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post #1831 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Partyslammer View Post

Picked mine up today - $59.25 at Best Buy using a $5 dvd trade-in coupon which basically covers California's tax.
Spent about half an hour this afternoon skimming through several of the discs and yeah, the clearly incorrect dialog mixes on several episodes distractingly stands out when bouncing around different episodes, especially on the couple episodes where it's focused on the Right Front channel. I'm actually satisfied with the lossy 2.0 audio although that may change once I watch a couple episodes all the way through tonight. And it goes without saying the video quality absolutely blows the crummy old dvd and laserdisc releases out of the water.

I even noticed some lip sync issues with the 2.0 audio on Encouter at Farpoint.

I REALLY hope that they do right and make an exchange program for these disc.
post #1832 of 2431
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Originally Posted by dtssyst View Post

I even noticed some lip sync issues with the 2.0 audio on Encouter at Farpoint.
I REALLY hope that they do right and make an exchange program for these disc.
The same thing happened to me, but after I switched to 7.1 and back again, it was gone.
post #1833 of 2431
As others have noticed, Encounter at Farpoint was painful to listen to with the audio well right of center. The Naked Now centered it. If the previous list of where the dialog is centered is correct, at least nothing else has the audio off centered like Encounter at Farpoint, but I may revise that once I listen to an episode with FL, C, FR dialog.
post #1834 of 2431
I sampled one of the affected episodes - Haven. The dialogue was really bad. It was echoing due to the L/R channels.
post #1835 of 2431
Wow that is disappointing to hear there are issues like that. They had more than long enough to make sure things like this shouldn't happen.
post #1836 of 2431
I did not get the TNG sampler disc when it came out a few months ago. I assume that if it had the same problem with audio on Encounter at Farpoint, somebody would have mentioned it. The Naked Now and Code of Honor were much better with the dialog centered, and that's as far as I've made it tonight.

In Code of Honor, it looks like there were a couple of seconds of SD footage that were upscaled, right around the 21:20 mark. It is not too horrible, but once your eyes are adjusted to HD material, SD material sticks out.
post #1837 of 2431
So, I'm definitely hearing an echo on "Haven". Anyone else? It starts at 27:27 when Troi meets Riker on the holodeck and continues until the end of the episode. It's probably occurring because the dialogue in the left and right channel (which isn't supposed to be there in the first place!) goes out of sync with the center channel.

This is the first episode I've heard it on. Here's a new post at TheDigitalBits:
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[Editor's Note: There are some reports of audio issues with the Star Trek: The Next Generation - Season One Blu-ray set - specifically character dialogue being mixed not just in the center but front left and right channels on some episodes. It's not something I noticed initially (as naturally none of the episodes I've watched thus far are among the problematic ones), but we're looking into it and will post an update as soon as possible. FYI, we're told that CBS is already investigating...]
post #1838 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Maxwell Everett View Post

So, I'm definitely hearing an echo on "Haven". Anyone else? It starts at 27:27 when Troi meets Riker on the holodeck and continues until the end of the episode. It's probably occurring because the dialogue in the left and right channel (which isn't supposed to be there in the first place!) goes out of sync with the center channel.
This is the first episode I've heard it on. Here's a new post at TheDigitalBits:

I mentioned that three posts up. smile.gif

Definitely an echo. It was ok early on, and then I skipped ahead to when the aliens on the ship are on the viewscreen, and it's like it's in a sound tunnel - reeeeally bad.

For the other affected episodes, the impact of the L/R channel duplication isn't as noticeable. I guess it doesn't go out of sync.
post #1839 of 2431
So is there actually a lot of new CGI in this? I thought a while ago people said there would be no new CGI, only 'recomposited' shots.
post #1840 of 2431
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Originally Posted by jimbotron View Post

I mentioned that three posts up. smile.gif
Definitely an echo. It was ok early on, and then I skipped ahead to when the aliens on the ship are on the viewscreen, and it's like it's in a sound tunnel - reeeeally bad.
For the other affected episodes, the impact of the L/R channel duplication isn't as noticeable. I guess it doesn't go out of sync.

Oops... didn't notice your post! Yeah, I previously only checked the teaser and act one of each episode... now I'm starting to go through them fully one by one. So, you haven't heard the same echo on any of the other five that have L/R dialogue duplication? That's good -- at least they're watchable until we get a replacement going.
post #1841 of 2431
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Originally Posted by XxDeadlyxX View Post

So is there actually a lot of new CGI in this? I thought a while ago people said there would be no new CGI, only 'recomposited' shots.

