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post #2281 of 2431
The re-made TOS was available in digital downloads on XBL - and maybe a few other places I can't remember - to generate buzz for the project before the HD-DVD/DVD release. They had the original widescreen re-masters of a bunch of episodes - VFX only - that were later pulled, never to be seen again. I've never seen TOS Remastered broadcast in the US, only available to watch on streaming services or the Star Trek website.
Edited by LexInVA - 1/19/13 at 6:54am
post #2282 of 2431
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The re-made TOS was available in digital downloads on XBL - and maybe a few other places I can't remember - to generate buzz for the project before the HD-DVD/DVD release. They had the original widescreen re-masters of a bunch of episodes - VFX only - that were later pulled, never to be seen again. I've never seen TOS Remastered broadcast in the US, only available to watch on streaming services or the Star Trek website.

It was on our local MyNetwork channel... it wasn't in HD because at the time that channel wasn't broadcasting HD and I'm not even sure that CBS originally distributed the HD versions, rather just the SD versions... but it was the remastered episodes.

I watched these, albeit in SD, on my local affiliate long before the HD-DVD release came out... and certainly as a result way before the Blu-ray release came out. I believe I read somewhere it was around September in 2006 that the syndicated episodes first showed up on TV... and then maybe it was around July the next year before the HD-DVD was released. My memory may be faulty on the dates, though. Of course Blu-ray was way later because that didn't happen until after the "war" between the Romulans & the Federation... umm... I mean HD-DVD and Blu-ray ended smile.gif
post #2283 of 2431
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Of course Blu-ray was way later because that didn't happen until after the "war" between the Romulans & the Federation... umm... I mean HD-DVD and Blu-ray ended smile.gif

It was definitely on broadcast TV as I remember watching it while visiting my parents (before they owned an HDTV). It was a few days or weeks after that I bought a couple episodes off Xbox Live (right around the time I bought the HD-DVD drive for my Xbox). IIRC, it was also about the same time that I upgraded from my aging 480p plasma to my PRO-FHD1. Ah, the sweet memories... I'm gettin' all misty. wink.gif
post #2284 of 2431

Anyone have Season 2 Blu-Ray yet?

 

Wondering if this is on it as an Extra? Or, where is the real (non-cam) version of this:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI29wso1R2s

post #2285 of 2431
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I'd suspect they'll have to get an agreement penned with CBS before that can occur. However, even the already over-compressed Blu-ray discs (too many episodes crammed per disc) will look a lot better than the crappy, single-digit "1080p" bitstreams afforded us on Netflix and Amazon, etc.

Are you just looking for an idea of the PQ and visual effects upgrades before making a purchase... or are you wanting to watch this show streamed only?

The first couple of seasons weren't very good no matter what they do to the visual quality. But I'd love to see them in higher quality. Just don't feel the need to own them.
post #2286 of 2431
syfy channel in the UK is already airing season 1 remastered.
post #2287 of 2431
Actually they have almost finished Season 2, possibly even the second rotation.
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even the already over-compressed Blu-ray discs (too many episodes crammed per disc) will look a lot better than the crappy, single-digit "1080p" bitstreams afforded us on Netflix and Amazon, etc.

You think the Bluray is over-compressed? You can clearly see the difference in quality from one shot to the next, that to me indicates that the bitrate is perfectly high enough. How much more grain do you want to preserve?

Don't forget this is 4:3 material, its not like it needs anywhere near the bitrate of full 16:9 material as there is a ton of blank space that compresses to nothing.
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Anyone have Season 2 Blu-Ray yet?

Wondering if this is on it as an Extra? Or, where is the real (non-cam) version of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI29wso1R2s

Not that I saw, but there is a very good private discussion with the cast that may have been shot during this meetup.
Edited by Alex Atkin UK - 1/22/13 at 8:39pm
post #2288 of 2431
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Actually they have almost finished Season 2, possibly even the second rotation.
You think the Bluray is over-compressed? You can clearly see the difference in quality from one shot to the next, that to me indicates that the bitrate is perfectly high enough. How much more grain do you want to preserve?

