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post #31 of 58
The Canuck version still looks kinda video-y, but it doesn't appear to be as bad as the Aussie BD.
post #32 of 58
Scream 3 is one I just don't get the hate for. I adore the whole trilogy, and actually prefer 3 to 2! *shrug*
post #33 of 58
I watched SCREAM 2 last night and I'd say that it pretty much follows the pattern of the original in terms of quality.

There's too much processing in general. Too much EE. Too much DNR. However, there still remains a saving grace in terms of excellent color reproduction and very nice contrast/brightness balance.

Same story with the audio: perfectly functional but uninspired.
post #34 of 58
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Originally Posted by jvillain View Post

Thanks for the lecture. Exactly how am I supposed to know if I am getting some thing worth while or just **** by looking at the out side of the box? They have had lots of 1080P movies that looked like complete garbage because they used an old transfer. Mean while the Americans got a good transfer. Why should I support a company that likes to deliver second rate crud when it is so easy to support one that puts in some effort especially when I can usually get the American version cheaper?

Let me try to explain this to you. Alliance doesn't "like to deliver second rate crud", they literally don't have anything better to offer. Do you understand the reason why the US releases end up looking better? THE US STUDIO ACTUALLY MADE THE MOVIE! They have all the original film and sound assets, they can do all the remastering that needs to be done. Alliance does not have access to that stuff, they can't remaster the movies they release. They simply license movies from the US studios and are given whatever print of the movie is available at that time.

All they're trying to do is offer us something we can't get anywhere else at the moment. What's wrong with that? I'd gladly take a not-so-great hi-def version of a movie I love to tide me over until a better version comes out. And the prices of their releases are so cheap, I don't feel like I'm being ripped off at all.

You can feel free to not spend your money on Alliance releases and wait years to get a better version from the US. Just please try to understand how all this business works and stop hating a company for something that's out of their control.
post #35 of 58
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Originally Posted by Grifter02 View Post

All they're trying to do is offer us something we can't get anywhere else at the moment. What's wrong with that? I'd gladly take a not-so-great hi-def version of a movie I love to tide me over until a better version comes out. And the prices of their releases are so cheap, I don't feel like I'm being ripped off at all.

This.
post #36 of 58
Specs here

Broadcast: 9.79Mbps MPEG-2 1080i
Canadian Blu-ray: 19.81Mbps AVC 1080i
Australian Blu-ray: 20.00Mbps AVC 1080p

The framerates reported by ffdshow for the broadcast are "wrong" due to pulldown. I'm not sure why the playing time is wrong on the Canadian Blu-ray shots but I guess it still has trouble with interlaced content.

1080i60 broadcast vs Alliance CA Blu-ray vs HD DVD extra



1080i60 broadcast vs Alliance CA Blu-ray vs Icon AU Blu-ray (shots by Whiggles)



[couldn't get this one]
post #37 of 58
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Originally Posted by Grifter02 View Post

Let me try to explain this to you. Alliance doesn't "like to deliver second rate crud", they literally don't have anything better to offer. Do you understand the reason why the US releases end up looking better? THE US STUDIO ACTUALLY MADE THE MOVIE! They have all the original film and sound assets, they can do all the remastering that needs to be done. Alliance does not have access to that stuff, they can't remaster the movies they release. They simply license movies from the US studios and are given whatever print of the movie is available at that time.

So.... Alliance is being cut a break because they only have access to crap to release? What? You're just taking issue with the workd "like"? They don't "like" to deliver second rate crud, they just "have" to deliever second rate crud! Either way, buying stuff Alliance puts out reminds me of the early DVD days when stuff was still being released on VHS and not DVD. You could buy the VHS, knowing that you'd be double-dipping one day or just wait. Nobody interested in quality would buy an Alliance release unless they HAVE to have it RIGHT NOW. If you do, more power to you.

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All they're trying to do is offer us something we can't get anywhere else at the moment. What's wrong with that? I'd gladly take a not-so-great hi-def version of a movie I love to tide me over until a better version comes out. And the prices of their releases are so cheap, I don't feel like I'm being ripped off at all.

That's all great. Just not sure why you're taking issue with anyone questioning the quality of their releases. You're admitting the product is "not-so-great" yourself, so where's the argument here? You're just ok with "not-so-great" and are ok with double dipping. Nothing wrong with that, but you have to see where some people aren't gonna be as into that as you...

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You can feel free to not spend your money on Alliance releases and wait years to get a better version from the US. Just please try to understand how all this business works and stop hating a company for something that's out of their control.

