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post #1621 of 2431
Deep stuff and great quote. I still like to "explore strange new worlds" and for me is the main reason to watch Star Trek. I also watch and really enjoy Touch which I would argue is miles better than any Star Trek for exploring the human condition.
post #1622 of 2431
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Originally Posted by thorr View Post

Deep stuff and great quote. I still like to "explore strange new worlds" and for me is the main reason to watch Star Trek. I also watch and really enjoy Touch which I would argue is miles better than any Star Trek for exploring the human condition.

Yeh but ST TNG/DS9 is just much more fun
post #1623 of 2431
Pricing is sort of available now. SRP is $118, and you can pre-order for $79.99. http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Sta...-Blu-ray/16950
post #1624 of 2431
Yup.. typical Paramount pricing for Trek. I just picked up two seasons of Fringe online for less than that. Way less than that, in fact.
post #1625 of 2431
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Originally Posted by thorr View Post

Pricing is sort of available now. SRP is $118, and you can pre-order for $79.99. http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Sta...-Blu-ray/16950

That is really disappointing. I really don't believe that many people will be willing to pay $80 for one season of TV, even TNG. Only the hardest-core (and/or richest) fans will go for this price point.

Guess I will have to PVR these when they are aired in syndication in HD.
post #1626 of 2431
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Originally Posted by thorr View Post

Pricing is sort of available now. SRP is $118, and you can pre-order for $79.99. http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Sta...-Blu-ray/16950

lolz Paramount. Get real.
post #1627 of 2431
I noticed that MSRP for TOS on Amazon says $129.99 and currently going for ~$70...

So... IF these are $118 MSRP, then wouldn't that translate more to $60? I read the article, so I'm curious to see once Amazon lists.

Meanwhile... I bought all of my TOS Blu-rays for $45-$55 each... and even that is well more than many modern TV shows on Blu-ray are costing.

I think given this economy, either we will see some sales and be able to pick these up much cheaper OR they will sell very poorly if prices stay that high compared to other TV series.

It isn't even about how much they are loved or worth, as it is how many people have that kind of disposable income to put into Blu rays.
post #1628 of 2431
Things to remember too, 26 episodes a season and 45 min a episode. Not a huge deal, but it does add up to a few more "hours of entertainment" per season, and possibly a disc or two more than other TV on BD's.

$60 would put these at $2.30 an episode which seems about standard with release price rates for an episode of a TV show.
post #1629 of 2431
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Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

I noticed that MSRP for TOS on Amazon says $129.99 and currently going for ~$70...

So... IF these are $118 MSRP, then wouldn't that translate more to $60? I read the article, so I'm curious to see once Amazon lists.

Meanwhile... I bought all of my TOS Blu-rays for $45-$55 each... and even that is well more than many modern TV shows on Blu-ray are costing.

I think given this economy, either we will see some sales and be able to pick these up much cheaper OR they will sell very poorly if prices stay that high compared to other TV series.

It isn't even about how much they are loved or worth, as it is how many people have that kind of disposable income to put into Blu rays.

The problem with that thinking is, eventually the economy will get better - long before the whole series is finally released. If they release the early seasons at $50 now while things are bad, will you pay $70 or so later when things are better?

I'd bet not. Once you discount something, it's nearly impossible to get full price for it. Further, unlike a lot of catalog releases, there's some real effort being put into this one.

Do I want them to be cheaper? Sure, but I don't want them to be tossed into the bargain bin and not be worth them releasing all the seasons with the same effort (or at all, for that matter).

Look at it this way: the average movie release happily DNR'd by Universal will run you around $20 for 2 hours or less of entertainment. Let's say this is $80. You get 22+ episodes each season at around 47 minutes each.

That means, while you only get 8 hours of entertainment for $80 with movies, you get over 17 hours of entertainment with each season. That's a lot of bang for the buck.

Now, my hope, though is it will be closer to $70 than $80, though.
post #1630 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Jedi2016 View Post

Yup.. typical Paramount pricing for Trek. I just picked up two seasons of Fringe online for less than that. Way less than that, in fact.

