"Official" Yamaha RX-A1000/RX-A2000/RX-A3000 thread - Page 248

Originally Posted by joeyvaz

RX-A1000 connected in a 5.1 setup, with a PS3 slim set to bitstream as my blu-ray source. I can't get DTS-HD to display on the receiver's display. I have checked the DTS-HD option in the movies I tried, but no dice. Am I missing something?

Secondly, YPAO set my Emotiva 6.2/6.3 fronts to small, 80hz XO, and it detected my sub. With my last 2 receivers (Pioneer vsx-1121 and Onkyo 809), the sub was MUCH fuller. YPAO set my sub to -2.0db with the sub's dial set to ~40%. Sub is in the exact same position it was with my previous 2 receivers.

Thirdly, after reading through the last 60 or so pages of this thread, I haven't read of anyone having this issue. My surround speakers are very low. YPAO set them to +1.5db, but they are almost non existant during movies. They are Emotiva erd-1 dipoles. Still working on level matching the fronts and rears to 75db as I have in the past, but that part isn't as easy as my past receivers. The test tone is extremely low, unless I'm missing something.

****If anyone is wondering, the full 5. speakers in my setup are 4ohm Emotivas. After 5-6 straight hours of playing jazz and a few movies, the receiver never ran hot or went into protect mode. They are all 89db in sensitivity. So they aren't too inefficient as far as most 4ohm speakers are concerned.

Originally Posted by ivanhoek

You need a more powerful amp. My side surrounds are 8ohm and 90db sensitive, and they require a +3db boost (twice the power, afaik) to level match, compared to my mains which are 97db sensitive 8ohm..

Since all your speakers are even lower sensitivity, this sounds entirely normal. Buy a more powerful amp or receiver.

Originally Posted by joeyvaz

Emotiva XPA-5 coming next month. I'm going to tweak it more over the next few days. I just set it up today. The XPA-5 will run my surround sound and the a1000 will run my back yard speakers. It's already in the plans, but just wondering if anyone else had similar results.

Originally Posted by joeyvaz

RX-A1000 connected in a 5.1 setup, with a PS3 slim set to bitstream as my blu-ray source. I can't get DTS-HD to display on the receiver's display. I have checked the DTS-HD option in the movies I tried, but no dice. Am I missing something?

Secondly, YPAO set my Emotiva 6.2/6.3 fronts to small, 80hz XO, and it detected my sub. With my last 2 receivers (Pioneer vsx-1121 and Onkyo 809), the sub was MUCH fuller. YPAO set my sub to -2.0db with the sub's dial set to ~40%. Sub is in the exact same position it was with my previous 2 receivers.

Thirdly, after reading through the last 60 or so pages of this thread, I haven't read of anyone having this issue. My surround speakers are very low. YPAO set them to +1.5db, but they are almost non existant during movies. They are Emotiva erd-1 dipoles. Still working on level matching the fronts and rears to 75db as I have in the past, but that part isn't as easy as my past receivers. The test tone is extremely low, unless I'm missing something.

****If anyone is wondering, the full 5. speakers in my setup are 4ohm Emotivas. After 5-6 straight hours of playing jazz and a few movies, the receiver never ran hot or went into protect mode. They are all 89db in sensitivity. So they aren't too inefficient as far as most 4ohm speakers are concerned.

Originally Posted by Slare

My subjective .02 that others have confirmed is that YPAO just isn't as good with sub calibration as a box with Audyssey or Audyssey XT. So depending on your room and listening position I think it's very possible you could end up with a cold sub. The only suggestion I have for this is to try re-running YPAO but biasing half the listening positions very close to your main position, while making sure the other mic positions are not too far away and never outside of the perimeter setup by the speaker pattern. I apply the same tip to Audyssey boxes and am always much happier with the results. If you are still not happy then use the manual test tone to adjust your levels to taste.

Another thing to consider is that if you were using dynamic eq on your other boxes, this results in a huge boost to your sub while watching movies at low and even medium volume levels. If you tend to watch TV/movies ~20 or 30 dB under reference, then going to a Yamaha without dynamic eq would be a huge change.

Most of my normal TV viewing is done at such lower levels and I really miss dynamic eq. I've basically gotten used to running my subs ~6dB hot most of the time and then turning them down for a high volume movie session. At very low volumes (say ~45 dB on the dial) I'd say dynamic eq probably provided a 15dB sub boost.

I'm not totally happy with these tradeoffs but the 3000 is still a nicer box overall than what it replaced. Now if Denon gets back on track for 2013 that could be a different story.

Originally Posted by Ovation

There are still BDs that lack a full, lossless audio track.

Originally Posted by ivanhoek

Yeah and many times they default to the lossy DD or DTS track instead of the lossless. You have to go into the setup menu for the disk and choose the lossless track.

Originally Posted by mickey79

Quick question guys ...

I have a 7.1 Speaker Configuration setup, with 7 speakers plus the LFE. In my RX-A2000, I have the Power Amp Assign set to "7ch normal" as described in the Manual.

When I play content with 6 channel audio, I get the 6 channels lit up on the front display. When I play content with 8 channel audio, I get the 8 channels lit up on the front display.

Is it possible to setup the receiver to mix the 6 channels into the 8 channels whenever less then 8 channel audio is being played? In other words - if I understand correctly - whenever I play 5.1 audio, 2 of my speakers (SBL & SBR) are inactive; is it possible for the reciever to use all 8 speakers even when only 5.1 audio is being played? BUT also, not to do any mixing or anything when true 7.1 audio is being played?

Thanks!!

