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post #2221 of 2431
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Either way, 5 discs was pushing it last season...
There's a noticeable difference between EAFP from the sampler and season 1. In fact, so much so that season 1 is the reference cut of it for those who were thinking of getting rid of the sampler.

Season 1 was 6 discs. Counting EAF as two episodes, the discs were split 4/5/5/5/5/2.

Season 2 is 5 discs, and split 5/4(+extended episode)/5/5/3.
post #2222 of 2431
Never have I been so interested in watching special features on a disc, usually they just put me to sleep but in TNG they are so interesting that I wish they have more of these special features! I love knowing how they use all the low tech special effects and less of the CGI that are mostly used nowadays.

Now every time I put a disc in, I watched the special features first before the actual shows haha!
post #2223 of 2431
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Originally Posted by jimbotron View Post

Season 1 was 6 discs. Counting EAF as two episodes, the discs were split 4/5/5/5/5/2.
Season 2 is 5 discs, and split 5/4(+extended episode)/5/5/3.

Yup, excuse me for having a bit too many winter IPA's last night. You're right.

But I do believe while disc 1 had only 4 episodes, it also had some of the extras which ate into the bitrates. I'm still wish they'd throw in an extra disc and up the bitrate a tad.
post #2224 of 2431
Two completely unrelated things:

1. I have a local used store holding a set of season one on Blu-ray for me. I confirmed (saw the discs and packaging) that it is the original release and the discs are the original discs, not the exchanged/corrected ones. The question is... Are they still offering corrected/replacement discs if you contact them? And is the method for proof unique to the discs or generic? I ask because of the concern that perhaps someone bought this set, called and got replacement discs, then sold the originals for some reason and that IF I purchased this set and attempted to get the discs replaced for myself that I might get denied.

The price (tax included) is $48... so I am hoping the answers are that I'll be able to get this set and get corrected discs without a problem. I can't call the exchange phone number on the weekend, and the store is only holding the set for me until the end of day tomorrow (Sunday) so I will have to make a decision by then. I am obviously hoping for good answers at this price.

2. Regarding Season two problems... I'm not saying it is the end of the world... but I remember some who said people were over-panicking about Season one problems... some saying CBS cared more and wouldn't let anything like that happen again... and yet from what I'm reading it sure sounds like more problems to me. I would have liked to think there were lessons-learned from season one and replacing discs... but putting out another set with problems... and some very obvious ones at that... really speaks to the lack of quality control many of us were expecting with a project like this.
post #2225 of 2431
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Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

Two completely unrelated things:
1. I have a local used store holding a set of season one on Blu-ray for me. I confirmed (saw the discs and packaging) that it is the original release and the discs are the original discs, not the exchanged/corrected ones. The question is... Are they still offering corrected/replacement discs if you contact them? And is the method for proof unique to the discs or generic? I ask because of the concern that perhaps someone bought this set, called and got replacement discs, then sold the originals for some reason and that IF I purchased this set and attempted to get the discs replaced for myself that I might get denied.
The price (tax included) is $48... so I am hoping the answers are that I'll be able to get this set and get corrected discs without a problem. I can't call the exchange phone number on the weekend, and the store is only holding the set for me until the end of day tomorrow (Sunday) so I will have to make a decision by then. I am obviously hoping for good answers at this price.
2. Regarding Season two problems... I'm not saying it is the end of the world... but I remember some who said people were over-panicking about Season one problems... some saying CBS cared more and wouldn't let anything like that happen again... and yet from what I'm reading it sure sounds like more problems to me. I would have liked to think there were lessons-learned from season one and replacing discs... but putting out another set with problems... and some very obvious ones at that... really speaks to the lack of quality control many of us were expecting with a project like this.

I can only maybe answer number 1. When people called in to get replacement discs they had to read off some numbers from the discs themselves. Whether these are generic numbers or unique disc ID's I dont know for sure. Perhaps the guy holding them can get you the numbers to find out?
post #2226 of 2431
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Originally Posted by BoogerBomb View Post

I can only maybe answer number 1. When people called in to get replacement discs they had to read off some numbers from the discs themselves. Whether these are generic numbers or unique disc ID's I dont know for sure. Perhaps the guy holding them can get you the numbers to find out?

