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post #6721 of 8546
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Originally Posted by astrallite View Post


And that's why I don't get why major retailers/etailers don't double box rather than just ship an expensive piece of electronics in its factory box, proudly proclaiming "60" TV."

All you do is save a dollar or two per shipment, is that worth the tradeoff of losing $4000 (loss of product + reimbursement)? I don't get it

Given quantity I'm sure they get across the board insurance.
post #6722 of 8546
Hi, I am currently deciding between a Yamaha RXA2000($1000) or RXA3010($1600). Both new in box. Looking for suggestions as to the better deal of the two. Dealers recommendations are the RXA3010 has better video processing, more audio features and capable to do rear presence speakers. The extra features of the RXA3010 I don't mind having in case I put the rear presence speakers but is $600 worth the extra features over the RXA2000? Any comments are appreciated regarding features, value or any suggestions at all. Thanks
post #6723 of 8546
The 3010 is also friendlier for i-devices from Apple, if that is an issue (though, by itself, that would not make me pay 600$). If you want more flexibility for powered zones, the 3010 would give you that.

On the other hand, 600$ buys a lot of media, a decent subwoofer or many other things (not necessarily audio related) and if extra powered zones, Apple devices and extra controls for video calibration don't matter too much, the 2000 is also an excellent option. (My understanding is the 3000/3010 models offer more access to controls for video processing, not necessarily better processing in and of itself--though I'm no expert and others will very likely elaborate on this).
post #6724 of 8546
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Originally Posted by davidse04 View Post

Hi, I am currently deciding between a Yamaha RXA2000($1000) or RXA3010($1600). Both new in box. Looking for suggestions as to the better deal of the two. Dealers recommendations are the RXA3010 has better video processing, more audio features and capable to do rear presence speakers. The extra features of the RXA3010 I don't mind having in case I put the rear presence speakers but is $600 worth the extra features over the RXA2000? Any comments are appreciated regarding features, value or any suggestions at all. Thanks

You can see a direct comparison of features on Yamaha's website here.
post #6725 of 8546
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Originally Posted by astrallite View Post

And that's why I don't get why major retailers/etailers don't double box rather than just ship an expensive piece of electronics in its factory box, proudly proclaiming "60" TV."

All you do is save a dollar or two per shipment, is that worth the tradeoff of losing $4000 (loss of product + reimbursement)? I don't get it

Amazon tends to do this, though I have bought some larger items they didn't do it with. But, they have it insured, so it isn't that big a deal to them.
post #6726 of 8546
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Originally Posted by astrallite View Post

And that's why I don't get why major retailers/etailers don't double box rather than just ship an expensive piece of electronics in its factory box, proudly proclaiming "60" TV."

All you do is save a dollar or two per shipment, is that worth the tradeoff of losing $4000 (loss of product + reimbursement)? I don't get it

The cost to double box an item is substantial. That 60" TV example would cost well over $50 to double box properly, even with Amazon's incredible leverage. You or I trying to do it would be well over $100 added.

Think about it... cost of box, packing, labor to double box, increased weight and size for cost of shipping.

Amazon knows what they are doing.
post #6727 of 8546
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Originally Posted by davidse04 View Post

Hi, I am currently deciding between a Yamaha RXA2000($1000) or RXA3010($1600). Both new in box. Looking for suggestions as to the better deal of the two. Dealers recommendations are the RXA3010 has better video processing, more audio features and capable to do rear presence speakers. The extra features of the RXA3010 I don't mind having in case I put the rear presence speakers but is $600 worth the extra features over the RXA2000? Any comments are appreciated regarding features, value or any suggestions at all. Thanks

I'm quite happy with my A2000 and I don't think I'll get the upgrade bug biting for quite some time.
post #6728 of 8546
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Originally Posted by davidse04 View Post

Hi, I am currently deciding between a Yamaha RXA2000($1000) or RXA3010($1600). Both new in box. Looking for suggestions as to the better deal of the two. Dealers recommendations are the RXA3010 has better video processing, more audio features and capable to do rear presence speakers. The extra features of the RXA3010 I don't mind having in case I put the rear presence speakers but is $600 worth the extra features over the RXA2000? Any comments are appreciated regarding features, value or any suggestions at all. Thanks

Just get a RXA-3000, and you'll be quite happy
post #6729 of 8546
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Originally Posted by Slare View Post

The cost to double box an item is substantial. That 60" TV example would cost well over $50 to double box properly, even with Amazon's incredible leverage. You or I trying to do it would be well over $100 added.