Originally Posted by rdgrimes

You're looking for the "Extended surround" function available in the options menu. This is a global setting that will apply to all 5.1 input streams. Most folks use the PLIIx-Movie decoder. For 2-ch inputs you can also select the PLIIx decoder with the remote's decoder button. That is remembered for the current input only.

Originally Posted by rdgrimes

You're looking for the "Extended surround" function available in the options menu. This is a global setting that will apply to all 5.1 input streams. Most folks use the PLIIx-Movie decoder. For 2-ch inputs you can also select the PLIIx decoder with the remote's decoder button. That is remembered for the current input only.

Originally Posted by mickey79

I just looked this up in the manual - didn't even know it was there. I think this is exactly what I was looking for.

Just want to be sure -- if I select the PLIIx-Movie Decoder, it will mix 5.1 into 7.1 ... however, if source is 7.1, it won't do anything but play straight 7.1, correct?

Also - is the Extended Surround only remembered for the input you set it up or is it a global setting?

Thanks man - Appreciate it!

Originally Posted by rdgrimes


see above
The PLIIx decoder can be applied to ANY audio, but the Ext Sur setting only applies to 5.1 and 6.1 input. 7.1 input is left alone.

Originally Posted by pappaduke

Yamaha updated the av controller app today. Seems to be mostly iPad changes.

Originally Posted by joeyvaz

Secondly, YPAO set my Emotiva 6.2/6.3 fronts to small, 80hz XO,

Originally Posted by joeyvaz

and it detected my sub. With my last 2 receivers (Pioneer vsx-1121 and Onkyo 809), the sub was MUCH fuller. YPAO set my sub to -2.0db with the sub's dial set to ~40%. Sub is in the exact same position it was with my previous 2 receivers.

Originally Posted by Kieran

Which Emotiva's do you have? There are several with the number "6.2" and/or "6.3" after them. Most have a bottom range spec of 80Hz, so YPAO if anything set it a little low. That is, I would have expected it to set the fc higher than 80Hz, even though I personally would have probably then manually set it to 80Hz or so. It just that usually YPAO (and Audyssey for that matter) sets fc high for satellite speakers.Keep in mind that YPAO is doing more than just setting levels and distances. It is also setting pEQ for each channel. Each system (YPAO, Audyssey, Pioneer's MCACC, etc.) does it differently. Don't expect the same results from each.

Originally Posted by pappaduke

Yamaha updated the av controller app today. Seems to be mostly iPad changes.

Originally Posted by KevinG

I spent quite a bit of time with YPAO in the past few days on my 3000. My results were pretty bad.

Things it seemed to get wrong:
1) Sub level (my SVS PC13-Ultra needed about 4 db extra to sound reasonable, and I'm not talking about a null)
2) Level matching (After it did it's thing, I checked the levels with meter that came with my aperions...Some speakers were as far off as 5 db, not including the sub)
3) Speaker distance (actually, it did pretty fine here, except the sub was off a few feet)

Are these results typical?

Thanks.
-Kevin

Originally Posted by KevinG

I spent quite a bit of time with YPAO in the past few days on my 3000. My results were pretty bad.

Things it seemed to get wrong:
1) Sub level (my SVS PC13-Ultra needed about 4 db extra to sound reasonable, and I'm not talking about a null)
2) Level matching (After it did it's thing, I checked the levels with meter that came with my aperions...Some speakers were as far off as 5 db, not including the sub)
3) Speaker distance (actually, it did pretty fine here, except the sub was off a few feet)

Are these results typical?

Thanks.
-Kevin

Originally Posted by ivanhoek

Probably. YPAO can do up to 8 positions.. how many did you use? How far apart were they? If you use multiple positions, the end result is a composite, or compromise among all 8.. What I do on mine is that I take 3 measurements from the main position, to weight the result towards that spot.

Originally Posted by rdgrimes

Comparing channel levels with a meter is only accurate using identical test tones at identical volumes, so your results are probably not accurate. Even "pink noise" from 2 different sources can be different. There's a lot of different reason why results could be off after YPAO, including objects or people in the room, ambient noise, etc. In my experience, if the directions for running YPAO are followed to the letter, results are good and sound "right".

Most folks prefer to bump the sub channel up a few db, but that doesn't make it "better", just more to your taste. Every room has nulls and modes where LF is concerned, it's impossible to have results that are not effected by these.

Originally Posted by richr8


Loving this. Now you can view the app in landscape mode. Now, I just wish the music would continue while you visit other apps like iTunes to update playlists, etc.

Originally Posted by pappaduke

Yamaha updated the av controller app today. Seems to be mostly iPad changes.

Originally Posted by joeyvaz

must have been the movie (Bad Teacher) because watching Sanctum with no settings changed and it says DTS-HD MSTR

Originally Posted by froh

Maybe a dumb question... idk...

but - i typically use the "STRAIGHT" setting for blu-rays and the receive says "STRAIGHT" on the front.

Are you saying that yours is reading DTS-HD MSTR on the Front?

I've just recently (finally) got to hooking up my front pressence speakers on my RX-A2000 so now i'll be running 9.2 off the receiver with 2 emotiva amps.

If anyone could clue me into this that would be awesome!

I do switch between the other settings for certain movies, audio... but never remember seeing the actual DTS-HD MSTR on the front of the receiver.

Thanks!!

Originally Posted by slare

i've had the 3000 for a few months now and never bothered downloading the yamaha application... Boy was that a big mistake.

The truly brainless wifi streaming of music from your portable device is very kickass, i greatly regret having not taken advantage of it earlier.