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The Review at a Glance: ( max score: 5 )

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Audio/Video total rating:

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78






Studio and Year: Metro Goldwyn Mayer- 1981
MPAA Rating: R
Feature running time: 99 minutes
Genre: Action/Sci-Fi


Disc Format: BD-50
Encoding: AVC (MPEG-4)
Video Aspect: 2.35:1
Resolution: 1080p/24


Audio Format(s): English DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1, English/French Dolby Digital 5.1
Subtitles: English SDH, Spanish
Starring: Kurt Russell, Lee Van Cleef, Donald Pleasence, Ernest Borgnine, Issac Hayes, Tom Atkins, Harry Dean Stanton, Adriene Barbeau
Directed by: John Carpenter
Music by: John Carpenter & Alan Harworth
Written by: John Carpenter & Nick Castle
Region Code: A

Blu-ray Disc release Date: August 03, 2010







"The world's greatest leader is a hostage in the most dangerous place on Earth. Now only the deadliest man alive can save him."



Film Synopsis:

A thrilling landmark film that jolts along at a breakneck pace, Escape From New York leapt to cult status with high-octane action, edge-of-your-seat suspense and a mind-blowing vision of a lone warrior battling his way out of a post-apocalyptic Manhattan! Hailed as "stylish and scary" (Los Angeles Times), "dark and dangerous" (Newsweek) and "gloriously...fun" (Tyler Morning Telegraph), this fast-paced and furiously entertaining thriller grabs you by the throat and won't let go! In a world ravaged by crime, the entire island of Manhattan has been converted to a walled prison where brutal prisoners roam. But when the U.S. President crash-lands inside, only one man can bring him back: notorious outlaw and former Special Forces war hero Snake Plissken . But time is short: in 24 hours, an explosive device implanted in his neck will end Snake's mission and his life unless he succeeds!




My Take:

Just so you know where I am coming from, I am a huge Carpenter fan. 'They Live', 'The Thing' and 'Halloween' are a few of my favorite movies. For me, 'Escape From New York' is one of those films that to this day, resonated better in theory than when I watch it. I bought into it's cult-classic hype, re-visiting multiple times, always hoping I would be blown away and see what others supposedly see in it. Well yet again, I didn't.

I cant say more about the premise of this film than is in the above synopsis. I will sum up my feelings, as I assume most everyone reading this has seen 'Escape From New York'. Set in the future, the year is 1997. If that doesn't date the film, I don't know what will! Manhattan Island is now a maximum-security prison and has been since 1988. They were right with that prediction, as my in-laws live in NY and when there, I really need to escape from New York as well!

The films major fault is its lack of scale. I know that sounds weird, as it attempts to recreate (or is it create?) a post-apocalyptic NYC as a prison, and does a decent job, almost making the location a character in and of itself. It just lacks action. I really wanted more balls-to-the-wall action. Everything was lined up for a huge explosions, fights and all out insanity (after all, we are on an island filled with and run by convicts), but it never delivers. It also never fully delivers with its character development. If both of these aspects were little more realized, 'Escape From New York' would have easily excelled to the next level.

What 'Escape From New York' gets right is its creation of one of, if not the best anti-hero's in cinematic history. Kurt Russell as Snake Plissken is brilliant! This guy as a complete jerk. He is a convicted felon, a tough guy you should hate; He is completely arrogant and almost soul-less. Somehow we love him and root him on...maybe it's his great lines and straight faced wise-cracking? The character, look (the iconic eye patch) and just about everything about Snake is perfect for its time and this movie. Sadly the film fails such a great character as Snake by never giving him a villain or obstacle (besides the ticking clock) that is dark or threatening enough to be a worthy adversary. Even with its great supporting cast (Lee Van Cleef, Donald Pleasence, Ernest Borgnine, Issac Hayes, Tom Atkins, Harry Dean Stanton and Adriene Barbeau) the movie feels thin and is frankly a bit slow. On the upside, 'Escape From New York' is cool enough to have a bit cult status to it, especially its man character of Snake and its premise which still feels fresh almost 30 years later.


Parental Guide:

Rated R for Nudity, disturbing images, language and brief sexuality.






