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post #8341 of 8763
I just got a new 1010, at about 40% off. First new home audio equipment since probably 2000. So I hardly know what I'm doing smile.gif For example, partly because I much prefer music over movies, I only have 3 speakers, connected to a separate, 200W per channel amp, and a powered subwoofer. That's not listed as a set-up option in the manual. Which means what if I hook it up like that? For one thing, I'm concerned that the 1010's built-in amps will be active and draw power, possibly tripping a circuit breaker in here. Also, I'm worried that some of the audio information will be diverted to nowhere. Another queston - does it matter whether the 1010 is configured to the speakers' impedance, with them going through an external amp? One more thing - I am crossing my fingers that people will tell me what I bought is comparable in performance to the Harman Kardon AVR3600, which I just missed out on for less a month ago. I guess I won't be getting a reply in time to do set-up tonight.
Edited by clovenhooves - 12/29/12 at 9:38pm
post #8342 of 8763
Set the Power Amp Assign setting to "Basic", which is the default. Hook up your external amp to the front left/right and centre pre-outs. Connect your subwoofer to the subwoofer pre-out. Either run YPAO or do a manual speaker setup. If you do a manual setup then enable the centre and subwoofer channels, but disable all the rest.

Despite the fact that you're not using any of them, all seven amps will always be drawing a certain amount of power because they're class AB amps. However this power draw will be relatively small and constant. It'll be the same as when you're not actually playing anything, so it won't trip a circuit breaker.

You need to configure your external amplifer according to the impedance of your speakers. The impedance setting of the RX-A1010 doesn't matter because you're not attaching any speakers directly to it.
post #8343 of 8763
Thanks. That's pretty simple. Except for now I don't think I can hook up the subwoofer directly to the receiver, due to lack of a proper cable. Also, I discovered I technically should have posted all this to a different Yamaha thread. Maybe I'll post an update somewhere later after starting installation.
post #8344 of 8763
You can use one half of a standard white/red analogue audio cable, or any other cable with RCA connectors on each end, to hook up your subwoofer. You don't need anything special.
post #8345 of 8763
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post #8346 of 8763
Yeah, I'm not wise about the last 10-15 years of home AV technology, but I figured that out. I just probably don't have a cable that's long enough. Temporary issue. And it's an Aventage 1010, which I think means I should have posted to the Aventage thread.
post #8347 of 8763
Is anyone using an A2000 or A3000 with NHT's old Evolution speaker / amp setup? I just upgraded from an DSP-A1 (which was an AMAZING piece of equipment) to the A2000, and setup is a little different. The DSP-A1 had both pre-out and main in terminals in the back. I'd send the front left and right signals from the A1's pre-outs to the evolution X1 crossover, and then return the signal back to the A1's main in inputs. This allowed the X1 crossover to handle all of the bass management for my speakers / subs.

The A2000 has the font left / right inputs for the multichannel input, but it doesn't look like there's an equivalent for a straight "main in." I'd rather have the NHT crossover handle all of the bass management, rather than just the A2000, but it looks like I'm limited to only being able to send the LFE signal to from the A2000 to the X1 crossover.
post #8348 of 8763
AV receivers don't have main ins anymore, and don't support devices ike the NHT X1. You should hook up the subwoofer out of your receiver directly to the A1's inputs. Your receiver's own bass management makes the X1 unnecessary and unhelpful.

I'm not really sure it made sense to use the X1 with the DSP-A1 for that matter. The X1 is just a two channel crossover, whereas the bass managment in the DSP-A1 (and RX-A2000) works across all channels. I'd only use it in a two speaker plus sub (2.1) configuration.
post #8349 of 8763
I'm in need of help. I recently connected a 2nd TV via hdmi to my DirecTV - A2000 setup, and receive the following message when Tuned to HBO or any premium channel and the 2nd set is not on. Has any one encountered and overcome this error message. I can also unplug the 2nd set and the error goes away.