The numbers are lot or run numbers of each disc. Each disc in every set did not have a unique individual number so in that respect, the person asking shouldn't have a problem. I would assume CBS basically has a database of name/phone/address info for every one that called in to get replacement discs to not only avoid scammers who'd call in for multiple sets of fixed discs, but as future customer survey and advertising info.
post #2227 of 2431
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Originally Posted by BoogerBomb View Post

I can only maybe answer number 1. When people called in to get replacement discs they had to read off some numbers from the discs themselves. Whether these are generic numbers or unique disc ID's I dont know for sure. Perhaps the guy holding them can get you the numbers to find out?

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Originally Posted by Partyslammer View Post

The numbers are lot or run numbers of each disc. Each disc in every set did not have a unique individual number so in that respect, the person asking shouldn't have a problem. I would assume CBS basically has a database of name/phone/address info for every one that called in to get replacement discs to not only avoid scammers who'd call in for multiple sets of fixed discs, but as future customer survey and advertising info.

Thanks to both of you... I was kind of thinking that they might be "lot" numbers or something like that, so CBS would know they were part of the defective initial run... and also I was thinking surely they keep track of people who called/emailed to ask for them so since I've never done that I was hoping I would be ok.

It's hard to pass up $48 total for this, still with the slipcover and everything... and logically, I couldn't think of why someone even would "scam" by buying the set, getting discs 1,3,4,5 and then selling the set... That would seem quite weird... so I was kind of thinking that probably whomever sold this to the store was someone who wasn't a huge fan, and just watched them once and didn't even know about the replacement program.

I explained all this to the guy at the store, and I'm in there a lot... so he offered to hold it for me until end of business tomorrow (Sunday)... and the soonest I could actually get a live person at the replacement # would be Monday morning... so I don't feel comfortable asking any more of the store than I already have.

I think I feel comfortable enough that I should be able to get the replacement discs, so I'll go ahead and pick this up tomorrow. The more I think about it, the less I'm concerned about possible problems, since I'll be a legitimate customer and I am betting probably the original owner here just wasn't even aware of the disc replacements.

I have seen before where people just don't know there is such a thing... the guy at the store, for instance, hadn't heard of it until I was explaining it to him.
post #2228 of 2431
I went back and picked up the set earlier this evening... Man, people weren't lying... those numbers on the discs are impossibly small (well, I guess not impossibly since they are in fact there)... I'll have to get a magnifier handy for when I call in tomorrow.
post #2229 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Partyslammer View Post


The numbers are lot or run numbers of each disc. Each disc in every set did not have a unique individual number so in that respect, the person asking shouldn't have a problem. I would assume CBS basically has a database of name/phone/address info for every one that called in to get replacement discs to not only avoid scammers who'd call in for multiple sets of fixed discs, but as future customer survey and advertising info.

 

Actually the discs do have a unique number on each of them, at least all my discs had a different number.  They were similar so there might be a lot number embedded in the actual disc number, but the numbers on all the discs in the set were not the same.

post #2230 of 2431
Yeah, each disc had a different number on it... but I'm not sure that any given set wouldn't have the same set of numbers on their discs.

In any event... I called this afternoon, only had to wait a minute or so... struggled with a magnifying glass and gave the number to the nice lady on the phone, and I should be getting replacements at some point.

I went ahead and watched the stuff on disc 6 (final 2 episodes + bonus content) since I've seen all these before, watching out of order wasn't an issue... and I wanted to see how they looked.

The high-definition is one thing... but what really jumps out at you are how much deeper and brighter all the colors are now.
post #2231 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Morac View Post

Actually the discs do have a unique number on each of them, at least all my discs had a different number.  They were similar so there might be a lot number embedded in the actual disc number, but the numbers on all the discs in the set were not the same.

I guess I should have been more specific - what I meant was that each disc had lot numbers specific to their batch runs. So yeah, each of the 6 discs on season 1 have different numbers but I'm sure you'll find that say, many people who purchased their sets on the street date will have matching numbers as most of those discs came from the same initial production runs. For instance, on my S1 set, disc 1's number is:

SL109551B1RO
post #2232 of 2431
I came to see what others thought. I'm watching season two and feeling like there is to much compression artifacts. The background in certain scenes can be a real mess at times. Wish they would've spread it out over more disks really..
post #2233 of 2431
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Originally Posted by hdtv00 View Post

I came to see what others thought. I'm watching season two and feeling like there is to much compression artifacts. The background in certain scenes can be a real mess at times. Wish they would've spread it out over more disks really..

compression artifacts? Do you mean grain?

