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post #2131 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Deviation View Post

I still don't have mine. I need to give them a call and make sure they got my info but they're closed by the time I get off of work.
Did you get yours yet?
post #2132 of 2431
Finally got it last week.
post #2133 of 2431
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Finally got it last week.

Good. Just wanted to follow up and make sure. I still haven't gotten through the whole season. To busy. I think I am finally on disc 5.
post #2134 of 2431
Got mine a while ago and viewed all the episodes. For the most part a very good job. Nice menu and extras (note the 1 1/2 hours worth of new stuff - very nice!). Once again I love the use of Mike Okuda's graphic system's interface for the main menus. The packaging is one of the few weaknesses to the set - very uninspired.

My only real complaint is what appears to me an excessive appearance of chroma noise in darker areas of the screen of all the episodes presented. It is very noticeable in most shots and a genuine annoyance. Being the fan that I am I had previously bought the STNG sampler set and compared. I found interestingly that this earlier set had little or no such problem, though it seemed to me the image "may" have been a tad softer. I'm probably wrong here about that but I wonder if anyone else here can attest to this chroma noise. I don't think it is excessive grain but I'm not A/V expert. Perhaps, this mastering was rushed - quite possible with all the issues they had with this title. I was one of those who sent for and received the "replacement" discs. Again, putting so many episodes on a disc might have led to compression issues.

Can anyone else weigh in here about this video issue? I tried the discs out on the other HD set in my house with a different player as well. The same thing occurred. I'm disappointed as the image is superior in all other respects from what I can see.
post #2135 of 2431
This may have been mentioned but in one episode on what I think is disc 5 there is a second or 2 when the camera goes to Riker and it looks like the quality isn't up to par with the shot before and after. Very short scene but it's there. Also again I forget which episode but there is an external shot of the enterprise and the nacelles are not lit up at all. The blue and red lights are black. Not a big deal but you know...
post #2136 of 2431
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Originally Posted by rwheelwright View Post

This may have been mentioned but in one episode on what I think is disc 5 there is a second or 2 when the camera goes to Riker and it looks like the quality isn't up to par with the shot before and after. Very short scene but it's there. Also again I forget which episode but there is an external shot of the enterprise and the nacelles are not lit up at all. The blue and red lights are black. Not a big deal but you know...

*sigh*
No, not a big deal at all.

The Riker scene from We'll Always Have Paris (don't worry, I'll do the research for you), was well publicised long before the boxset came out, and is stated again right on the disc menu when you select the episode. It's the only 2 seconds in the entire season where they couldn't find the 35mm elements. As for the nacelles not being lit, you're likely referring to Skin of Evil, where Picard states within the first few seconds that Engineering is conducting maintenance and they're on impulse power. One might wonder if you were really paying attention when you watched this set.
post #2137 of 2431
Someone will be telling us about some odd audio issues next...
post #2138 of 2431
Yeah sorry, it's hard to remember everything that has been posted in the past 72 pages. Like I mentioned before, it "may" have been mentioned. Didn't mean to offend or put anybody out to "do the research for me". I've been on forums a long time. Keep the attitudes to yourself. When your perfect, then you can make rude and ignorant comments.rolleyes.gif
post #2139 of 2431
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Originally Posted by rwheelwright View Post

Yeah sorry, it's hard to remember everything that has been posted in the past 72 pages. Like I mentioned before, it "may" have been mentioned. Didn't mean to offend or put anybody out to "do the research for me". I've been on forums a long time. Keep the attitudes to yourself. When your perfect, then you can make rude and ignorant comments.rolleyes.gif

I've been on the forums for a long time too, so what? And who says I'm not perfect wink.gif

No-one's expecting anyone to go through an entire thread of this size, but you pointed out an...issue that even the disk itself highlights, as well as the non-issue of the nacelles. Yet you accuse me of ignorance biggrin.gif It just bugged me that the post was unnecessary if a little more attention had been paid before posting, but let's not hijack the thread over it.
post #2140 of 2431
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Originally Posted by rwheelwright View Post

Yeah sorry, it's hard to remember everything that has been posted in the past 72 pages. Like I mentioned before, it "may" have been mentioned. Didn't mean to offend or put anybody out to "do the research for me". I've been on forums a long time. Keep the attitudes to yourself. When your perfect, then you can make rude and ignorant comments.rolleyes.gif
You're posting in a thread related to Star Trek. Obsessive research is a requirement of being a fan.