The explosion of the freighter in Heart of Glory is CG.

And going back to the sampler, the shot of the Enterprise coming out of warp (stock footage of the 4-foot Enterprise model) was inexplicably replaced with a CG shot in The Inner Light.

One of the saucer separation shots in Encounter at Farpoint is CG as well (the one looking up at the neck as the saucer lifts up) - perhaps the original went missing after being used for Generations.

Naturally, all warp effects, phaser shots and photon torpedoes are CG as the original effects were done on the 480i tape masters.
post #1842 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Maxwell Everett View Post

Oops... didn't notice your post! Yeah, I previously only checked the teaser and act one of each episode... now I'm starting to go through them fully one by one. So, you haven't heard the same echo on any of the other five that have L/R dialogue duplication? That's good -- at least they're watchable until we get a replacement going.

Not so far. I've also read in other reviews that the DD 2.0 mix is out of sync with the video.
post #1843 of 2431
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Originally Posted by XxDeadlyxX View Post

So is there actually a lot of new CGI in this? I thought a while ago people said there would be no new CGI, only 'recomposited' shots.

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Originally Posted by jimbotron View Post

The explosion of the freighter in Heart of Glory is CG.
And going back to the sampler, the shot of the Enterprise coming out of warp (stock footage of the 4-foot Enterprise model) was inexplicably replaced with a CG shot in The Inner Light.
One of the saucer separation shots in Encounter at Farpoint is CG as well (the one looking up at the neck as the saucer lifts up) - perhaps the original went missing after being used for Generations.
Naturally, all warp effects, phaser shots and photon torpedoes are CG as the original effects were done on the 480i tape masters.

Some previously CGI Enterprise elements in the Next Level sampler have been found and included in episodes that re-purposed them:

This shot from "Lonely Among Us": http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...lyamong140.jpg which was the same element used here, just flopped, wider and static (no zoom): http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...efather000.jpg

And this shot from "Heart of Glory": http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s1/1x20/heartofglory218.jpg which is the same shot used here in the pilot: http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s1/1x02/farpoint2_208.jpg
post #1844 of 2431
Errors aside, I really appreciate that these discs do not use BD-Live, and so we're free to stop and resume play like a DVD. (is that such a difficult thing to ask?)

Love Blu-ray, HATE HATE HATE BD-Live.
post #1845 of 2431
Definitely agreed, nothing sucks worse than accidentally hitting stop on the PS3 remote and having to go through all the loading screens, forced antipiracy warnings, studio logos, and all that crap again. Most anime discs I buy here in Japan don't use BD-J either.

Although there have also been some BD-J discs with a built-in resume function as well. But I guess these will still have the BD-J loading screens so they won't resume as fast as a non-BD-J disc.
post #1846 of 2431
This seems like a huge and embarrassing problem, with the audio... and not just one but several episodes on several discs. Also factoring in that a lot of people didn't like season one and were buying it to support the project... it is a huge problem to make it all the way into customer hands.

A glitch would be one thing... but bad audio mix on entire episodes... there's not a whole lot of excuses I can think of that would justify it... and it seems like they are going to have to fix this AND see if it has crept into the other work they've been doing (season 2 and beyond)... and with so many buying it on release week... that's going to be a lot of money on a disc replacement program.

When you ask for a premium over other TV show releases... you just can't screw up like this.
post #1847 of 2431
Anyone try 2-channel on Encounter at Farpoint? The intro sequence is out of sync by a few seconds. Very noticeable. Confirmed on both an Oppo BDP-93 and PS3. The audio is in sync during the rest of the episode though.

The 2-channel mix, despite being lossy, is considerably better than the stereo mix on the DVDs. I tried the 7.1 mix, and while the intro sounded amazing, I couldn't get past the dialog being shifted to the wrong channel and switched back to 2-channel.

Looks like CBS will have some mailers stuffed with replacement discs going out at some point.
post #1848 of 2431
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Originally Posted by gorthocar View Post

In Code of Honor, it looks like there were a couple of seconds of SD footage that were upscaled, right around the 21:20 mark. It is not too horrible, but once your eyes are adjusted to HD material, SD material sticks out.

I wouldn't say that bit was SD, because the colour and horizontal resolution are far too good to have come from the extant NTSC master, but it's definitely missing a significant amount of vertical resolution. Strange.

Glad I'm not the only one who had lipsync issues with Farpoint, I was messing around with the sync for ages before it became acceptable.

