or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › Ultra Hi-End HT Gear ($20,000+) › New Theta CB3 HD (HDMI 1.4) To Be Delivered This October?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

New Theta CB3 HD (HDMI 1.4) To Be Delivered This October? - Page 3  

post #61 of 666
Steve. It's already over and too late. HDMI in 2011, no eq, no room correction, no LAN, old DACs... and $5K!!! You crazy!!??
post #62 of 666
Adding ARC is fairly easy especially buying it from say Oddysey but still involves substantial software and an easy way of plugging in a calibration microphone. Something along the lines of accessory microphone kit such as the Oddysey Pro kit or the Anthem kit. But one would need an appropriate mike port as well so hardware changes or a mike input card option. Another upgrade path,
post #63 of 666
My guess is that better DACs than the extreme exist today. There are some expensive 2 channel stand alone dacs out there that are quite good. The issue however does any ss processor use better dacs than the extreme. I don`t know.
post #64 of 666
Quote:
Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Adding ARC is fairly easy especially buying it from say Oddysey[sic] but still involves substantial software and an easy way of plugging in a calibration microphone.

I think he was talking about Audio Rate Control (jitter management), not room correction (like Audyssey). ARC is a feature of the HDMI 1.3 spec that would allow the CB3HD to continuously make tiny adjustments to the audio clock rate of a BD player, so that the playback rate matches the crystal based audio clock inside the CB3, thereby helping to suppress jitter.
post #65 of 666
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tyree91 View Post

Steve, Mark, not trying to upstage anyone. I knew some of this had been stated, but I felt the best was to pass it along was as a narrative of both the old and the new. By the way, I brought up the issue of ARC to them. The Rep I spoke to didn't know to much about it , but was very interested. I emailed him, at his request, some tech info on it today with strong encouragement. They are set up to do it because they will have a Processor/DAC and a source BD Player. We'll see. In addition they are just waiting for the OEM Oppo 1.4 (due any day) for the next stage of Compli Blu. A necessity as all the new OEM platforms will be 1.4. Norm

Yea, I figured that the Compli Blu's next itineration will be Compli Blu 3d, hopefully with the SE version better DACs as well, but as Oppo is hoping to come out with the player at about X-Mas time, any players using the 3d Oppo likely will take several months thereafter.

Norm, you are not "upstaging" anyone, just providing good, solid info, which we appreciate.
post #66 of 666
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thebland View Post

Steve. It's already over and too late. HDMI in 2011, no eq, no room correction, no LAN, old DACs... and $5K!!! You crazy!!??

Anyone coming to my room vs your room, even now, will "hear" that I know how to set up great sounding audio, including great stereo and multi-channel music, in my dedicated home theater. You room will be mediocre musically in comparison. TOUCHE!

(I sound like Bulldogger)
post #67 of 666
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sdurani View Post

I think he was talking about Audio Rate Control (jitter management), not room correction (like Audyssey). ARC is a feature of the HDMI 1.3 spec that would allow the CB3HD to continuously make tiny adjustments to the audio clock rate of a BD player, so that the playback rate matches the crystal based audio clock inside the CB3, thereby helping to suppress jitter.

Correctamundo!
post #68 of 666
Ues. There are many things Theta could do to improve the Casablanca. just like there are many things any manufacture to do to its singnal processor.
post #69 of 666
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky View Post

Anyone coming to my room vs your room, even now, will "hear" that I know how to set up great sounding audio, including great stereo and multi-channel music, in my dedicated home theater. You room will be mediocre musically in comparison. TOUCHE!

(I sound like Bulldogger)

I would hope so. I built a home theater. Didn't compromise for multichannel music!!!
post #70 of 666
Quote:
Originally Posted by tyree91 View Post

Steve, Mark, not trying to upstage anyone. I knew some of this had been stated, but I felt the best was to pass it along was as a narrative of both the old and the new. By the way, I brought up the issue of ARC to them. The Rep I spoke to didn't know to much about it , but was very interested. I emailed him, at his request, some tech info on it today with strong encouragement. They are set up to do it because they will have a Processor/DAC and a source BD Player. We'll see. In addition they are just waiting for the OEM Oppo 1.4 (due any day) for the next stage of Compli Blu. A necessity as all the new OEM platforms will be 1.4. Norm

Norm, if you are discussing ARC with them you should mention they should reach out to Hanson @ Ayre. He has ARC implemented in his universal with no SSP that supports it. He could license the technology to Theta for implementation in the Compli. If Theta then implements it on the CBIII, everyone would win because the Ayre now would now have an SSP market to sell their ARC feature to, while Theta dealers could offer two flavors of an ACR capable universal player with a CBIII - the absolute best for 10K (including excellent 2 channel analog) and a good one for 3K. This would greatly improve the CBIII/HDMI/ARC value proposition. Everyone would win
post #71 of 666
Quote:
Originally Posted by sdurani View Post

I think he was talking about Audio Rate Control (jitter management), not room correction (like Audyssey).