These guys can tell you the exactly how many times each character yanks on his or her tunic when they stand up each episode.

Try going onto one of the official Trek boards and making the same post you made. You'd be lucky to make it out alive...

Of course, that's nothing compared to Star Wars where apparently "real fans" know the identity and back story to every background character who pokes his head into any scene. Even that is nothing compared to the guys who catalog every single little change for every version of Star Wars ever released:

"The grey boulder in the upper left is now shifted 3 pixels to the right, but only after R2 beeps 3 times in rapid succession....clearly a flaw left unfixed along with the pink light saber issue..."

Having said that, point someone was making was that this is an Audio Video Science forum and that there is a higher degree of expectation that someone will at least pay attention to what is being told to them before making a post that will get everyone riled up over something that is a non-issue (or a known issue). The issues you raised were answered in either the menu or the episode itself. You didn't even need to read this thread to know that.
Edited by NetworkTV - 10/25/12 at 1:16pm
post #2141 of 2431
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

These guys can tell you the exactly how many times each character yanks on his or her tunic when they stand up each episode.

That's a great drinking game, BTW.
post #2142 of 2431
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Originally Posted by nathanddrews View Post

That's a great drinking game, BTW.
I always enjoy a beverage when the captain does.

Mine just usually isn't tea, Earl Grey or hot...
post #2143 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Chazcdc54 View Post

My only real complaint is what appears to me an excessive appearance of chroma noise in darker areas of the screen of all the episodes presented. It is very noticeable in most shots and a genuine annoyance ... Can anyone else weigh in here about this video issue?

The only thing I'm seeing is consistent with tri-colored, original camera negative grain. Can you be more specific with what you mean by 'chroma noise'? There are thousands of 1080p screenshots here to choose from:

http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/index.php?cat=3
post #2144 of 2431
I just noticed this and I think you might mean as an example:

"Where No One Has Gone Before"

When the traveler and that other starfleet guy beam on the enterprise, in the transporter
room, the shots with Troi and Riker, if you look in the upper right area, it looks kind of muddy there.


Doesn't really bother me but I think thats what he might be talking about.

The only thing that annoys me a bit, is the occasional 24hz shimmering on quite a few of the episodes,
usually in an isolated section of a few shots, but not many.

I'm sure they did the best job they could with what they had and would rather have it the way
it is then apply DNR and make it worse.
post #2145 of 2431
Well, looks like CBS/HTV-Illuminate really screwed up season 2...
post #2146 of 2431
Yeah, they obviously wanted a rush job so they outsourced the restoration and VFX work instead of doing it in-house. Season 2 looks not so good compared to season 1. The new VFX shots are a mixed bag and they obviously just did a digital scan and automated clean-up from the materials and it doesn't look like it was a 4K scan either. The care and labor that was put into season 1 does not seem to be evident here from what the evidence says so far.
post #2147 of 2431
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Well, looks like CBS/HTV-Illuminate really screwed up season 2...
Please could you provide a source/evidence? I find that to be much more useful. Thanks!
Edited by DJ Mike TJG - 11/28/12 at 12:41am
post #2148 of 2431
Pop over to Trekcore.
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post #2150 of 2431
So thus far it seems more like HTV didn't get the time/budget to go way above and beyond and simply delivered something reasonable. Nothing there screams "really screwed up" season 2, but there you go.
post #2151 of 2431
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Originally Posted by DJ Mike TJG View Post

So thus far it seems more like HTV didn't get the time/budget to go way above and beyond and simply delivered something reasonable. Nothing there screams "really screwed up" season 2, but there you go.