CBS have really dropped the ball with this release. They've put in a staggering amount of work, and for that I salute them, but what's the point of putting in all those hours only to stumble over the finish line by releasing such a significantly flawed product? If problems are found, I don't think anyone would mind if the release dates get pushed back while they work on them. TNG has been around for 25 years, so a few more months wouldn't hurt!

What's more worrying is how stuff like the centre channel snafu got through QC at all...
post #1849 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Geoff D View Post

What's more worrying is how stuff like the centre channel snafu got through QC at all...

Probably in the same way that none of the review sites seemed to notice it, either.
post #1850 of 2431
Great, so I presume all regions are affected by this? And like so many botch jobs, I doubt the UK release will have a replacement program. Looks like I've saved myself £50, at least!
post #1851 of 2431
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Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

When you ask for a premium over other TV show releases... you just can't screw up like this.

I do agree with everything said except that last part. $2.30 an episode is a premium?

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Originally Posted by ti-triodes View Post

I usually love redheads too but there was something about Beverly Crusher that made me want to push her out an airlock.

Maybe it's the combination of beauty and brains, but I always thought Doc Bev was pretty hot.
post #1853 of 2431
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Originally Posted by 18 Brumaire View Post

Maybe it's the combination of beauty and brains, but I always thought Doc Bev was pretty hot.

When I was a wee lad watching TNG, I always thought Bev was hotter than Troi, but over the years Troi appeals to me more. Given the choice, I'd take both in a heartbeat... if the wife was OK with it. biggrin.gif
post #1854 of 2431
People still read reviews? neat!
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

People still read reviews? neat!

The only purpose I see for popular review sites now is to funnel complaints from users to higher-ups at the studios and get potentially faster resolution than direct consumer contact provides. Even if most of the reviews consist of worthless gushing, I appreciate the extra channel of communication.

For real reviews, I stick with trusted community members and screenshots.
post #1856 of 2431
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Originally Posted by spectator View Post

Probably in the same way that none of the review sites seemed to notice it, either.

Well, I doubt that ANY of the reviewers watched the whole season (credit to him, Bill Hunt said he hadn't watched the lot), unlike the folks who have been slaving over this release who really should've picked up on the audio errors. It's another nail in the coffin for online reviews, and I say that as a reviewer myself.

Sad thing is, if this snafu isn't sorted out then people will be put off buying S1, or, if they've bought S1 already, be put off from buying S2 until its non-****ed-up status is confirmed by people on the ground. If that cashflow gets throttled, then the future of this project may well be put in jeopardy, at least as far as Blu-ray releases are concerned. Who knows, DS9 may have already been put on the backburner after this debacle.
post #1857 of 2431
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Originally Posted by spectator View Post

Probably in the same way that none of the review sites seemed to notice it, either.

I get the impression most reviewers skipped the pilot since they already watched it on the sampler, and then skipped ahead to only the 'good episodes.' Who in their right mind would watch Haven if they had a choice? smile.gif

I get the feeling they checked out "Where No One Has Gone Before" and maybe one other episode and called it a day. You'd think SOMEONE would notice before yesterday, considering 11001001 and Datalore are considered two of the best episodes of the season.

I remember one of the review sites noted that Haven sounded "tinny", but I forget which. A shame they just brushed it off.
post #1858 of 2431
Has an official statement been made yet.
post #1859 of 2431
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Originally Posted by gorthocar View Post

I did not get the TNG sampler disc when it came out a few months ago. I assume that if it had the same problem with audio on Encounter at Farpoint, somebody would have mentioned it. The Naked Now and Code of Honor were much better with the dialog centered, and that's as far as I've made it tonight.
In Code of Honor, it looks like there were a couple of seconds of SD footage that were upscaled, right around the 21:20 mark. It is not too horrible, but once your eyes are adjusted to HD material, SD material sticks out.

No problem with the audio, and the 2.0 track was actually lossless. SOTF did have a slight crop vs it's OAR, but we wont know if that was fixed until season three hits.

CBS knows and is looking into it, but no official word yet. I think I read somewhere CBS ended up authoring Season 1 in-house because of time constraints? Leaving the hired production/FX company to start work on season 2?
post #1860 of 2431
I noticed something odd with the DTS HD-MA track on "Justice". There was a split second where I heard dialog coming from the center and the left channel at the same time and it didn't sound natural. I assume it is an error. I did not make note of the time it occurs, though. I was going to watch it again to see if it repeats.
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