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Originally Posted by PeterTHX View Post

Everyone knows the first 2 seasons were on shaky ground, but by the third season the show hit its stride and by the 4th was must-watch television.

This.

I'm not particularly looking forward to paying Paramount Pricing for seven more seasons of TNG (I did it once already).. hopefully I can get the whole series at a good price on some distant day.
post #1502 of 2431
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Originally Posted by PeterTHX View Post

Everyone knows the first 2 seasons were on shaky ground, but by the third season the show hit its stride and by the 4th was must-watch television. [/i], etc.

Yup, The Rick Berman era brought good things, like Ron Moore, as well aa some bad things like Brannon Braga.
post #1503 of 2431
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Originally Posted by PeterTHX View Post

You had the DVDs 24 years ago?

First run it looked like a well produced NTSC TV show with great FX and pretty decent MTS stereo surround. I don't know what your standards were for TV watching but I'd like for you to name a show broadcast in 1987 that looked much better.


My standarts were simple, a show as to look like film, like they always did. ST:TNG was in a wave of many TV shows who suddenly began to look like video. Their mastering sucked, plain and simple. It looked bad. To be able to finally see those in film quality is way long overdue. (and no I had no DVD but the VHS videos, which were on par with the later made DVDs).
post #1504 of 2431
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Originally Posted by dvdvision View Post

My standarts were simple, a show as to look like film, like they always did. ST:TNG was in a wave of many TV shows who suddenly began to look like video. Their mastering sucked, plain and simple. It looked bad. To be able to finally see those in film quality is way long overdue. (and no I had no DVD but the VHS videos, which were on par with the later made DVDs).

I'd have to disagree on that one. TNG looked fairly "filmlike" despite its video masters, especially when you compare it to shows that were also doing their effects on video like the Twilight Zone remake that was on around the same time. The fact that TNG shot the majority of the FX elements on film probably helped.

Now if you're referring to the overlit style of the photography for the first couple seasons, that can't be helped obviously. When Marvin Rush signed on the show (3rd season) it gained much more texture and creative lighting.

But even flat and overlit I never mistook it for video. Maybe it was my Sony Trinitron.

As for the VHS tapes, while the DVDs were limited they weren't that bad. I went from VHS, to S-VHS (recording on air) to the Columbia House sets to LaserDisc (2 episodes per disc at $34.95 a pop in 1995 dollars, and people b**** about the season sets for $100-$125) to the DVDs. Each time there was an appreciable increase in picture quality. The DVDs cleaned up quite a bit of video noise that was present in the analog formats, especially in the red uniforms.
post #1505 of 2431
I think you mean dull pink uniforms. This teaser BD is the first time they've been red (aside from Generations).
post #1506 of 2431
I think washed out burgundy and mustard is the better qualifier.



And yes, there's only 12 or 13 episodes in season 1 & 2 worth their lick. But, they're pretty good and it's interesting to see how they grow together from a cast to a crew.
post #1507 of 2431
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Originally Posted by PeterTHX View Post

As for the VHS tapes, while the DVDs were limited they weren't that bad. I went from VHS, to S-VHS (recording on air) to the Columbia House sets to LaserDisc (2 episodes per disc at $34.95 a pop in 1995 dollars, and people b**** about the season sets for $100-$125) to the DVDs. Each time there was an appreciable increase in picture quality. The DVDs cleaned up quite a bit of video noise that was present in the analog formats, especially in the red uniforms.

I thought the color saturation was much better on the laserdisc releases than the later dvd sets.
post #1508 of 2431
I went and removed from my Netflix instant queue star trek the next generation. Even though it will be a few years before all the season are out and possibly longer before I buy them depending on price I think I will prefer to see the show in HD because of how good the sampler was. And there is many episodes I either don't remember due to seeing them when I was really young or simply never saw and I would prefer to see them all in HD.
post #1509 of 2431
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Originally Posted by chestnu1 View Post

I went and removed from my Netflix instant queue star trek the next generation. Even though it will be a few years before all the season are out and possibly longer before I buy them depending on price I think I will prefer to see the show in HD because of how good the sampler was. And there is many episodes I either don't remember due to seeing them when I was really young or simply never saw and I would prefer to see them all in HD.

