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Pioneer VSX-1020-K lacks midbass

post #1 of 7
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I just purchased the Pioneer VSX-1020-K yesterday and was not too impressed with the sound quality. First, out of the box, it seemed to lack that bright sound. It sounded very muffled. I am running Martin Logan Encore TF speakers for LCR and a Polk PSW10 sub. I ran the auto MCACC setup, and it seemed to help just a little bit, but not much. Furthermore, I adjusted some EQ settings, but still, the sound quality is sub par.

After adjusting for quite some time, I noticed that I could not get enough midbass out of this thing. My previous reciever sounded awesome, with plenty of bass drum punch. With the Pioneer, I can barely even hear the bass drum, but more just the lower frequency bass guitar sounds. I tried using various x-over settings to get more going to the Martin Logans, but unsucessfull.

To give you some background, I am replacing my Nakamichi AV-8 receiver with the Pioneer. The only reason I chose to do this is for the DTS and HDMI switching capabilities. Other than that, the Nak was great! When I first got the Martin Logans, I could not believe how clear and crisp the sound was. Needless to say, hooking up this Pioneer for the first time really upset me.

Has anybody experienced the same thing? Does anybody know if there is some setting I am missing to improve this? Or do you think its just the fact that I am moving from a much higher end receiver to a mid-level one? I had my doubts, but because of the rave reviews of the Pioneer, thought it would be better.

Sorry so long...
post #2 of 7
i think you need to work on your eq in the mid-bass region...

i think it's very unlikely that the avr itself produces a dip there all by itself...
post #3 of 7
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ccotenj,

i tried increasing the 125-250 Hz range quite a bit and experimented with various settings. You could start hearing a little bit more, but still not a good punch. Also, it started making other things sound bad. not sure if it has something to do with the xover point, but i even tried playing the fronts as large speakers... doesnt sound great.

thanks.
post #4 of 7
I'm not too familiar with your speakers, but I was attempting to drive my NHT VT-2's (which aren't very efficient at 6 ohms) and the 1020k sounded very "thin". I returned and went with the ICE powered SC-25 and the sound improved considerably over the 1020k. I later went on and got the VSX-32 for my den setup(which is the Pioneer Elite equivalent of the 1120K) and my NHT sound almost as good as when powered by the SC-25 and didn't sound thin at all. The 1020K has an anemic power supply of only 245watts, while the 1120K has a much better 400watt power supply.
post #5 of 7
Maybe you got a bad one or something, mine sounds fine.
post #6 of 7
You stepped down in quality. All speakers have a signature sound, and pair up differently to AVR's. Your ML's deserve separates, or a higher end AVR such as an Integra or B&K.

I've found over the years many AVR's stress different frequencies at different volume levels. That has a lot to do with the spl rating of the speakers, but they do sound different at similar levels.

Best thing to do is either to take your speakers to a local B/M shop and listen to 4-5 different makes. Of if that's not possible, see if a local dealer will allow you to take home a few AVR's to see (hear) the difference yourself.

I still run a Denon 4802R because I cannot replace the sound with anything under $1200 (new of course, Audiogon is the place to shop). There's that big of a gap. It's a little more cable, but it still does DTS Master with analog hookup.
post #7 of 7
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thanks everyone for your responses. im not quite sure what i did, but the sound is much better now. i think part of it is that i turned off the standing wave feature, as it seemed to be cutting some frequencies out. i also did a better auto mcacc setup again with a tripod holding the mic, while i left the room. i think it did a better job this time.

anyway, somehow, the midbass has more presence now, and everything sounds a bit better. my buyer's remorse is gone, and because i decided to take everything apart and listen to my old receiver again, my cabinet was cleaned out, dust vacuumed, and cables neatly tied and tucked away.
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