Your TV does not support this program's content protection. Replacing the TV's HDMI cable with component cables will allow you to view the program. (ext. 900)

A2000 displays decoder off
HDMI Control = off
Control Select = Out 1 (TV 1)
ARC = off
Audio Output = all set to on
Standby Through = on

Thanks,

EdL
post #8350 of 8763
You can try turning off the second HDMI output when you're not using the second TV. There's an HDMI OUT button under the cover of the remote that makes this fairly easy.
post #8351 of 8763
I installed the recent Version 3.34 firmware via Ethernet and discovered that many of the top-level menus for Rhapsody now appear as blanks. Text fields like "Rhapsody Music Library," "Search," etc. at the very top level are gone. Also gone are menus that allow for the selection of "All Albums," "Top Albums," "Top Tracks," "Sampler," etc. for Genres and Artists. Menus of artists, album titles, and song titles are still there as far as I can tell.I can work around this by memory and trial and error, but it's a ridiculous user interface. I have the problem on both by RX-A2000 and RX-V671. Anyone else have this problem?
post #8352 of 8763
Thanks Ross Ridge, I hadn't thought of that. I'll have to program turning the input on into the Harmony remote so that its wife proof :-)
post #8353 of 8763
You can save the HDMI output setting in a Scene, so it's possible to simply this with the receiver's remote as well.
post #8354 of 8763
I had a new problem yesterday with my RX-A3000. While watching football the screen would momentarily blank out several times a minute. I turned to the tuner input and it still happened so I knew it had to be either the receiver, cable, or TV.

So, I unplugged the power from both the receiver and TV for half an hour.

When I reconnected the power to both the problem was gone. But, I had a message that new firmware (V 3.34) was available and I installed it with no problem.

Could the blanking out and new firmware notification and/or download be related?
post #8355 of 8763
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Originally Posted by Ovation View Post

Letting the player do the decoding will also, if this matters to anyone, allow for additional DSP over the soundtrack. If you attempt to apply DSP onto a bitstream of lossless BD audio, the Yamaha will switch to lossy DD/DTS before applying the DSP. I have a 5.1 setup and sometimes I like to use STANDARD instead of STRAIGHT (it is a slight DSP that seems mostly to create virtual presence channels, as far as I can tell). I do it more often with lossy audio from my cable box than with lossless BD audio, but even on the latter, depending on the title, I sometimes find it pleasant. However, it only works on PCM lossless, not bitstreamed lossless. Once I discovered this, I ran the gamut of DSP settings to see if this was universal--it is. Just FYI.

Double-checking: if I want my A1000 to enable/apply Dialogue Lift to a lossless track with a minimal change to the 5 original channels in the track, I should decode the audio to PCM in the player and pick the Standard DSP mode in the receiver, correct?
post #8356 of 8763
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Originally Posted by VMat View Post

Double-checking: if I want my A1000 to enable/apply Dialogue Lift to a lossless track with a minimal change to the 5 original channels in the track, I should decode the audio to PCM in the player and pick the Standard DSP mode in the receiver, correct?

If I understand the manual correctly (and it is not a model of clarity, so I could be wrong), actual "dialogue lift" requires actual presence speakers. I don't have any. My understanding is STANDARD, in the absence of actual presence speakers, emulates presence speakers and also seems to create a more diffuse rear/side channel sound field than one normally gets from monopole surround speakers (which explains why I like it for movies but not so much for music). I find it creates a more immersive soundfield overall but in a subtle fashion. (It also defaults to Adaptive DRC Auto, so I turn that setting to OFF with the iPhone app.) My speakers across the front are at equal height, so I would not need "dialogue lift" per se (my screen is above the speakers but they are all at ear height for the tweeters--the array is biased for MCH audio rather than film viewing, as per my preference).

All that said, if you want any DSP applied to MCH lossless audio, including STANDARD and "dialogue lift", on the A1000, you must have the player decode into PCM first.

I believe the 20x0/30x0 models can apply DSP directly to bitstream lossless, but I know for certain the A1000 cannot.
post #8357 of 8763
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Originally Posted by iraweiss View Post

I had a new problem yesterday with my RX-A3000. While watching football the screen would momentarily blank out several times a minute. I turned to the tuner input and it still happened so I knew it had to be either the receiver, cable, or TV.
So, I unplugged the power from both the receiver and TV for half an hour.
When I reconnected the power to both the problem was gone. But, I had a message that new firmware (V 3.34) was available and I installed it with no problem.
Could the blanking out and new firmware notification and/or download be related?

I've been getting the firmware notification without downloading it yet, and had no blanking out pictures or any other issues (I also have RX-A3000). Have you isolated the problem?

2 Questions:

1) An assumption more than a question: You had the problem (blanking image) BEFORE downloading the firmware update (vers. 3.34), correct?