It all stems from the TNG Blu-ray sampler sent out last year. Specifically, "Encounter at Farpoint" is the only episode that we can compare. The sampler had four episodes on a BD50 with minimal extras (vs. five episodes + extras on the S1 discs, the exception being the last disc). The result was a significatly higher bit rate than the S1 release which shows some signs of compression not found on the sampler. One more disc in the S1 set could have made a difference and it's regrettable that CBS didn't spring for that extra disc. It's not terrible or the end of the world, but it is noticeable.

(The sampler also had the original stereo mix losslless) mad.gif
post #2289 of 2431
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Don't forget this is 4:3 material, its not like it needs anywhere near the bitrate of full 16:9 material as there is a ton of blank space that compresses to nothing.

That's true. Though, it's interesting to note that 4:3 material has roughly the same amount of blank space as 2.35:1 material on Blu-ray (about 1.5 million active pixels)... yet many feel as if they're not getting enough picture with the classic 1.33:1 frame, while never batting an eye at 2.35:1 films. Perhaps because after six decades of widescreen, taller (i.e. narrow) aspect ratios feel claustrophobic to them.

Funny that the ultimate film format IMAX opts for a taller image (1.33:1 on the negative; 1.43:1 on the prints) and we don't usually hear that criticized for being too narrow. Which brings up a question, how will J.J. Abrams treat the IMAX shots in STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS on the Blu-ray? Probably cropped down to 1.78:1 like most other films these days with IMAX sequences. But truthfully, it should switch from 2.35:1 to 1.33:1 in order to accurately represent what was shot.

Which, I admit, would be kind of cool... to see those classic Trek characters in a 1.33:1 frame again (and minus anamorphic lens flares smile.gif).
post #2290 of 2431
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It all stems from the TNG Blu-ray sampler sent out last year. Specifically, "Encounter at Farpoint" is the only episode that we can compare. The sampler had four episodes on a BD50 with minimal extras (vs. five episodes + extras on the S1 discs, the exception being the last disc). The result was a significatly higher bit rate than the S1 release which shows some signs of compression not found on the sampler. One more disc in the S1 set could have made a difference and it's regrettable that CBS didn't spring for that extra disc. It's not terrible or the end of the world, but it is noticeable.

(The sampler also had the original stereo mix losslless) mad.gif

Here, here. They also change up the audio a tiny bit.
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That's true. Though, it's interesting to note that 4:3 material has roughly the same amount of blank space as 2.35:1 material on Blu-ray (about 1.5 million active pixels)... yet many feel as if they're not getting enough picture with the classic 1.33:1 frame, while never batting an eye at 2.35:1 films. Perhaps because after six decades of widescreen, taller (i.e. narrow) aspect ratios feel claustrophobic to them.

People are dumb, they'd rather lose the original frame, and thus the original image just to get rid of the black bars.... When they really should just get a bigger TV if it bugs them that much.

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Still, there's a special circle of hell for those that want whole scenes replaced with underfunded CGI "Because the model don't move much, and CGI space batters are teh cool". Nothing like completely rewriting history. I guess Han really did shoot first...

If it's anything that sticks out from these sets, it isn;t the great model work and pretty passable CGI / rotoscoping (I've seen worse FX on NEW shows). It's the 80's/90's hairstyles and wardrobes. While the rest of the show was timeless, Trek always seems to find a way to date itself with the costume department.
Edited by TyrantII - 1/23/13 at 7:08pm
post #2291 of 2431
I think the most interesting thing to me about revisiting TNG decades later.