I did the same. Bring on the Blu!
post #1510 of 2431
I also finally watched the sampler recently. I agree with the others that the Encounter at Farpoint wasn't the best but the overall quality was pretty darn good.

Bring on the season boxsets...

Seggers
post #1511 of 2431
I too have recently seen the sampler disc and I will be buying the season releases on Blu-Ray as it is worth the money for me to see the show with that level of quality. Hopefully, they will retain the 2.0 stereo mixes for the season boxsets as I actually liked that mix more than the remastered surround remix.
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It looks like Netflix is not carrying the sampler BD. I wonder if they're going to carry the TNG seasons on BD when they become available. It is probably too early to even speculate before we have a release date. Does anybody have an inside scoop?
post #1513 of 2431
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Originally Posted by PeterTHX View Post

The fact that it ran a full 7 seasons, went on to films, had 2 different spinoffs didn't make you wonder perhaps you'd judged it a bit too soon?

No. The original series was only on for three seasons. I guess it sucked. No reason to watch that!

On the other hand the television series "7th Heaven" was on for eleven seasons. I guess that makes it among the best shows television has ever produced.

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SEQUEL. Not remake. They mention what happened in the original episode even.

A "sequel" in which the same things happened as in the original. No matter what you call it, it was still god damn lazy work from a bunch of writers who simply could not come up with anything original so they shamelessly reworked a plot from the original series. In the second episode!

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There are numerous episode guides out there. Everyone knows the first 2 seasons were on shaky ground, but by the third season the show hit its stride and by the 4th was must-watch television. But even in the first 2 seasons there were gems like 11001001, Conspiracy, Q-Who, The Measure of A Man, etc.

How many of these plots ended with the problem resolving itself while the crew did effectively nothing but watch and comment?
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How much would it cost to redo everything in HD? Just curious. Are we talking billions of dollars?

Just trying to get an idea for other shows I watch that could be brought to Blu-ray someday. They are also fairly SFX heavy.
post #1515 of 2431
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Originally Posted by magnetite View Post

How much would it cost to redo everything in HD? Just curious. Are we talking billions of dollars?

The fans would do it for nothing, if given the chance, but a snowballs chance in hell that would be.
post #1516 of 2431
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Originally Posted by scowl View Post

How many of these plots ended with the problem resolving itself while the crew did effectively nothing but watch and comment?

C'mon dude, as if that power is just going to reroute by itself or the deflector array is going to inverse its polarity by itself. Do shield harmonics randomly change frequencies on their own? I think not. Someone has to do that. And you need someone to say "emergency lights" and "emergency power" because those things can't possibly automated even in the 24th century. LOL

So I must ask that if you don't like TNG, then why are you trolling in this thread? Redundant question is redundant.
post #1517 of 2431
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Originally Posted by scowl View Post

No. The original series was only on for three seasons. I guess it sucked. No reason to watch that!

Well, TOS was the only TREK series to get worse as it went along. Even some of the dregs of TNG's first and second season were gems compared to some of TOS' third season misfires.

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On the other hand the television series "7th Heaven" was on for eleven seasons. I guess that makes it among the best shows television has ever produced.

TNG was a ratings success because it had good stories and kept its audience.

And not sure what 7th Heaven has to do with it, it had a loyal audience and I don't remember reviews saying it was a terrible show.

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A "sequel" in which the same things happened as in the original. No matter what you call it, it was still god damn lazy work from a bunch of writers who simply could not come up with anything original so they shamelessly reworked a plot from the original series. In the second episode!

It was deliberate: to see how the characters behaved when not held back by Starfleet protocol. Was it a success? No. But I consider The Naked Now a guilty pleasure.

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How many of these plots ended with the problem resolving itself while the crew did effectively nothing but watch and comment?

