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'MLB ON FOX' 16x9 graphics (non 4:3 safe)

post #1 of 20
8/7/10 at 1:47pm
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do my eyes deceive me, or is Fox really doing 16:9 formatted score bug for mlb baseball now? will other broadcasters follow suit? will this be present for nfl season?
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post #2 of 20
8/7/10 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by Lkr View Post

do my eyes deceive me, or is Fox really doing 16:9 formatted score bug for mlb baseball now? will other broadcasters follow suit? will this be present for nfl season?

Your eyes do not deceive you. Who knows about the others?!
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post #3 of 20
8/7/10 at 4:07pm
Well, Mediacom in Columbia, MO had no score visible on the SD channel. Does FOX support AFD? Looks like a good use for it to me, if this is the plan...
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post #4 of 20
8/7/10 at 4:09pm
On my SD TV with cable feed and no STB, it's letterboxed, and on my HDTV in the other room, it appears as if its no longer 4:3 safe, which is fine with me.
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post #5 of 20
8/7/10 at 4:18pm
Bring it on!
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post #6 of 20
8/7/10 at 5:46pm
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I originally thought it was an overscan issue, because one of my SD friends complained last week that he couldn't see the scorebug. I see a post with someone saying that they had that issue again this week, and then another saying that they got it letterboxed. Hopefully affiliates get the memo and send it properly.
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post #7 of 20
8/7/10 at 6:25pm
I hope they do the same with NFL games.
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post #8 of 20
8/7/10 at 7:22pm
The one thing I've noticed is that only the scorebox and 'MLB on Fox' bug are in the 16x9 area. All other graphics are still 4x3 safe for now.
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post #9 of 20
8/7/10 at 7:53pm
why should people who still have SD be cut-off? Nice way of thinking of others
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post #10 of 20
8/7/10 at 7:58pm
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Originally Posted by ehren View Post

why should people who still have SD be cut-off? Nice way of thinking of others

I'd rather have cutoff than letterbox.

And apparently so would most viewers. In the past three weeks the only discussion I've seen about this is here. SDTV viewers don't even notice it. At least not enough to complain.

Now if you went and stuck huge black bars over the picture, I'm sure they'd notice that.
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post #11 of 20
8/8/10 at 4:28am
FOX is sending the AFD code for letterbox. The issue is many local providers are NOT using AFD. That is the problem. If the local provider was using AFD, the viewer would see letterbox during the games.

This issue isn't a FOX issue since FOX has made provisions for 4:3 viewers, it is the local providers who have dropped the ball. And yes, FOX did alert the providers they were switching formats.
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post #12 of 20
8/8/10 at 7:44am
Scorebug was cut off in 4:3 SD feed of WVFX (Clarksburg, W.Va.) on Dish Network a few weeks ago, and as of yesterday, still cut off on the SD feed of WTTG Washington, DC on RCN.
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post #13 of 20
8/8/10 at 12:53pm
SD feed was letterboxed correctly on WFLD on Comcast.
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post #14 of 20
8/8/10 at 3:02pm
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Originally Posted by mikepier View Post

I hope they do the same with NFL games.

Unless they change the bug, it's almost a moot point. Fox's NFL scorebug is a bar across the entire top of the screen, so aside from changing the position of the information within the graphic (which could allow more information to be shown), there's no reason for them to change anything.
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post #15 of 20
8/8/10 at 5:14pm
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Originally Posted by Quaker2001 View Post

Unless they change the bug, it's almost a moot point. Fox's NFL scorebug is a bar across the entire top of the screen, so aside from changing the position of the information within the graphic (which could allow more information to be shown), there's no reason for them to change anything.

It's not just the graphics - they frame the picture for 4:3....

But now if they frame the nfl games for 16:9 - that means we'd see more of the downfield area and less empty space behind the QB.
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post #16 of 20
8/8/10 at 6:18pm
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Originally Posted by foxeng View Post

FOX is sending the AFD code for letterbox. The issue is many local providers are NOT using AFD. That is the problem. If the local provider was using AFD, the viewer would see letterbox during the games.

This issue isn't a FOX issue since FOX has made provisions for 4:3 viewers, it is the local providers who have dropped the ball. And yes, FOX did alert the providers they were switching formats.

I thought this was a temporary malfunction during baseball. Apparently that's not the case. In April, I can see the scores on an old crt. Now in August, unless I switch from cropped to letterbox, I can't. I have to add the black bars to the screen. That's the provision for this viewer.
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post #17 of 20
8/8/10 at 8:44pm
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Originally Posted by deltaguy View Post

I thought this was a temporary malfunction during baseball. Apparently that's not the case. In April, I can see the scores on an old crt. Now in August, unless I switch from cropped to letterbox, I can't. I have to add the black bars to the screen. That's the provision for this viewer.

If you have a good box (like the Zenith DTT 901) that has multiple formats, you can also use "squeeze". If I want to see the score I personally prefer squeeze since it doesn't involve stupid black bars unnecessarily wasting part of my TV screen.

Unfortunately the people who have an awful multichannel provider that pre-letterboxes it before sending it out don't have that option.
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post #18 of 20
8/9/10 at 10:38pm
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Originally Posted by nickdawg View Post

If you have a good box (like the Zenith DTT 901) that has multiple formats, you can also use "squeeze". If I want to see the score I personally prefer squeeze since it doesn't involve stupid black bars unnecessarily wasting part of my TV screen.

Unfortunately the people who have an awful multichannel provider that pre-letterboxes it before sending it out don't have that option.

Great point. I can elect to lose about 25% of the screen to black bars using letterbox on the Zenith to see the scores. Or, I can choose to see the scores via squeeze, which makes 100% of the pictures on screen look like dog crap.
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post #19 of 20
8/10/10 at 5:10am
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Originally Posted by Berk32 View Post

It's not just the graphics - they frame the picture for 4:3....

But now if they frame the nfl games for 16:9 - that means we'd see more of the downfield area and less empty space behind the QB.

That's what I'm waiting for.
I haven't seen it since the separately produced SuperBowl (XXXIV) on ABC-HD many years ago.
Article here
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post #20 of 20
8/10/10 at 4:37pm
In Bakersfield low power KBFX-CA analog shows the game in letterbox. The digital simulcast on a subchannel of co-owned full power KBAK shows it in 16:9 SD. Bright House retransmits neither. They get a direct studio to headend feed in HD. Analog cable shows it in chop mode with the scores missing.
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