I remember watching TNG new, and it seemed so new... but when you go back and watch now, especially seasons 1-2... it really looks and feels like an extension of TOS. I mean that in a good way... I mean that it feels connected, part of the same universe... has a similar look and feel to the design of everything.
post #2292 of 2431
I got the same vibe from S1 of TNG when watching on Blu-ray. For all of the spiel about it being a new adventure blah blah it really did feel like a tarted-up TOS.
post #2293 of 2431
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I think the most interesting thing to me about revisiting TNG decades later.

I remember watching TNG new, and it seemed so new... but when you go back and watch now, especially seasons 1-2... it really looks and feels like an extension of TOS. I mean that in a good way... I mean that it feels connected, part of the same universe... has a similar look and feel to the design of everything.

So, a year or so ago, I started at the beginning and I watch about 5 episodes a week ... all in the proper order. I had missed a bunch over the years as they aired. Talk about everything fitting together. There is a lot more continuity than I remember. Mainly in each series, but also between the shows. I guess that's why they call it the "Star Trek Universe". Props to the writers.

 

I watched ... Enterprise, TOS, TOS Movies, TNG, TNG Movies, DS9, and now Voyager (currently in Season 4).

 

Impressions (I'll keep it short). They are all good. DS9 was really good ... nice to finally watch it after all these years. Enterprise-D is still the coolest ship (gotta love that bridge) It easy to see that Gene Roddenberry was directly involved in TNG.


Edited by Tesla1856 - 1/24/13 at 8:06pm
post #2294 of 2431
I got the same feeling about S1, but only watching the blu-ray. S1 on DVD was so utterly devoid of colour that the look of the show never really came through. I never knew they used such vivid lighting in that first season. So yes, definitely agree about it feeling like an extension of TOS.
post #2295 of 2431
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So, a year or so ago, I started at the beginning and I watch about 5 episodes a week ... all in the proper order. I had missed a bunch over the years as they aired. Talk about everything fitting together. There is a lot more continuity than I remember. Mainly in each series, but also between the shows. I guess that's why they call it the "Star Trek Universe". Props to the writers.

I watched ... Enterprise, TOS, TOS Movies, TNG, TNG Movies, DS9, and now Voyager (currently in Season 4).

Impressions (I'll keep it short). They are all good. DS9 was really good ... nice to finally watch it after all these years. Enterprise-D is still the coolest ship (gotta love that bridge) It easy to see that Gene Roddenberry was directly involved in TNG.

I'm sorry, there's no way you got that far with just 5 episodes per week. There are 700 episodes, excluding the animated series. I know because A) math, and B) the wife and I tried to watch it all in order and it took a year just to get through DS9 and VOY - and that was more than 5 per week.

C'mon, you can be honest with us. You never left the house, did you?! biggrin.gif

It's a testament to the brand that over a period of 50 years, there are only a handful of true blemishes (The Animated Series, The Final Frontier, Insurrection, and every holodeck episode ever). LOL

Personally, I think the Defiant is the coolest ship in the whole universe. Before that, the Bird of Prey was my favorite.
post #2296 of 2431
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It's a testament to the brand that over a period of 50 years, there are only a handful of true blemishes (The Animated Series, The Final Frontier, Insurrection, and every holodeck episode ever).

Wait... you're calling The Animated Series a "blemish" and you're not calling Voyager a "blemish"?

OPINION: INVALIDATED
post #2297 of 2431
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Wait... you're calling The Animated Series a "blemish" and you're not calling Voyager a "blemish"?

OPINION: INVALIDATED

LOL fair enough. wink.gif
post #2298 of 2431
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I'm sorry, there's no way you got that far with just 5 episodes per week. There are 700 episodes, excluding the animated series. I know because A) math, and B) the wife and I tried to watch it all in order and it took a year just to get through DS9 and VOY - and that was more than 5 per week.

C'mon, you can be honest with us. You never left the house, did you?! biggrin.gif

It's a testament to the brand that over a period of 50 years, there are only a handful of true blemishes (The Animated Series, The Final Frontier, Insurrection, and every holodeck episode ever). LOL

Personally, I think the Defiant is the coolest ship in the whole universe. Before that, the Bird of Prey was my favorite.