I don't know, you tell me since you're obviously the expert.
post #1518 of 2431
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Originally Posted by scowl View Post

This was painfully clear in just the second episode when they remade the classic episode "The Naked Time" by eliminating all the tension and emotion that made the original so gripping (the sci fi element wasn't that interesting). I couldn't believe they were already so lost for new ideas that they had no choice but to remake a previous episode.

I believe their intentions in making The Naked Now the second episode of Season 1 was in order to introduce the audience to the brand new characters of TNG. When the episode originally aired, we know nothing about these characters backgrounds, desires, needs. By providing the macguffin of an inhibition-removing disease, we get to see into the inner minds of these characters without having to do Real World-style confessionals.
post #1519 of 2431
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Originally Posted by magnetite View Post

How much would it cost to redo everything in HD? Just curious. Are we talking billions of dollars?

Well, it's a TV show about space exploration, not actual space exploration! If you stop to think about what you're suggesting, each 45 minute episode of TNG in HD would cost about $11 million dollars! (2 billion divided by 178). But it's actually more like $11 million for the whole series.

Figure about $0.03 a frame or about $500 an hour (of lab time). 25,000 reels of film x 15,840 frames per reel = $11.8 million dollars.

But that's just the transfer to HD. That doesn't include the editing, compositing or additional VFX that need to be created.
post #1520 of 2431
Wow, how'd I miss the sampler bluray?
Heck, I was late for a wedding because a new episode of TNG was on back in 1991....

Ordered from amazon, looking fwd to seeing it.

Is there a screen shot thread here at AVS?
post #1521 of 2431
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Originally Posted by mtbdudex View Post

Wow, how'd I miss the sampler bluray?
Heck, I was late for a wedding because a new episode of TNG was on back in 1991....

Ordered from amazon, looking fwd to seeing it.

Is there a screen shot thread here at AVS?

Go back a few pages you will find pleanty.
post #1522 of 2431
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Originally Posted by mtbdudex View Post

Is there a screen shot thread here at AVS?


TNG Blu-ray Sampler Screencaps
post #1523 of 2431
For those that have haven't seen this yet, the Amazon.co.uk page shows TNG Season One has a release date of July 23rd. It's also for pre-order at Sainsbury's for £50.99. That's $80.87 in US dollars. Trekcore has picked up this as well now. Pretty cool if true... about 2 months earlier than we expected.

Also, if you check out Robert Meyer Burnett's twitter feed (@BurnettRM) he's been posting some photos from the TNG edit bay over the last few weeks. Here's a look at the new crystalline entity from Datalore:



Here's the original:

post #1524 of 2431
Yes please!
post #1525 of 2431
Nice!
post #1526 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Maxwell Everett View Post
For those that have haven't seen this yet, the Amazon.co.uk page shows TNG Season One has a release date of July 23rd. It's also for pre-order at Sainsbury's for £50.99. That's $80.87 in US dollars.
Is that including VAT? They remove that when we order from Amazon UK stateside, which would drop it to close to $68 or so.
post #1527 of 2431
Fantastic news. This is my most anticipated Blu-ray release in some time.
post #1528 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Brandon B View Post

Is that including VAT? They remove that when we order from Amazon UK stateside, which would drop it to close to $68 or so.

To check, I added it to my cart and they had a graphic a couple pages in that said, "Currently we only deliver to the UK."
post #1529 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Brandon B View Post

Is that including VAT? They remove that when we order from Amazon UK stateside, which would drop it to close to $68 or so.

Yes. Prices listed in the UK are always with VAT. They don't tack on the tax like they do in the US ($19.99 + tax). It's usually when you get to the last checkout page on Amazon when they tell you that VAT was removed.
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I've watched two episodes so far. (Encounter and Inner Light). The re-mastering is excellent and all things considered it's amazing how good these look.

That said, I don't get nearly the "wow" or joy out of watching these episodes as I do from the original series. The OS looks simultaneously more "wow" in terms of detail, yet more film-like and more dramatic and cinematic as well. Not to mention I find the characters and acting (especially Spock and early Kirk) more compelling on the OS.
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