ARC = Audio Rate Control
ARC = Audio Return Channel
ARC = Anthem Room Correction
ARC = Audio Research Corporation
ARC = ???
post #72 of 666
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

ARC = ???

Acronyms Run Crazy
post #73 of 666
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

ARC = Audio Rate Control
ARC = Audio Return Channel
ARC = Anthem Room Correction
ARC = Audio Research Corporation
ARC = ???

Kal, mea culpa, I assumed most would know I was speaking of Audio Rate Control since I was commenting in the context of a source unit and the master DAC. Eddor, I did refer them to Charles Hansen at Ayre regarding ARC as I consider him one of the foremost experts on its application. We also discussed analogous applications in the USB arena with Ayre and Aesthetix and their Asynchronous DACs and PS Audio and their Time Lens technology all of which lower jitter a great deal. In addition I gave them figures on the typical receiver HDMI jitter vs Pioneer's PQLS proprietary application of ARC. This was all met with great interest. I might add this meeting took place at our Demo Theater so the time constaints of a phone call or E Mail were not in play. Hope this clarifies some of these issues. Regards, Norm
post #74 of 666
Quote:
Originally Posted by tyree91 View Post

Kal, mea culpa, I assumed most would know I was speaking of Audio Rate Control since I was commenting in the context of a source unit and the master DAC. Eddor, I did refer them to Charles Hansen at Ayre regarding ARC as I consider him one of the foremost experts on its application. We also discussed analogous applications in the USB arena with Ayre and Aesthetix and their Asynchronous DACs and PS Audio and their Time Lens technology all of which lower jitter a great deal. In addition I gave them figures on the typical receiver HDMI jitter vs Pioneer's PQLS proprietary application of ARC. This was all met with great interest. I might add this meeting took place at our Demo Theater so the time constaints of a phone call or E Mail were not in play. Hope this clarifies some of these issues. Regards, Norm

I believe the only way Theta can maintain the CBIII/CBIV as a viable platform is through collaboration and licensing of third party technologies, so let's hope this lead to something. First priority is to revitalize the dying platform, so let's hope this CBIII/HDMI machine rocks.
post #75 of 666
ARC=Automatic Room Correction? or Audio Room Correction
post #76 of 666
I went to Theta's website and noticed that you must have either the Xtreme D-2 or Superior II cards in order to get the upgrade. I have the Xtreme and superior dacs, so would I need to replace both dacs, is the Xtreme d-2 different than the Xtreme?

Thanks,
Steve

PS: If anyone is interested in selling their six shooter please pm me.
post #77 of 666
Quote:
Originally Posted by speters View Post

I went to Theta's website and noticed that you must have either the Xtreme D-2 or Superior II cards in order to get the upgrade. I have the Xtreme and superior dacs, so would I need to replace both dacs, is the Xtreme d-2 different than the Xtreme?

Thanks,
Steve

PS: If anyone is interested in selling their six shooter please pm me.

I found this to be a bit confusing as well but as far as I know there is only one Xtreme card so you're OK. I believe they went to calling this the Xtreme D-2 with a firmware upgrade but the card stayed the same.

Also, be aware that if you get a six shooter you also need the digi card with the volume control rca connector, which is not standard and probably not on your CBIII. You either need to buy it for $500 or get it with the used six shooter you are buying. If you buy a new six shooter, I believe it comes with the crd upgrade.
post #78 of 666
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thebland View Post

I would hope so. I built a home theater. Didn't compromise for multichannel music!!!

You compromised sound quality. Any listening to my theater or Bulldogger's theater could easily hear the difference!@
post #79 of 666
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by edorr View Post

I found this to be a bit confusing as well but as far as I know there is only one Xtreme card so you're OK. I believe they went to calling this the Xtreme D-2 with a firmware upgrade but the card stayed the same.