2) For anyone: Where do I find a description of changes / fixes for vers 3.34? (It's information I like to know if possible before downloading new firmware.) THANKS!
post #8358 of 8763
BTW: Here is the very brief information on ver.3.34 from the Yamaha website:

This firmware includes the following improvements.
1. Compatibility with the latest Napster network music streaming service (in Europe)
*Music service availability varies by region.
2. Improves SiriusXM Internet Radio connectivity (in USA/Canada)
3. Improves operation stability

Anyone have more or detailed information, or experienced issues (either improvements or problems) with this firmware?
post #8359 of 8763
Yes, blanking image was before firmware was downloaded. Everything has been fine since.
post #8360 of 8763
Re: upgrade to 3.34. Does it delete any internet radio function? Does Rhapsody survive? I am pretty happy with what I have now and don't want to lose anything.
post #8361 of 8763
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Originally Posted by lfox View Post

Re: upgrade to 3.34. Does it delete any internet radio function? Does Rhapsody survive? I am pretty happy with what I have now and don't want to lose anything.
I brought up the Rhapsody issue, and no one else has brought it, but that could be because there are so few Rhapsody users. I did the unofficial ftp-based firmware upgrade first (which fixed SiriusXM Internet Radio and removed the useless Napster app), so that could be a contributing factor. Rhapsody still works, just with few missing menus that frequent users can easily work around and that people who are easily annoyed will be really annoyed about. I have the same problem on my 2 RX-V671s, which I updated the next day after thinking all was well with the RX-A2000. It is possible that the problem is on Rhapsody's end and will resolve itself. It is also possible it is like the SiriusXM problem, but will take much longer to resolve because there are fewer Rhapsody users on Yamaha (and especially those using 3.34 or its equivalent on other models). Various resets (short of a factory reset) have not solved the problem.

I did come out ahead on the update, however, because previous my three Yamahas were inconsistent about pulling music from Windows Media servers, but now they work like a charm. My advice is that everything is working fine for you and you are a Rhapsody user, 3.34 can/should be skipped.
post #8362 of 8763
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Originally Posted by Upstate Guy View Post

I brought up the Rhapsody issue, and no one else has brought it, but that could be because there are so few Rhapsody users. I did the unofficial ftp-based firmware upgrade first (which fixed SiriusXM Internet Radio and removed the useless Napster app), so that could be a contributing factor. Rhapsody still works, just with few missing menus that frequent users can easily work around and that people who are easily annoyed will be really annoyed about. I have the same problem on my 2 RX-V671s, which I updated the next day after thinking all was well with the RX-A2000. It is possible that the problem is on Rhapsody's end and will resolve itself. It is also possible it is like the SiriusXM problem, but will take much longer to resolve because there are fewer Rhapsody users on Yamaha (and especially those using 3.34 or its equivalent on other models). Various resets (short of a factory reset) have not solved the problem.
I did come out ahead on the update, however, because previous my three Yamahas were inconsistent about pulling music from Windows Media servers, but now they work like a charm. My advice is that everything is working fine for you and you are a Rhapsody user, 3.34 can/should be skipped.

FYI, I did the internet based update last night. I use Rhapsody frequently and it is the main reason i chose the Aventage over other more Apple friendly brands. (at least when I bought my 1000) After my update I still have the Rhapsody menus you report having lost. Could there be a difference in your result due to your use of the FTP based process? By the way I am still not able to play music from my main PC running W7 through the LAN on the 1000. It has and still usually comes up No Content. It will play playlists from that computer. It think my library is too big for the 1000 to ingest. Let us know if you resolve your Rhapsody issues. Napster is gone from my box as well.
post #8363 of 8763
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Originally Posted by lfox View Post

By the way I am still not able to play music from my main PC running W7 through the LAN on the 1000. It has and still usually comes up No Content. It will play playlists from that computer. It think my library is too big for the 1000 to ingest. Let us know if you resolve your Rhapsody issues. Napster is gone from my box as well.

This was exactly the problem I had when accessing Windows Media on W7 before the Xmas firware update (and it may be too early to declare victory). My problem was intermittent and rarely (if ever) occurred when using the Android or iPhone apps to get to the servers instead of the direct or Internet Yamaha interface. My library is fairly large, over 10,000 songs, but my Roku Soundbridges have never had any problem with it.