AUDIO/VIDEO - By The Numbers:
REFERENCE = 92-100 / EXCELLENT = 83-91 / GOOD = 74-82 / AVERAGE = 65-73 / BELOW AVERAGE = under 65

**My audio/video ratings are based upon a comparative made against other high definition media/blu-ray disc.**


(Each rating is worth 4 points with a max of 5 per category)

Audio: 78



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Video: 78



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'Escape From New York comes to Blu-ray Disc from Fox Entertainment featuring 1080p AVC encoded video that has an average bitrate of 36 Mbps and DTS-HD MA 5.1 sound that has an average bitrate of 3.8 Mbps.

Fox/MGM's Blu-ray release of 'Escape From New York is far superior to previous DVD incarnations as well as the UK Blu-ray release from Optimum Home Entertainment, which I happen to have but never watched until this review. This is far from reference video, soft at times and a bit noisy as well, but it looks better than it ever has on home video. On a good note there are times where it's high resolution shows of details that you have never seen in the film. Set mostly in the dark and at night, blacks levels are a bit inconsistent. Going from inky with nice details to a bit crushed. I believe most of the issues are inherent with the cinematography more than the encode. Colors are nice and even in comparison the the UK Blu-ray, not over or under-saturated and they look real, especially in the scenes in the beginning with Snake and Hauk (Lee Van Cleef).

The DTS-HD MA track is in the same boat as the video. It is the best it has been, but the source seems to have left a bit to be desired. Especially in dynamics. Gunfire, sound effects and surround channels are a bit underwhelming. This is a front sound-stage heavy mix, with a nice wide spread. Dialogue was a bit low throughout the film, but never completely swallowed. I just wished this mix had a bigger scope or range. The good news is there were enough times where the effect channels do pull you in, and the sound-stage does open up nicely. A big leap above the DVD audio just nothing thats going to blow your mind and completely rock your room..

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Bonus Features:



  • DVD Disc


Final Thoughts:

'Escape From New York' looks and sounds the best it has on home video. Its video quality surpasses the UK Blu-ray release from Optimum Home Entertainment that I happen to have a copy of. My recommendation is that if you can handle a release with no special features, well, besides the dvd copy (which will come in handy on a road trip with your 5 year old), and you are a fan of the film, then the Blu-ray is worth a purchase. If you have yet to see 'Escape From New York', I strongly suggest a rental first. Oh and one last piece of advice. Whatever you do, skip the sequel, 1996's 'Escape from L.A.', it was terrible!





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Lee Weber
AVS Forum Blu-ray Reviews




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JVC DLA-RS35 1080p High Definition Front Projector (Calibrated by Jeff Meier)
Custom 1.3 Gain 128" 2.37:1 CinemaScope Screen
Pioneer SC27 Receiver (Calibrated by Jeff Meier)
Pioneer Elite BDP-23FD Blu-ray Player (HDMI Audio/Video)
Triangle Zerius Speakers (7.1)
SVS PC13-Ultra Subwoofer
post #2 of 29
Blast from the past! There should be a BR copy of Battletruck!
post #3 of 29
Call me "Snake".... Weber.

Love it!
post #4 of 29
Aren't you Snake Plissken?

I agree with your review of the film. It's fun but overrated among Carpenter fans. At least it's better than the horrible sequel Escape from L.A..
post #5 of 29
I'm disappointed by the low score.. It's a true classic with a great sound track.. Great supporting cast.. Yes, the story is a bit thin, & not as epic as I had hoped, but this was a pretty low budget film.. It is slow at times.. But snake will go down as one of the most memorable characters in cinema.. 4/5 IMO..
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Originally Posted by KBI View Post

I'm disappointed by the low score.. It's a true classic with a great sound track.. Great supporting cast.. Yes, the story is a bit thin, & not as epic as I had hoped, but this was a pretty low budget film.. It is slow at times.. But snake will go down as one of the most memorable characters in cinema.. 4/5 IMO..

Low score, yes...Blu-ray worthy, yes. Its just not Avatar.
It was filmed in 1980 and in the dark...It has source limitations.
For all intense and purposes, this is a good release.
post #7 of 29
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Originally Posted by Dr. Spankenstein View Post

Call me "Snake".... Weber.

Love it!

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Originally Posted by spivonious View Post

Aren't you Snake Plissken?

I agree with your review of the film. It's fun but overrated among Carpenter fans. At least it's better than the horrible sequel Escape from L.A..

I had some free time today
post #8 of 29
Lol! 2.5 out of 5!? This should get a 4 on principle alone!