Also, be aware that if you get a six shooter you also need the digi card with the volume control rca connector, which is not standard and probably not on your CBIII. You either need to buy it for $500 or get it with the used six shooter you are buying. If you buy a new six shooter, I believe it comes with the crd upgrade.

You are correct completely!
post #80 of 666
Enough. As long as one is happy with what they did, what else matters? My Ferrari is better than yours. God. I have a nice HT but I drive a Miata. But I can`t sleep at night, my screen ain`t perforated. No room for such a set up, I am gonna shoot myself, I made a compromise even though non perfed might be better fior PQ. I am gonna shoot myself.
post #81 of 666
Quote:
Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

ARC=Automatic Room Correction? or Audio Room Correction

Or Audyssey Room Correction?

Honestly, I listed only the ones I have heard used but I have never heard it used for the phrases in this post. It would not be surprising though.
post #82 of 666
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky View Post

You are correct completely!


I'm not so certain that this is completely correct.

As far as I am aware, there is more then one way to integrate a Six Shooter with the CBIII.

First off, I believe that all of the Digi-input cards sold with a more recent version of the CBIII include the "Data" port, where the "Glass" option used to be. So depending on when you bought a CBIII or had one upgraded, you may or may not have a "Data" port. If it's there, nothing more then a Six-Shooter is required.

The other option that will work, as far as I know, would be to use the "vol" inputs on a Digi-out card. I've never done it but I believe this works just as well.
post #83 of 666
Now we need to come up with the letters AVS stand for. Or for example WTF.
post #84 of 666
Steve,

If you want room correction I can sell my Audysey EQ [bought it four years ago and never took it out of the box] it is the single ended RCA version.

This offer is also good for all other CB3 owners...
post #85 of 666
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmiles View Post

Steve,

If you want room correction I can sell my Audysey EQ [bought it four years ago and never took it out of the box] it is the single ended RCA version.

This offer is also good for all other CB3 owners...

I swear half of your posts are unsolicited ads for something you are trying to sell. We will include you in the dealers mud wresting contest at CEDIA!
post #86 of 666
I am curious.... please correct me...
1. Room EQ is required every time you change your equipment.
2. Once you have finished EQ no need to mess with it until you change equipment.
3. Isn't audio calibration using a calibrator (person) with right equipment and skills is the best way to go?
As per my understanding, the best way is to get the room calibrated is using a calibrator and so I dont care for room correction in my processor.
post #87 of 666
SB,

I swear most of the threads you start are the way you pay back those vendors for giving you gear or big discounts.

Actually I'd rather wrestle you or perhaps a little UFC cage action?
post #88 of 666
I'm not a reviewer. Where are you getting your info? AV is a part time hobby biz for me period. If I have experience with something I will share it.

Again my bet is all these threads like PS AUDIO, GRANITE CABLES, THETA AMPS etc etc would not exist if you had to pay MSRP. True MSRP does not exist anymore in any industry but neither does 40, 50 and 60% discounts unless everyone is scratching each others backs...

I got an idea why don't you call me to discuss it.

410.677.6561 - res
443.614.2067 - cell [in the charger right now]
post #89 of 666
No you are wrong [imagine that] I have not reviewed for anybody.

Audio Control has sent me an amp [last week in fact] that they would like me to put an ear on and perhaps mention it hear [good or bad]. I have not becuase my mother had a bad spell of health at the nursing home however I plan to get to it soon. This would be a first for me in that regard.

BTW, if a manufacturer has to give equipment away for a positive review it does not speak well for the company or the reviewer. Now it would not surprise me if manufacturers pay for ads with gear.

I have owned a computer networking company that works with small retailers and restaurants [our main market] for almost 26 years. Let see what else can I tell you? Been divorced twice, past President of the local Lions Club, 32 degree Mason, baptist and father of two [24&20, boys, well men actually at this stage], my name is Mike Miles and I reside at 6011 Kempton Court, Salisbury, Maryland. As you and others can see I have no agenda and nothing to hide.

Perhaps it is best you don't call because I was planning NOT on sharing ideas. However the phone lines are open and operators are standing by! Its OK I have calmed down...
post #90 of 666
For you spelling and grammar gods sorry for the poorly phrased post that I often make.

I'm not a smart man but I do know what love is ---- Forest Gump.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Ultra Hi-End HT Gear ($20,000+)
This thread is locked  
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › Ultra Hi-End HT Gear ($20,000+) › New Theta CB3 HD (HDMI 1.4) To Be Delivered This October?