My Rhapsody problem seems like something where menus stored locally got corrupted (but on three separate Yamaha receivers), while the menus that are downloaded on the fly are just fine. After trying a few more things, I may resort to a factory reset on one of the RX-V671, where there are fewer settings to lose if the restore fails, and see if that works.
post #8364 of 8763
Hi,

I have the following setup on RX-A2000:
Power Amp Assign: 7ch + 1zone
Speaker configuration: Front, Center, Surround are configures as 'Small' with 110Hz crossover, No Surround Back; using Subwoofer 1; I have a 5.1 speaker package in my main zone, and 2 floor standing speakers in my zone 2
Multi Zone: enabled Party Mode for Zone 2

The Party Mode works well, I can also mute the main zone speakers if I don't need them, or mute the zone 2 speakers.

But I don't hear the lower frequency sound in zone 2. Previously I had the 2 floor standing speakers in the main zone, and there was plenty of bass, but now that they are connected to zone 2, there is almost no bass. These 2 speakers have powered subwoofers built in, which now seems pointless.

Is there a possibility that the receiver in Party Mode does not output to zone 2 speakers anything below crossover frequency?

Thank you
post #8365 of 8763
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ovation View Post

If I understand the manual correctly (and it is not a model of clarity, so I could be wrong), actual "dialogue lift" requires actual presence speakers. I don't have any. My understanding is STANDARD, in the absence of actual presence speakers, emulates presence speakers and also seems to create a more diffuse rear/side channel sound field than one normally gets from monopole surround speakers (which explains why I like it for movies but not so much for music). I find it creates a more immersive soundfield overall but in a subtle fashion. (It also defaults to Adaptive DRC Auto, so I turn that setting to OFF with the iPhone app.) My speakers across the front are at equal height, so I would not need "dialogue lift" per se (my screen is above the speakers but they are all at ear height for the tweeters--the array is biased for MCH audio rather than film viewing, as per my preference).
All that said, if you want any DSP applied to MCH lossless audio, including STANDARD and "dialogue lift", on the A1000, you must have the player decode into PCM first.
I believe the 20x0/30x0 models can apply DSP directly to bitstream lossless, but I know for certain the A1000 cannot.

Thanks!

I did that and it seems to work fine. Now I just want to make sure the DSP is not adding too much to the original content, I'm going to play with the surround parameters (delays, reverb, etc.) and see how it goes.

VMat
post #8366 of 8763
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Originally Posted by sbivol View Post

Hi,
I have the following setup on RX-A2000:
Power Amp Assign: 7ch + 1zone
Speaker configuration: Front, Center, Surround are configures as 'Small' with 110Hz crossover, No Surround Back; using Subwoofer 1; I have a 5.1 speaker package in my main zone, and 2 floor standing speakers in my zone 2
Multi Zone: enabled Party Mode for Zone 2
The Party Mode works well, I can also mute the main zone speakers if I don't need them, or mute the zone 2 speakers.
But I don't hear the lower frequency sound in zone 2. Previously I had the 2 floor standing speakers in the main zone, and there was plenty of bass, but now that they are connected to zone 2, there is almost no bass. These 2 speakers have powered subwoofers built in, which now seems pointless.
Is there a possibility that the receiver in Party Mode does not output to zone 2 speakers anything below crossover frequency?
Thank you

I had similar problems when setting up Zone 2. The manual does lay it out, but it took several re-reads. Once set up, the buttons on the remote must be pressed in a specific order to set the zones apart. The speakers are set up right if Party Mode works, now the activation of the second zone needs the remote to be selected. It will work, but as I said, it took a couple of re-reads.
post #8367 of 8763
Downloaded v3.41 iPad Mini app this morning...
post #8368 of 8763
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Originally Posted by lfox View Post

Re: upgrade to 3.34. Does it delete any internet radio function? Does Rhapsody survive? I am pretty happy with what I have now and don't want to lose anything.
Net Radio and SiriusIR work fine for me. Would be kinda cool if the Yammy could play Net Radio and SiriusIR simultaneously...
post #8369 of 8763
After a router reboot, the "No Content" error returned on one of my two Window Media music servers, but not the other, so 3.34 does not fix that problem. Reboot did not fix Rhapsody menu problem that seemed to be caused by 3.34, though it seemed like a very long shot that it would fix the problem.
post #8370 of 8763
I just started getting a wierd problem. The bottom probably 10-20% of the image on my tv is stuck on the guitar image that appears when the receiver is booting. I switch the tvs p size button and the part that is stuck gets blown up, squished, etc. in other words the problem appears to be with the image. Now I haven't tried hooking up stuff directly to the tv as I don't have a long enough HDMI cord right now. So the problem is either the tvs image processing is messed up or the a1000 is messed up. Anyone seen this before? I tried searching here and google and couldn't find anything.
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