Think about it... cost of box, packing, labor to double box, increased weight and size for cost of shipping.

Amazon knows what they are doing.

Electronics Expo double-boxed my RX-A1000. UPS delivered it to my friend's place in perfect condition. I actually used the same box to check it in when I flew back to South America.

VMat
post #6730 of 8546
Newegg has the 3000 on special again this time with a promo code for anyone that missed it a couple of weeks ago. Not quite as cheap but pretty close.
post #6731 of 8546
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Originally Posted by sebberry View Post

I'm quite happy with my A2000 and I don't think I'll get the upgrade bug biting for quite some time.

I have two of the same generation (RX-Vx71|RX-Ax00) Yamaha AVRs . . . and I feel the same way.

[But with 2012 International CES in just 28 days (January 10-13, 2012), I can already feel my resolve starting to weaken...!? ]
post #6732 of 8546
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Originally Posted by Parrot_HD View Post

Newegg has the 3000 on special again this time with a promo code for anyone that missed it a couple of weeks ago. Not quite as cheap but pretty close.

Woohoo. Ordered!
post #6733 of 8546
Seriously considering the a3000 for this price. However, what are your opinions regarding an Emotiva amp set up in place of the a3000? I'm not that adept in the a/v world yet but want to upgrade my antiquated equipment.
post #6734 of 8546
Here's my dilemma. I just bought an rx-a1010 at BB. It was $899. I'm seriously considering taking it back and going with this a3000. I need opinions on if I should make the move or not. I've already gone through a Onkyo 809, Denon 3312, and now this Yamaha which is much better than those 2 IMO. I've never bought from Newegg but I know they are authorized. Should I make the move?
post #6735 of 8546
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Originally Posted by drewg74 View Post

Here's my dilemma. I just bought an rx-a1010 at BB. It was $899. I'm seriously considering taking it back and going with this a3000. I need opinions on if I should make the move or not. I've already gone through a Onkyo 809, Denon 3312, and now this Yamaha which is much better than those 2 IMO. I've never bought from Newegg but I know they are authorized. Should I make the move?

The A3000 would be a couple of steps up over the 1010 IMO. Your BB have one of the A3000's left? If they do trade em even for it. If they don't I would go for the A3000.
post #6736 of 8546
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Originally Posted by drewg74 View Post

Here's my dilemma. I just bought an rx-a1010 at BB. It was $899. I'm seriously considering taking it back and going with this a3000. I need opinions on if I should make the move or not. I've already gone through a Onkyo 809, Denon 3312, and now this Yamaha which is much better than those 2 IMO. I've never bought from Newegg but I know they are authorized. Should I make the move?

If it's not too late, I would go with the A3000 as well.

As far as ordering from Newegg, I received mine in two days using their free shipping. FYI..At checkout they offered expedited processing which I did not select and I still received the unit from the east coast in two days.
post #6737 of 8546
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Originally Posted by swimman66 View Post

Seriously considering the a3000 for this price. However, what are your opinions regarding an Emotiva amp set up in place of the a3000? I'm not that adept in the a/v world yet but want to upgrade my antiquated equipment.

Have you read the review at Audioholics on the A3000 yet?

According to their test results, in 2-channel mode the Yamaha will hold it's own against the Emotiva UPA-7 with it's power output to four ohm speakers. All channel driven is a different story compared to a dedicated Emotiva amplifier due to a limiter Yamaha has in place.

I have a decent size family room that is open to the Living room on one side and have been more than pleased with multi-channel output power. Never found it lacking dynamically.

When I originally hooked up my current system I had a THX certified Carver amplifer in place for powering my speakers but have since removed it form the setup in favor of using the Yamaha built-in amplification.
post #6738 of 8546
Just took advantage of Newegg's Rx-a3000 sale this morning. I'm upgrading from an Rx-v2700. Does anybody have experience with these two receivers? Will I notice any audio or video improvements or will the upgrade just be more of an upgrade in options/features/flexibility?