The encoding for both seasons has been stellar.
post #2234 of 2431
I've only seen season one thus far. Some scenes, particularly darkly-lit ones, have a lot of colourful noise in them, but I wouldn't say any were compressed badly - rather the opposite, I'm impressed at the distinct lack of excessive DNR, which leads to a much more natural-looking picture, albeit one that is all the more tricky for the compression to handle.
post #2235 of 2431
Well... to wrap up my storyline...

I bought the used set for $48 on 12/9... called on 12/10... wondered about where my discs were until 12/27 when I called and found out they had been mailed on 12/24... and today, 12/28, I have my replacements in hand... just need to swap them out in my case and I can get to watching.

Long story short... it worked out well, and I saved money by waiting a bit and picking these up at the used store. Win-win!
post #2236 of 2431
I've watched the first two discs from season 2, and it's a mixed bag. In general, the non-effects shots look better than the non-effects shots from season 1, mostly because of what I perceive to be better film stock and more consistent lighting. The detail really shines through.

Unfortunately, what others have said about the effects sequences is correct. Pretty much every time a CGI effect is present, the entire scene looks smoothed over with DNR. It sticks out a lot because it changes from shot to shot. Unlike the effects from season 1, which sometimes appear to have artificial grain (tastefully) added to make the effects blend with the film elements, it looks like they took the opposite approach and smoothed out the film grain to match the new CG.

While I'm still enjoying the presentation overall, I hope CBS does the remaining seasons in-house, because season 2 looks amateurish compared to season 1.
post #2237 of 2431
On a completely random note... as I am now a couple of discs into watching season one on Blu-ray... Am I the only one who didn't remember just how often Tasha talks about "rape gangs" in season one? I really didn't remember that coming up as much as it does.
post #2238 of 2431
Well she had to show what a tough female she was, She was the security chief after all. I never really liked her character and thought the sister episode was cheesy as well. I did like the Sela episodes though and she did an OK job in "Yesterdays Enterprise" and "All Good Things". Still, not a great loss once she left the show. Same with Dr. Pulaski.
post #2239 of 2431
I've got the blu ray 3 episode sampler and just watched it.
In the menu I checked the audio and it said DTS-HR HD 7.1, I've never heard that codec before, mistake or?
post #2240 of 2431
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Originally Posted by mtbdudex View Post

I've got the blu ray 3 episode sampler and just watched it.
In the menu I checked the audio and it said DTS-HR HD 7.1, I've never heard that codec before, mistake or?

I saw that HR audio as well, but it was on the Imported 5th Element Blu.....interesting.
post #2241 of 2431
I also hope that Star Trek TNG will be released on Blu-Ray. I have the conventional DVD set and, while watchable, leaves much to be desired on my 70-inch Sharp HDTV. In general, I am very disappointed that many of my favorite films are still not available in Blu-Ray while so much garbage is available.
post #2242 of 2431
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Originally Posted by runnerdon1 View Post

I also hope that Star Trek TNG will be released on Blu-Ray. I have the conventional DVD set and, while watchable, leaves much to be desired on my 70-inch Sharp HDTV. In general, I am very disappointed that many of my favorite films are still not available in Blu-Ray while so much garbage is available.

UUMMMMM Seasons 1 and 2 already are.
post #2243 of 2431
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Originally Posted by mtbdudex View Post

I've got the blu ray 3 episode sampler and just watched it.
In the menu I checked the audio and it said DTS-HR HD 7.1, I've never heard that codec before, mistake or?

  • DTS-HD HR audio can contain up to 7.1 channels of sound at a 96 kHz sampling frequency and 24-bit depth resolution with constant bit rates up to 6.0 Mbit/s.
  • DTS-HD MA audio can contain up to 5.1 channels encoded at up to 192 kHz or 7.1 channels encoded at 96 kHz/24 bit, can downmix to 5.1 and 2.0, and supports variable bit rates up to 24.5 Mbit/s.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTS_%28sound_system%29#DTS-HD_High_Resolution_Audio
post #2244 of 2431
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You forgot 2 important points:
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[*] DTS-HD HR audio can contain up to 7.1 channels of sound at a 96 kHz sampling frequency and 24-bit depth resolution with constant bit rates up to 6.0 Mbit/s.