Hardly comparable when you consider the work being put into it... a second time. However, $120 is ridiculous. From the start, I've been prepared to spend ~$60/season. That's how much TOS Blu-ray sets cost. If I have to forgo purchasing one $20 feature Blu-ray in order to pay $70-80, then I might be persuaded. I'll be a lot more likely to pay more for seasons 4-7.
post #1631 of 2431
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Originally Posted by nick_danger View Post

Hardly comparable when you consider the work being put into it... a second time.

I don't know- I think the fact that Fringe is a new release current show pretty well counterbalances the additional work being put into 25-year-old catalog Star Trek.
post #1632 of 2431
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I don't know- I think the fact that Fringe is a new release current show pretty well counterbalances the additional work being put into 25-year-old catalog Star Trek.

I would guess (only a guess) that the cost of producing TNG originally combined with the cost re-editing it and creating new FX today exceeds the cost of a modern production like Fringe (not to slight Fringe). Unlike Fringe, TNG has had 25 years to make back its money and then some, so the argument of cost/profit goes both ways. Either way, TNG Blu-ray is a niche product that only core fans will purchase... and it's priced accordingly. They'll charge what they can get.
post #1633 of 2431
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I don't know- I think the fact that Fringe is a new release current show pretty well counterbalances the additional work being put into 25-year-old catalog Star Trek.

Why? Entertainment is entertainment. It doesn't rot like fruit. (well, at least the good stuff doesn't )

An aged liquor is many times better than cheap new stuff.

Either way, $60-80 for a show that needed years of HD conversion/restoration work to get up to snuff isn't that bad, especially when you factor out $'s/episode. If it's still a little steep, just wait for the almost certain Xmas deals. I wouldn't complain if they made them a tad cheaper, but they also don't seem unreasonable for the scope of the restoration project.

And in the end the BD's are really just a fan service. They might make millions on home video sales, but TNG has made billions in syndication revenue. That's why they went with this.
post #1634 of 2431
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Originally Posted by nick_danger View Post

I would guess (only a guess) that the cost of producing TNG originally combined with the cost re-editing it and creating new FX today exceeds the cost of a modern production like Fringe (not to slight Fringe). Unlike Fringe, TNG has had 25 years to make back its money and then some, so the argument of cost/profit goes both ways.

As has been said earlier in the thread, the relative production costs of TNG versus other shows is irrelevant. There is an established market price for catalog television season boxsets and if TNG doesn't meet it, its sales potential will suffer for it. Paramount/CBS are making a calculated cynical bet that the extra marrow they can suck from the 'buy it at any price' fans will outweigh the revenue they will lose from casual fans who would be interested if not for the price. This move may net them a little more short-term return, but it's at the expense of an expanded fan-base that could be a huge potential revenue source in the future.
post #1635 of 2431
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Why? Entertainment is entertainment. It doesn't rot like fruit. (well, at least the good stuff doesn't )

An aged liquor is many times better than cheap new stuff.

Don't ask me- I don't share the consumer tastes that establish viable price-points. If it were up to me, Casablanca would cost ten times as much as Wrath of the Titans, but the public at large has established that catalog titles can't command the same pricing as new releases.
post #1636 of 2431
It bears repeating... I'm not arguing how much TNG might be "worth"... I'm arguing how much I think people will be willing to pay.

If you could see the new Avengers movie for $10 at the movie theater OR a new showing of Star Trek First Contact for $20, which one are you more likely to spend money to go see?

When I'm able to buy Fringe, and other new 1 hour dramas for <$40 why am I going to pay $80 for TNG from 25 years ago?

I want it... I do... but I don't want it now for $80. For $80 I can wait... and if I wait long enough I'll get a sale or a two-for or something that lets me get it for $50 or less.

Star Wars and Lord of the Rings were uber-popular movies and Blu-ray releases... but how much angst was there when the price was announced until people found they could get those movies for better prices on sale?