Ill wait to see how atrocious and not worthy of production or retail the set is with my own eyes. Ive learned that when it comes to Star Trek, Trekkers will trash an entire set because one star is missing in the opening intro.
post #2152 of 2431
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Originally Posted by BoogerBomb View Post

Ill wait to see how atrocious and not worthy of production or retail the set is with my own eyes. Ive learned that when it comes to Star Trek, Trekkers will trash an entire set because one star is missing in the opening intro.
Well one thing I've read is that a single shot of the Enterprise in orbit has the elements on the ship mis-composited slightly to the left. If that doesn't warrant a recall, I don't know what does.
post #2153 of 2431
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Originally Posted by DJ Mike TJG View Post

Well one thing I've read is that a single shot of the Enterprise in orbit has the elements on the ship mis-composited slightly to the left. If that doesn't warrant a recall, I don't know what does.

Yep someone re-hosted the screenshot in question from TrekCore's Facebook page here:
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/169262_529578720388253_1269606073_o.jpg

It's pretty sloppy work...
post #2154 of 2431
Must confess, I had to stare really hard at that before I saw anything wrong with it... Even then I wonder if I'd ever notice that in a brief establishing shot.
post #2155 of 2431
All I'll say is this: this is an important old tv show and its HD restoration should be treated with a sense of finality. That means no shortcuts and outsourcing, period. If you want to do that for some crap tv show that failed after 1 season, fine. Don't do it for STTNG.
post #2156 of 2431
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Originally Posted by FitzRoy View Post

All I'll say is this: this is an important old tv show and its HD restoration should be treated with a sense of finality. That means no shortcuts and outsourcing, period. If you want to do that for some crap tv show that failed after 1 season, fine. Don't do it for STTNG.

I wouldnt be surprised if the severe nitpickiness ends this whole project after season two.
post #2157 of 2431
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Originally Posted by BoogerBomb View Post

I wouldnt be surprised if the severe nitpickiness ends this whole project after season two.
I would be!
Are they selling???

Besides, I really doubt they waited too see what the backlash would be on S2 before starting on prepping the subsequent seasons.
(for all I know the mastering & transfers have been completed for the entire series already)
post #2158 of 2431
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Originally Posted by BIG ED View Post

I would be!
Are they selling???
Besides, I really doubt they waited too see what the backlash would be on S2 before starting on prepping the subsequent seasons.
(for all I know the mastering & transfers have been completed for the entire series already)

Season 3 is almost done now. That's why CBS Digital farmed Season 2 out to HTV Illuminate, so they could meet the powers-that-be at CBS's new schedule of having all seven seasons out by the end of 2014. So that means 2 season in 2012, 3 seasons in 2013, and 2 seasons in 2014.

And yes CBS is very happy with the sales figures from Season 1. The projector managers said so in an interview with TrekCore a couple of months back.
post #2159 of 2431
I guess I'll just wait for the inevitable seven season boxset with extra discs. frown.gif
post #2160 of 2431
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Originally Posted by DJ Mike TJG View Post

So thus far it seems more like HTV didn't get the time/budget to go way above and beyond and simply delivered something reasonable. Nothing there screams "really screwed up" season 2, but there you go.

I think it's a combination of 5 disc's catching up with them and huge corners cut. Season 1 is a dream and the barometer for the rest of the project. To me, when looking at stuff like the below, they didn't even clear the hurdle, let alone finish the race close.

http://imageshack.us/scaled/landing/600/16926252957872038825312.jpg

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/160480

And don't forget, this is after the audio sanfu in season 1. What has yet to be found?


Looks like the live action stuff is up to snuff, but anything that involves FX was DNR'ed to hell, some of it just utterly bad looking.
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