"I don't give a f@#* about your war... Or your president"
"Is that your answer?"
"I'm thinking about it."

"I swear to god, snake, I thought you were dead!"
"yeah-- you and everybody else."
post #9 of 29
Excellent review, but I must insist that you reassess the audio!

The dynamics sub category seems a tad bit too low for how excellent it really is, and I didn't notice anything amiss at all about the dialogue, but I'm wasn't listening to the dialog for a review though. I do know that the dynamics I would say is off though IMO.

Excellent work MGM. This soundtrack can not get any better IMO, and the reproduction was transparent to the studio:

DTS-HD Master Audio English 3876 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 3876 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)

as opposed to the 16-bit sampling w/ twice less the bit-rate as found on the Optimum UK disc.

The audio should score a little bit higher than the video on this disc.
post #10 of 29
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Originally Posted by FendersRule View Post

Excellent review, but I must insist that you reassess the audio!

The dynamics sub category seems a tad bit too low for how excellent it really is, and I didn't notice anything amiss at all about the dialogue, but I'm wasn't listening to the dialog for a review though. I do know that the dynamics I would say is off though IMO.

Excellent work MGM. This soundtrack can not get any better IMO, and the reproduction was transparent to the studio:

DTS-HD Master Audio English 3876 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 3876 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)

as opposed to the 16-bit sampling w/ twice less the bit-rate as found on the Optimum UK disc.

The audio should score a little bit higher than the video on this disc.

In my room, tuned and calibrated, giving it a spin at reference levels, I was missing a little in the low end at times and I felt the dynamics were a little flat. Considering I gave the LFE 4 out of 5 and dynamics 3.5 out of 5 is not really bashing it. Dialogue did go a bit low as well on multiple occasions...I re-checked when I noticed it.

Thanks for the note! And I am glad you are excited and enjoying this release! Like I said, this is the best I have heard or seen it...
post #11 of 29
Thanks Lee for your hard work! I appreciate it.

Flip back and forth between the lossy and lossless tracks. It will blow your mind, I guarantee it. I have never heard such a difference on a Blu-ray disc-- this makes it the ultra comparison disc for lossy vs lossless. Likewise, I feel terribly sorry for anyone without lossless capabilities while watching this BD. However, I do feel that the lossy track is gimped compared to the PAL 5.1 track, but the BD DTS-HD-MA track provides a solid step up from that one though.

It's that good.
post #12 of 29
Any movie with Adriene Barbeau in it is a "6" in my book!

Gotta get this one.
post #13 of 29
i know it's silly, but i love this movie and always have. i'm thrilled it's finally on blu-ray, and i will be buying it.

the Duke of New York was such a ridiculous villain, complete with chandeliers on his 'ride', that the only cheesy screen villain I enjoy more is Sho 'Nuff from "The Last Dragon".

As a musician, I always appreciated how John Carpenter scored his own films, and despite that the soundtrack is VERY dated, I still get a kick out of that theme song.

thanks for the review!
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Originally Posted by FendersRule View Post

Thanks Lee for your hard work! I appreciate it.

Flip back and forth between the lossy and lossless tracks. It will blow your mind, I guarantee it. I have never heard such a difference on a Blu-ray disc-- this makes it the ultra comparison disc for lossy vs lossless.

I did that this AM. I completely agree about the difference, it is quite noticeable. However, when scoring a release I compare it against what are the best (reference) tracks out there in its genre(s), not it's lossy counterpart.
And 78 is not a bad score in the grand scheme of things...thats like a 7.8 out of 10

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Originally Posted by chimpuat View Post

As a musician, I always appreciated how John Carpenter scored his own films, and despite that the soundtrack is VERY dated, I still get a kick out of that theme song.

thanks for the review!

You are welcome!
I am a musician as well I have a love/hate with his scores. Some are just brilliantly infectious and others come from left field, like In the Mouth of Madness where he completely rips off Enter Sandman, I do love The Thing's theme.
post #15 of 29
I think John Carpenter's best scores are when he worked alone or collaborated with Alan Howarth. His later scores with Jim Lang and/or Dave Davies don't do much for me, although the main title composition to Village of the Damned is quite addictive.
post #16 of 29
Ennio Morricone did the stunning music for "The Thing," which is Carpenter's masterpiece movie. A writer once asked John Carpenter why he personalized his movie titles (John Carpenter's "The Ghosts Of Mars," etc) and Carpenter replied; "Because nobody else makes this kind of sh*t!"