TNG will sell at the right price... but the combination of the economy AND that season one is pretty much the worst season, means they need to be careful where they set that price point.

As for the "economy will be better before the rest of the seasons comes out" thought... You and I hope so! But, what about the current prolonged economic downturn convinces you that in 3-5 years we will be all good again?
post #1637 of 2431
Especially considering that I already own every season of Trek on DVD. This isn't a flat-out purchase for me, it's an upgrade. And it's simply not worth that kind of coin, sorry.
post #1638 of 2431
I'm disappointed to hear that there will still be an episode with up-converted footage in the season 1 set. Since it's only one episode, maybe they can do a mail-in for a single replacement disc if they ever find the footage.
post #1639 of 2431
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Originally Posted by spectator View Post

I'm disappointed to hear that there will still be an episode with up-converted footage in the season 1 set. Since it's only one episode, maybe they can do a mail-in for a single replacement disc if they ever find the footage.

Er.. my understanding was that they found the footage for that episode. Is there another episode missing footage?
post #1640 of 2431
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Originally Posted by darkedgex View Post

Er.. my understanding was that they found the footage for that episode. Is there another episode missing footage?

They found the missing 13 seconds from the third season episode "Sins of the Father" that was on the Next Level sampler disc... but they were unable to locate a 2-second shot from the first season episode "We'll Always Have Paris."
post #1641 of 2431
2 seconds... Whoooooo... Pre-order cancelled.
post #1642 of 2431
These threads are just soooo funny. They start with wild excitement and anticipation, then dozens/hundreds of pages of speculation and "advance complaining", then excitement again "mine's on the truck!", and then finally reality sets-in and after racking-up the discs one realizes "it's only a movie" or in this case (worse) "it's only TV".
post #1643 of 2431
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Originally Posted by DJ Mike TJG View Post

2 seconds... Whoooooo... Pre-order cancelled.

post #1644 of 2431
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Originally Posted by nick_danger View Post


I didn't say it's the end of the world; it's just too bad is all.
post #1645 of 2431
I'm sure they will find the footage and then release a fixed disc or something. Given the missing footage so far, I really hope they take their time with the later seasons and go through all the footage they have for every season before they set any release dates for season 2 and onward.
post #1646 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Jedi2016 View Post

Especially considering that I already own every season of Trek on DVD. This isn't a flat-out purchase for me, it's an upgrade. And it's simply not worth that kind of coin, sorry.

I'm guessing you haven't bought any films on Blu-ray you already have on DVD.

In any case, it's one helluva upgrade.
post #1647 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Laserfan View Post

These threads are just soooo funny. They start with wild excitement and anticipation, then dozens/hundreds of pages of speculation and "advance complaining", then excitement again "mine's on the truck!", and then finally reality sets-in and after racking-up the discs one realizes "it's only a movie" or in this case (worse) "it's only TV".

AVS in a nutshell

post #1648 of 2431
TNG is invaluable.
post #1649 of 2431
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Originally Posted by LexInVA View Post

I'm sure they will find the footage and then release a fixed disc or something. Given the missing footage so far, I really hope they take their time with the later seasons and go through all the footage they have for every season before they set any release dates for season 2 and onward.

I wouldn't hold my breath. The smart thing would have been to go through all the footage before making any announcements to be sure they had all the film. Since they didn't do that... this is bound to keep happening.

Once they make the decision to press a season set and sell it... they aren't going to go back and fix that anytime soon. Maybe 5 years from now if they do a re-release for an anniversary again or something... but this isn't a mistake made in authoring... this is a conscious decision to press forward with known missing footage.

I'm not crucifying them here... but it would be far cheaper for them to wait and make sure they have all the footage than to release it and have a disc exchange program later for everyone.
post #1650 of 2431
Universal made a mistake on Back to the Future II and III DVDs when they were first released in 2002. They re-mastered the video and pressed new discs and mailed replacements to anyone who asked.

I missed out on my replacement DVDs (never sent away for them), but it doesn't matter because I bought the Blu-Rays last year.
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