuse anyone denon/marantz/pioneer* offer airplay for free as they do care about their customers, it is just the older models that require a 50 bucks one time upgrade fee. Ofcourse if you are weird and do not have iphone and don't care about airplay you won't have to spend the 50 bucks.

*Pioneer offers airplay in a receiver costing $550. Guess what you get for your $2000 at yamaha? That's right a usb port and the privilege to buy their useless ipod accessories but no airplay, that would be too e x p e n s i v e, licenses and all that. Shame on you yamaha.

Ok, so buy one of the others. I have an Android phone, so, I don't care about airplay. I do have an iPod Nano. Some of us aren't all about Apple, and chose products based on the best fit for us. I think the Yamaha would be a good fit for me. If you don't think it is the right fit for you, why are you posting on this thread? You mention other products that have the feature you seem to think is absolutely critical, so why not spend your time on the threads about those products?
post #4408 of 8515
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Originally Posted by 720p View Post

EDIT: So as not to confuse anyone denon/marantz/pioneer* offer airplay for free as they do care about their customers, it is just the older models that require a 50 bucks one time upgrade fee. Ofcourse if you are weird and do not have iphone and don't care about airplay you won't have to spend the 50 bucks.

The fact that they require a $50 fee, and required it shortly after the xx11 line was released, well before the xx12 came out, actually means that Denon doesn't care about its customers.

BTW, there's nothing weird about not having an iPhone. You've heard of Android, right? In total, Android devices outsell iPhone. Just an FYI.

In my case, I have an iPhone, but don't use it for music. At home, I use the A3000 to stream from my PC, Pandora, SiriusXM, and/or Internet Radio. I don't need to connect my iPhone via cable, dock, or airplay. So, Airplay is just a useless feature to me. No doubt, I am not the only one.
post #4409 of 8515
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Originally Posted by rana_kirti View Post

what's with Yamaha not having THX Loudness Plus, Dolby Volume etc in its top of the line models like the 3010 ? anyone know why ?

Maybe they just wanna tick off the trendoids and fanboys who jump on every meaningless fad and latest buzzword they read about in a forum or audiophile site.

Or, they actually know and care about things that matter, and feel they can continue to do quite well attracting customers who do the same.
post #4410 of 8515
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Originally Posted by nickba View Post

I've been waiting for 2 years for a new receiver and now this THING!!

I have a RX-Z11 and I want a replacement for it, but this RX-A3010 is a joke.

I want 11 channels built in, not the 9 channels. I want DTS NEO X, this would be so simple to implement, but they didn't. I would pay a higher price for a flagship receiver, but I wouldn't buy this RX-A3010 even for US$1000.00.

My only hope right now is for a flagship to be announced soon.

The 3010 is neither a "THING" nor a joke. It is a respectable AVR, and a good value at it's price point. (which, BTW, is approx 1/3 of the Z11 when it was current.)

Here's a wild idea. Buy a Denon, Onkyo, or Pioneer flagship model, which include the features you want, and are comparable to the Z11 in price and performance. Or, does your Visa card only allow you to purchase Yamaha products?
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