*Lossy*
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[*] DTS-HD MA audio can contain up to 5.1 channels encoded at up to 192 kHz or 7.1 channels encoded at 96 kHz/24 bit, can downmix to 5.1 and 2.0, and supports variable bit rates up to 24.5 Mbit/s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTS_%28sound_system%29#DTS-HD_High_Resolution_Audio

*Lossless*

HR is DTS' version of Dolby Digital Plus.
post #2245 of 2431
I can remember watching some other BDs that had DTS-HD HR audio, such as the BBC show Torchwood, and maybe even Sherlock.

But even with TNG S1-2 on BD with lossless DTS-HDMA, I can hear some differences in the static background noise from one scene to another. Sure, I have a nice audio system in my home theater and want the best audio possible, but let's not lose sight of what it was originally developed for: broadcast television of the late 80's and early 90's. It was a very imperfect analog world, and I would guess that most viewers didn't even have a stereo TV setup in 1987. It was not mastered with lossless 7.1 surround sound in mind, and as much as I am a Trek fan and love TNG, it shows that it is not pristine audio.

I'd love for them to continue with lossless audio with season 3, but I don't think we're losing much if it is a well mastered DTS-HD HR audio track. If you haven't been able to hear the audio imperfections in S1 or S2, then you probably won't hear them in S3 either.
post #2246 of 2431
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Originally Posted by PeterTHX View Post

You forgot 2 important points:
*Lossy*
*Lossless*
HR is DTS' version of Dolby Digital Plus.

Those 2 points, while certainly valid, are in the link I gave and can nevertheless be inferred based on the specs I stated (24-bit, 192 kHz). tongue.gif
post #2247 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Maxwell Everett View Post

Those 2 points, while certainly valid, are in the link I gave and can nevertheless be inferred based on the specs I stated (24-bit, 192 kHz). tongue.gif

Well, no because a signal can be 24-bit and 192kHz (resolution and sampling rate) and still lossy. That and the number of channels are just limited by the codec's specs.
post #2248 of 2431
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Originally Posted by DJ Mike TJG View Post

I've only seen season one thus far. Some scenes, particularly darkly-lit ones, have a lot of colourful noise in them, but I wouldn't say any were compressed badly - rather the opposite, I'm impressed at the distinct lack of excessive DNR, which leads to a much more natural-looking picture, albeit one that is all the more tricky for the compression to handle.

Exactly the point I was trying to make some time ago in this thread. It isn't grain but a very agressive form of color noise that I haven't seen in some years. It's odd as it is not apparent all the time. Many scenes look very clean and virtually noise free, others, almost brittle, oversharpened a tad and noisy.

I'm viewing Season 2 and it seems somewhat better but it can have other issues as reported in this thread, I even checked out some discs from both seasons on another TV/player in my home, which are different brands/models and get the same problems.

Seems a shame since Paramount appears to have done what appears to be a good job in the restoration otherwise. frown.gif
post #2249 of 2431
I think the liveliness of the source grain is a direct result of set lighting, film stock, scanning equipment/methods, or a combination. Most of the very active color noise that I've noticed is most apparent in darker scenes - which should be expected to a degree. So it's probably a mixture of grain and compression all under the right (or wrong) conditions.

I have a hunch that seasons 3+ will exhibit marked visual improvement from a host of improved production factors - production of the show as well as production of the Blu-ray.

At least, I hope they do...

EDIT:
One can only hope that someone at Paramount puts even half the effort going into TNG to properly restoring all the films...
post #2250 of 2431
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Originally Posted by nathanddrews View Post

One can only hope that someone at Paramount puts even half the effort going into TNG to properly restoring all the films...
Yup. Aside from the mastering/authoring half-assery being induced by CBS' crazy schedule, these TNG BDs are an absolute pleasure to watch. Considering all the effort that's going in to making them, like rescanning the negative from scratch, rebuilding the effects etc, it would take a fraction of that endeavour to bring the Trek movies up to snuff. We can only hope that Paramount's powers-that-be are looking over the shoulders of their CBS brethren...
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