Spot on review of both the disk and the movie of "Escape From New York," Lee. It did take more than 30 seconds to run up or down the World Trade Center, however. Kurt Russell was also at his best in "The Thing" and very funny in "Big Trouble In Little China." A wonderful director/actor team. Their audio commentaries show how great work can grow out of great friendships.
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Originally Posted by capnvid View Post

Kurt Russell was also at his best in "The Thing" and very funny in "Big Trouble In Little China." A wonderful director/actor team. Their audio commentaries show how great work can grow out of great friendships.


Greetings,

+1


Regards,
post #18 of 29
When I saw that you only gave The Snake 2.5 stars I thought hey what's going on here but when I read your take on the movie I found I pretty much agreed with you. I'm not a huge Carpenter fan. It's pretty much The Thing and Escape From New York for me.

The problem for me when it comes to reviewers movie ratings is a comparative one. For instance you gave this movie the same rating as Ralph Potts gave to "The Last Song". I mean Escape From New York v The Last Song? not even a close contest, yet they both have the same score.
post #19 of 29
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Originally Posted by gnj1958 View Post

When I saw that you only gave The Snake 2.5 stars I thought hey what's going on here but when I read your take on the movie I found I pretty much agreed with you. I'm not a huge Carpenter fan. It's pretty much The Thing and Escape From New York for me.

The problem for me when it comes to reviewers movie ratings is a comparative one. For instance you gave this movie the same rating as Ralph Potts gave to "The Last Song". I mean Escape From New York v The Last Song? not even a close contest, yet they both have the same score.

Greetings,

I rate films within their respective genre and Lee does as well. The Last song and Escapre from New York are obviously two entirely different genres.

Regards,
post #20 of 29
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Originally Posted by capnvid View Post

Their audio commentaries show how great work can grow out of great friendships.

Which begs the question: why was their excellent laserdisc commentary not ported over for this release?
post #21 of 29
Nudity? Remind me which scene has nudity (hopefully Adrienne Barbeau)?
post #22 of 29
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Originally Posted by qz3fwd View Post

Nudity? Remind me which scene has nudity (hopefully Adrienne Barbeau)?

No it was some punk-rock looking girl that a couple guys were manhandling. For Adrienne, you'll have to watch SWAMP THING!
post #23 of 29
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Originally Posted by miminom View Post

I was very disappointed by this movie, when he looked it. He seemed very made up of a secondary script, filed with the bright cover.

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Huh?
post #24 of 29
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Originally Posted by film113 View Post

No it was some punk-rock looking girl that a couple guys were manhandling. For Adrienne, you'll have to watch SWAMP THING!

Yep! You will see a side nipple in Swamp Thing. John Carpenter was a lucky man to have had her. Beautiful rack, seriously.

Swamp Thing- Not so much of a good movie. Heh.
post #25 of 29
Hey Lee.. love the eyepatch .. a liitle photoshop ..??
post #26 of 29
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Originally Posted by FendersRule View Post

Yep! You will see a side nipple in Swamp Thing. John Carpenter was a lucky man to have had her. Beautiful rack, seriously.

Swamp Thing- Not so much of a good movie. Heh.

You must have only seen a truncated version...you get more than that on the uncut edition. (The DVD of which was quickly pulled by MGM when mommies found out that comic book movies offered a bit more than the old BATMAN TV show!)

SWAMP THING is another character that is due for a reboot...in fact, it could reboot TWO characters...Swampy and Constantine (who first appeared in the ST comic books.)
post #27 of 29
lol at the scores I mean really now when that movie was released (1981) there was no such thing as surround sound or any other things like subwoofers in your average theature for the most part. Same could be said for stock film quality......
post #28 of 29
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Originally Posted by Lee Weber View Post

Low score, yes...Blu-ray worthy, yes. Its just not Avatar.
It was filmed in 1980 and in the dark...It has source limitations.
For all intense and purposes, this is a good release.

True.. Wish it had a bigger budget.. Great cast.. "Harold."
post #29 of 29
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Originally Posted by film113 View Post

You must have only seen a truncated version...you get more than that on the uncut edition. (The DVD of which was quickly pulled by MGM when mommies found out that comic book movies offered a bit more than the old BATMAN TV show!)

You're right, it didn't take much looking to find one of the uncut scenes at Break.com.
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