??? It's totally in their control! Their business is to release cheap product with leftover transfers! This doesn't make much sense... Anyone remember Goodtimes video - they'd put out cheapo EP VHS tapes. People who liked to spend very little money might like them - their business model was low quality, cheap prices. Guess what? People who cared about quality didn't like them. It is ok to not like a company that puts out substandard product. They know it's substandard. You know it's substandard. Not sure why anyone who doesn't like substandard product should be giving them a break.... beyond making the double-dippers feel better about their temporary purchase...

And, in this case, I think we all know the odds of a US release by April are pretty high. Alliance is gonna have a pretty short "exclusive" in this region.
post #38 of 58
The AU disc starts to look a lot better! Still waiting for Warner tho
post #39 of 58
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

The AU disc starts to look a lot better! Still waiting for Warner tho

Not Warner, Dimension Films/Disney. And not Miramax (anymore) either according to Wikipedia, despite what posters on some other forums think.
post #40 of 58
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Originally Posted by BrandonJF View Post

Their business is to release cheap product with leftover transfers!

It still strikes me as so odd that, even after endless discussion, people have no clue about this.

90% of everything Alliance releases is absolutely identical to the American releases. Identical. The exact same discs. I've already mentioned that in this thread and others.

That's what Alliance does. They distribute discs. It's no great mystery or puzzle.

If you live in Canada, and you want to buy THE MIST, you buy the Alliance distributed discs. It's the same as the U.S. set...two discs, same extras, one with the B&W version. The exact same 2 disc set.

THAT is "their business".

In addition to distributing a lot of American product, they also make available a small number of other titles to which they own Canadian rights. When better transfers of those limited number of titles become available, Alliance then makes the better transfer available (again, my previous example of SIN CITY applies).

I'm not sure why this is so hard for some people to grasp.
post #41 of 58
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Originally Posted by Dex Robinson View Post

That's simply not true at all.

Almost all of the Alliance issues are with the Canadian exclusives where the Americans got NOTHING.

With a couple of exceptions, Alliance has replaced weak transfers with better transfers when they became available. Obvious examples would be SIN CITY and A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET. We got these as Canadian Exclusives long before the United States. When they became available as new transfer in the U.S., Alliance released them here as well.

ANOES was actually the version Warner had ready in late 2007/2008 but never released it. They went back and restored it for the 2010 BD Release. At least, that's what I was told.
post #42 of 58
the audio on the aussie disc is bad.
post #43 of 58
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Originally Posted by BrandonJF View Post

??? It's totally in their control! Their business is to release cheap product with leftover transfers! This doesn't make much sense... Anyone remember Goodtimes video - they'd put out cheapo EP VHS tapes. People who liked to spend very little money might like them - their business model was low quality, cheap prices. Guess what? People who cared about quality didn't like them. It is ok to not like a company that puts out substandard product. They know it's substandard. You know it's substandard. Not sure why anyone who doesn't like substandard product should be giving them a break.... beyond making the double-dippers feel better about their temporary purchase...

And, in this case, I think we all know the odds of a US release by April are pretty high. Alliance is gonna have a pretty short "exclusive" in this region.

I guarantee you that 9 out of 10 people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the Canadian disc and (if it ever comes out) USA disc. Many people are happy enough to buy BD movies from Alliance since the studios that hold the USA rights to them don't care to release them. Any exclusive Newline/Warner, Universal released by Alliance is because the USA studios passed on releasing them at the same time. Alliance had the rights to do so by such and such date, even if the USA studios didn't follow through.

With the piss-poor treatment USA studios are showing towards catalog, I'm very happy with Alliance. I know what I'm getting - either great quality or half-assed. It's not a surprise like other studios spring upon us.

And my copy is in the mail
post #44 of 58
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post

the audio on the aussie disc is bad.

How so? Is there some sort of significant defect? I was just about to order it, so I'm interested in knowing.
post #45 of 58
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Originally Posted by MSmith83 View Post

How so? Is there some sort of significant defect? I was just about to order it, so I'm interested in knowing.

Several people have reported that it's PAL-pitched.
post #46 of 58
Oh, thanks for the information. In that case, I can easily wait for a US release.
post #47 of 58
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Originally Posted by MSmith83 View Post

Oh, thanks for the information. In that case, I can easily wait for a US release.

Enjoy the possible very long wait.
post #48 of 58
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD View Post

Enjoy the possible very long wait.