Also.... Does anybody think I'll regret not holding out for the Rx-a3010?
post #6739 of 8546
Thanks for the input Parrot. I have read the Audioholics review and that's why I am seriously considering the 3000. Sounds like your family room is very similar to mine with an open side and I'm sure the 3000 would work well. Decisions, decisions.

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Originally Posted by Parrot_HD View Post

Have you read the review at Audioholics on the A3000 yet?

According to their test results, in 2-channel mode the Yamaha will hold it's own against the Emotiva UPA-7 with it's power output to four ohm speakers. All channel driven is a different story compared to a dedicated Emotiva amplifier due to a limiter Yamaha has in place.

I have a decent size family room that is open to the Living room on one side and have been more than pleased with multi-channel output power. Never found it lacking dynamically.

When I originally hooked up my current system I had a THX certified Carver amplifer in place for powering my speakers but have since removed it form the setup in favor of using the Yamaha built-in amplification.
post #6740 of 8546
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Originally Posted by wolfyncsu7 View Post

Just took advantage of Newegg's Rx-a3000 sale this morning. I'm upgrading from an Rx-v2700. Does anybody have experience with these two receivers? Will I notice any audio or video improvements or will the upgrade just be more of an upgrade in options/features/flexibility?

Also.... Does anybody think I'll regret not holding out for the Rx-a3010?

Only if you plan in the future to do either 9.2 or 11.2.
post #6741 of 8546
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Originally Posted by Parrot_HD View Post


If it's not too late, I would go with the A3000 as well.

As far as ordering from Newegg, I received mine in two days using their free shipping. FYI..At checkout they offered expedited processing which I did not select and I still received the unit from the east coast in two days.

Thanks Phantom and Parrot. It'll be my 2nd return to BB. That shouldn't be a problem getting a full refund should it? I'd hate to buy the 3000 and take back my 1010 only to have them give me store credit.
post #6742 of 8546
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Originally Posted by drewg74 View Post

Thanks Phantom and Parrot. It'll be my 2nd return to BB. That shouldn't be a problem getting a full refund should it? I'd hate to buy the 3000 and take back my 1010 only to have them give me store credit.

That kind of store credit would be good for a heck of a lot of BD's and other things. May be hard to explain to the significant other but its easier to beg forgiveness than to ask for it to begin with.
post #6743 of 8546
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Originally Posted by drewg74 View Post

Thanks Phantom and Parrot. It'll be my 2nd return to BB. That shouldn't be a problem getting a full refund should it? I'd hate to buy the 3000 and take back my 1010 only to have them give me store credit.

I'm not familiar with Best Buy's return policy but better be safe than sorry, if I were in your position I would pack up the 1010 tonight and see if they'll give you a refund.

Worse case scenario is that you have to keep the 1010 which is still an awesome receiver and enjoy it.
post #6744 of 8546
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Originally Posted by wolfyncsu7 View Post

Just took advantage of Newegg's Rx-a3000 sale this morning. I'm upgrading from an Rx-v2700. Does anybody have experience with these two receivers? Will I notice any audio or video improvements or will the upgrade just be more of an upgrade in options/features/flexibility?

Also.... Does anybody think I'll regret not holding out for the Rx-a3010?

I don't have any experience with the 2700, but did use the model before it (2600) for quite a while. The upgrade to the A3000 would be for a much better version of YPAO, a better video processor if you use that, and networking among a few other things. The difference in sound may be minimal at most but the other bells and whistles may sway you to keep the A3000. Very flexible, reliable as usual and well made as you know. You should notice the upgrade in video easily and as you stated the options/features/flexibility. That would be about it IMO. I have a A3000 in the house but am using a new H/K 7550HD in its place. Hope this helps in some way. As for holding out for the 3010, you may regret it if in the future you want to go to 9.2 or 11.2. The 3010 gives you 9.2 right now. The A3000 requires an additional amp to do that or 11.2. Kind of hard to figure if the A3010 will drop in prices as fast as the A3000.
post #6745 of 8546
Well I got a reply from Yamaha Canada regarding the A2010 I just purchased and that I am returning to Yamaha after owning Denon for some 6 years - this is the reply I get from customer care in canada. you would think they would remember me after replacing my S2500 three times and the last time I just left it at the repair shop cause they could not fix it and yamaha would not cover it again (still in warranty)

"Hi, Thank you for contacting Yamaha AV Service.Sorry, it looks like this model does not have the features you want. Regards Yamaha Technical Support Team"

No mention of the screw up listing features the unit does not have in the cdn model and to find out you have to buy it set it up and then use a fine tooth comb to dig it out of the small print in the appendix. Why not just offer me a US model A2010 that has the features to keep me as a customer. OH well stopping at the dealers on the way home tonight to discuss returning the unit.