Ya, I guess I've been at it longer than I realized.  smile.gif And yes, sometimes it was 6-7 a week (but never more than 1 per. day).

 

I like how they referenced Worf/ Defiant (First Contact actions) in DS9. For a true timeline, the TNG movies should be watched/scattered during DS9 years. IIRC, Defiant is only ship that was replaced without a "B" designation or really many upgrades. DS9 really rounded-out Worf character.

post #2299 of 2431
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Wait... you're calling The Animated Series a "blemish" and you're not calling Voyager a "blemish"?
 

Sure, it's not the best, but it is Star Trek. It's our nature to rate/compare everything. IMO, just because Voyager or Enterprise ended up at the bottom of the list, doesn't mean they are bad (just look at the competition). Actually, I think it's format is pretty close to TNG (please no flames  smile.gif) . Cool ship, exploring, the captain making the hard decisions, etc. The "fish outta water" and the hopeless-ness of their situation adds something. I love when they meet a new race ... usually now greeted by "Yes, we have heard about you ... the Federation ... your powerful warship and your superior technology ... here to push us around and take what you want".

post #2300 of 2431
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It's our nature to rate/compare everything.

My only issue is with coming up with the wrong answer through that process. tongue.gif

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Actually, I think it's format is pretty close to TNG

That's actually part of my problem with Voyager. It feels like a re-tread of the formula side of TNG, with little new or different added to the pot.
post #2301 of 2431
Even within a series, there are highs and lows over time. For me, DS9 was great the first few seasons but unbearable once Sisko as the messiah came into the forefront.
post #2302 of 2431
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That's actually part of my problem with Voyager. It feels like a re-tread of the formula side of TNG, with little new or different added to the pot.

VOY is what happens when you take something and completely misinterpret what made it work and what made it popular in the first place.

They threw their characters out the airlock and built the series around even more than usual technobbable and flashy props, and it killed Trek. One moment Janeway is a caring captain, the next a sociopath. The prime directive was used when it was convenient, without even exploring the struggle during the times it was selectively used or not (pretty much the only reason to have it as a episode macguffin anyways). And hell, don't get me that 2/3's of all episodes plots are driven from a shuttle craft lost / down, or Janeway doing something incredibly stupid and unbecoming a real captain. I don't joke, having watch the series straight through a few years back it stuck out that it was the only device they really had to create conflict.

Say what you will about the nonsensical plots of JJ, but he realized this and brought Trek back to it's roots of being character driven. Not worrying about cannon or some stupid technical manual.
post #2303 of 2431
For me, the saddest truth about Voyager is that the original premise of the series was fantastic. Well, that lasted about five episodes and then was replaced with the watered-down TNG re-tread of the week.
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For me, the saddest truth about Voyager is that the original premise of the series was fantastic. Well, that lasted about five episodes and then was replaced with the watered-down TNG re-tread of the week.

Which is why RDM left Trek, and gave us Battlestar Galactica.
post #2305 of 2431
Sorta off-topic, but in case you missed in the deals thread:

Star Trek: The Original Series Blu-ray complete collection is $110.25

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Complete-Original-Seasons/dp/B002PQ7JQK
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Which is why RDM left Trek

Well, that and he didn't have the pull he once did like on DS9...
post #2307 of 2431
Heres a link to the season 3 pre-order on Amazon.

Season 3 Amazon Pre-Order
post #2308 of 2431
The Best of Both Worlds Blu-ray Trailer
Via Amazon UK (sorry, no HD yet):


And here's a quick animation that shows how the special package cover folds open via tvshowsondvd:
post #2309 of 2431
Amazon shows a release date on April 30th.
post #2310 of 2431
Thread Starter 
Pretty cool! I am wondering if those special features are exclusive to the BOBW BD or will they be included with seaon 3 BD alsok?
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