I will be biting my fingernails the entire time I'm without a precious HD disc of Scream, but I'll manage somehow.
post #49 of 58
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Originally Posted by MSmith83 View Post

I will be biting my fingernails the entire time I'm without a precious HD disc of Scream, but I'll manage somehow.

So we even bother posting in this thread if you don't care about Scream?
post #50 of 58
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD View Post

So we even bother posting in this thread if you don't care about Scream?

That is quite the illogical conclusion you have come to. I care about Scream; it's just that I would rather wait and see what a US version has to offer than later regret a current purchase. My sarcastic comment was more an indication that there is plenty to enjoy (other films, music, a jog, etc.) during the wait for a quality HD copy of this film.
post #51 of 58
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD View Post

Enjoy the possible very long wait.

Please. If any disc is a sure thing to be released in the U.S. very shortly, it's this. I've waited forever for Scream to just be anamorphic. I can wait until April. If it doesn't get released in April, I will be absolutely shocked.

I just can't believe how defensive you guys are getting about people not wanting to buy what everyone - even the people buying it - will admit are more than likely going to be inferior to what will eventually be released in the U.S.

The whole argument that it's the best thing out there currently is just great. More power to you! Do you guys really need everyone else to justify your purchase by agreeing it's a great idea to buy what will one day be an inferior product?
post #52 of 58
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD View Post

I guarantee you that 9 out of 10 people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the Canadian disc and (if it ever comes out) USA disc.

Super. They aren't frequenting this forum, though. I guess if the difference is so negligible, you won't be double-dipping when the U.S. disc comes out, right?

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With the piss-poor treatment USA studios are showing towards catalog, I'm very happy with Alliance. I know what I'm getting - either great quality or half-assed. It's not a surprise like other studios spring upon us.

??? Huh? You know what you're getting with the two possible options being "great quality" or "half-assed"? How is that knowing what you are getting?

And it sounds like you're saying that you take comfort in knowing in advance that the product might be" half-assed"? This is just mind boggling. I've never seen such defense for substandard product in these forums before that I can recall.
post #53 of 58
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Originally Posted by Dex Robinson View Post

It still strikes me as so odd that, even after endless discussion, people have no clue about this.

90% of everything Alliance releases is absolutely identical to the American releases. Identical. The exact same discs. I've already mentioned that in this thread and others.

Will it make you feel better if I just say we're talking about the remaining 10%? Specifically, these "exclusives"? Guess what? That 10% is still part of "their business". This thread is about 1 of those titles in your 10%.

This is silly. This defense is "they do the best with what they've got". Who cares? If what they've got is lackluster, why should we buy it? I don't fault them for trying to sell it. I just don't get why you guys are getting so defensive with people who don't want to buy it... especially when there is no argument against the notion that the product will be substandard!

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That's what Alliance does. They distribute discs. It's no great mystery or puzzle.

Who said it was?

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If you live in Canada, and you want to buy THE MIST, you buy the Alliance distributed discs. It's the same as the U.S. set...two discs, same extras, one with the B&W version. The exact same 2 disc set.

THAT is "their business".

Unfortunately, we aren't talking about "The Mist". We're talking about Scream and these other "Exclusives" Alliance has thrown out.

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In addition to distributing a lot of American product, they also make available a small number of other titles to which they own Canadian rights. When better transfers of those limited number of titles become available, Alliance then makes the better transfer available (again, my previous example of SIN CITY applies).

I'm not sure why this is so hard for some people to grasp.

Me either... So... when Alliance replaces the old transfers, everyone that bought the inferior one gets a free replacement, right? If so, I could see why people would have no problem buying now and then just getting your replacement after the US discs come out.
post #54 of 58
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Originally Posted by MSmith83 View Post

I will be biting my fingernails the entire time I'm without a precious HD disc of Scream, but I'll manage somehow.

Especially since it's basically a lock that it will be released next year when the fourth film is released, either in theaters or on Blu-Ray. I can see this being released in March, with "movie money" to see the fourth film in April.
post #55 of 58
Sweet jesus, all those screenshots are f'ing hideous If this film now falls under Disney's umbrella I'd be amazed if they put this master out.
post #56 of 58
Specs here

Matched as closely as I could to the shots in this German review, which are downscaled to 720p but still show how much less grainy the Alliance BD is. And how awful the 16:9 cropping on the German BD is.

post #57 of 58
Specs here

Same deal again, I tried to match to the German shots.

post #58 of 58
Well, the PQ is certainly scary.
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