Rgds,

Dave
post #6746 of 8546
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Originally Posted by darcman View Post

Yes thats right, DHL lost my A3000. I bought the A3000 for $899 off Amazon on black thursday, Newegg doesnt ship to Canada. Shipping was pricey and was 3-5 day priority international. The receiver shipped on Nov 25 and was supposed to be delivered on Nov 29. DHL tracking showed that it cleared customs in Richmond, BC on the morning of Nov 28. It didnt show up on Nov 29 nor the 30th. I phoned to see what the problem was, so DHL put a trace on the receiver. A DHL guy phone me 2 days later to say that it didnt clear customs and they were checking with Seattle. A week after I made the initial enquiry DHL said that it was officially declared lost.
Amazon refunded me the money as they didnt have anymore in stock, Amazon Export Sales sold them all on black thursday.
How do you lose a large package like the A3000, its not like its a ring box. So as far as I can figure, some scummer DHL guy has a new receiver.

First: The AVR ships in its own box that has "Yamaha RX-A3000 Audio Video Receiver" written clearly on it. Well, at least my A2000 from Newegg did.

Second: Thieving shippers have their general methods of stealing items and they are fairly easy to do all day long even for blue-collar workers. My $1700 HP laptop was stolen in this manner by UPS driver, however, I was craftier than him and WAY more aggressive about hunting down the culprit than he probably expected.
"It fell off the truck" normally means it was taken in an area with no security which I don't think is very likely with a tracked shipment.
I am actually fairly positive you could pursue this and at least get the perp caught.

My short story: 2 receiving locations at my office, new driver (previous driver was impeccably honest). Driver "delivered" 3 boxes to 2nd location while I sat waiting for my lappy in the 1st Main location. Wondered where my shipment was, checked online, saw it signed for. I went to the signer, who told me the guy told her "there were 2 boxes." There were actually 3 in the docket for us, with the 3rd being my laptop he opened in the truck.
In most cases, I'd be screwed, as a UPS driver delivered "3 packages" to a high traffic area that was properly signed for. I don't know how I could dispute receiving a package we had signed for.
Thankfully at our point of contact we have security cameras...which I reviewed and saw him stall in his truck for 8 minutes, then exit the vehicle with 2 packages. I knew his game, I called UPS with what I knew, 7 hours at 8:45 the driver called me asking if we were still open to deliver a package he had misplaced in the truck earlier that day. I could have given him the benefit of the doubt, except that I knew he specifically told our lady he was delivering 2 packages. When he showed up with it, the box was opened and he claimed there was damage to the box and he further opened it to make sure the contents were ok. I'd say he played it very cool, including advising me to reject the delivery noting the package is damaged and the seller will just refund or resend an item no problem.

My point: where there is a will there is a way. There can't be many places the package could have been moved through that wasn't under survelliance.
Politely, I would ask for the last place it was seen/tracked and move up in aggression from there. Eventually you should get the building it was last in and demand that video footage be reviewed or which driver the package was last with.
post #6747 of 8546
hey guys, I admit to being a complete audio novice. Please bear with me.

Eventually I will have an rx-a3000 powering a 5.0 system (Goldenear TritonCinema with Supersat50's replacing the SS3 satellites). Would it be possible to add a 2-channel power amp, like the Emotiva XPA-2, to power the towers and leave the yamaha powering the center and two surrounds? Or is that not an advised setup?

Am I better off just going with the XPA-5 to power all the speakers?
post #6748 of 8546
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Originally Posted by crankbearing View Post

No mention of the screw up listing features the unit does not have in the cdn model and to find out you have to buy it set it up and then use a fine tooth comb to dig it out of the small print in the appendix. Why not just offer me a US model A2010 that has the features to keep me as a customer. OH well stopping at the dealers on the way home tonight to discuss returning the unit.

The features listed on the Canadian Yamaha WWW site look correct. What features of the of the American RX-A2010 would actually keep you as a customer? As far as I know the only feature that Canadian model is missing that might work where you live in Ottawa is the jack for an external Sirius satellite tuner.

If it's HD Radio, Pandora or Rhapsody then these don't work in most of Canada, so there's no reason for the Canadian model to include them. The are no stations broadcasting in HD Radio in Canada, you'd need to live close to the border to get a strong enough signal from an American HD Radio station. Internet music services like Pandora and Rhapsody will block your IP address since they haven't licenced their music for use in Canada.

If you still really want an American model you'll have to order one from the US. Yamaha Canada isn't going to have any in stock to send you just to keep you happy. You might be able to get RX-A2000, or even an RX-A3000 for less than what you paid for the RX-A2010, even after including shipping, USD exchange, duties and taxes.
post #6749 of 8546
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Originally Posted by Big Hath View Post

hey guys, I admit to being a complete audio novice. Please bear with me.

Eventually I will have an rx-a3000 powering a 5.0 system (Goldenear TritonCinema with Supersat50's replacing the SS3 satellites). Would it be possible to add a 2-channel power amp, like the Emotiva XPA-2, to power the towers and leave the yamaha powering the center and two surrounds? Or is that not an advised setup?

Am I better off just going with the XPA-5 to power all the speakers?

Yes you can do this. I would let the A3000 do it by itself first though and see if it handles it okay. You may be surprised at the sound from the AVR alone. If you feel it needs the extra boost then try the XPA2 and see if it does indeed do what you want. If not you can always send the XPA2 back minus shipping I believe. Only way to find out for yourself though is to try it in your room. It what makes you happy that counts. But the setup you want to try is easily configured without any harm done. Just to your wallet. Good luck and enjoy.
post #6750 of 8546
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Originally Posted by Cravit8 View Post

First: The AVR ships in its own box that has "Yamaha RX-A3000 Audio Video Receiver" written clearly on it. Well, at least my A2000 from Newegg did.

Second: Thieving shippers have their general methods of stealing items and they are fairly easy to do all day long even for blue-collar workers. My $1700 HP laptop was stolen in this manner by UPS driver, however, I was craftier than him and WAY more aggressive about hunting down the culprit than he probably expected.
"It fell off the truck" normally means it was taken in an area with no security which I don't think is very likely with a tracked shipment.
I am actually fairly positive you could pursue this and at least get the perp caught.

My short story: 2 receiving locations at my office, new driver (previous driver was impeccably honest). Driver "delivered" 3 boxes to 2nd location while I sat waiting for my lappy in the 1st Main location. Wondered where my shipment was, checked online, saw it signed for. I went to the signer, who told me the guy told her "there were 2 boxes." There were actually 3 in the docket for us, with the 3rd being my laptop he opened in the truck.
In most cases, I'd be screwed, as a UPS driver delivered "3 packages" to a high traffic area that was properly signed for. I don't know how I could dispute receiving a package we had signed for.
Thankfully at our point of contact we have security cameras...which I reviewed and saw him stall in his truck for 8 minutes, then exit the vehicle with 2 packages. I knew his game, I called UPS with what I knew, 7 hours at 8:45 the driver called me asking if we were still open to deliver a package he had misplaced in the truck earlier that day. I could have given him the benefit of the doubt, except that I knew he specifically told our lady he was delivering 2 packages. When he showed up with it, the box was opened and he claimed there was damage to the box and he further opened it to make sure the contents were ok. I'd say he played it very cool, including advising me to reject the delivery noting the package is damaged and the seller will just refund or resend an item no problem.

My point: where there is a will there is a way. There can't be many places the package could have been moved through that wasn't under survelliance.
Politely, I would ask for the last place it was seen/tracked and move up in aggression from there. Eventually you should get the building it was last in and demand that video footage be reviewed or which driver the package was last with.

Hey thanks Im not really ready to let this go. I want to know what happened to it, where it was stolen and who stole it. All your tips sound great.
I guess the biggest problem was that Amazon shipped it without double boxing the receiver. It proved to be to much eye candy for the DHL thief.
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