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post #301 of 2431
TOS on Blu-ray was fantastic because you get the episodes in stunning HD, with or without updated effects. If they follow that formula for TNG, there will be no love lost.

Comparing this with the Star Wars revisions is an invalid argument. Whereas Star Trek was enhanced and improved for the fans, Star Wars was enhanced and "improved" only for George Lucas. TOS changes were tasteful and elegant, without betraying the expectations of fans. OTO, Star Wars changes are jarring and not true to the source.
post #302 of 2431
I'm gonna pick up the TNG defender spot: I love it for how anachronistic it and sticks its middle finger to modern TV. Characters whose pastime is Shakespeare and classical music, and resolve conflicts by dialogue and diplomacy? This is what makes TNG great today (and everything 2009's reboot ruined).

Oh and I think that the VFX hold up pretty darn well, but am probably blindingly subjective. Not saying that they're on par with current CG but that they're believable and don't detract from the story (unlike the TOS).

As said before, uprezzing the SD video will be a horrible choice, but I hope they stay true to the original and don't "update the look". Leave completed movies and series alone, if you want something new then go make it, that's what art is about.

(Will the production design hold up to HD level of detail? That remains to be seen. The commentary in one of the TNG movies' DVD mentions that the sets and costumes had to get a major facelift to live up to the higher resolution.)
post #303 of 2431
Looks like no one mentioned this insightful interview with TNG editor Daryl Baskin:
http://postfifthpictures.com/2010/02...ek-tng-editor/

Seems like TNG conformed to industry standards, by then assets were handled in a very organized manner so hopefully all the elements are still intact. Also, the talk about decaying film stock applies to old nitrate film. Luckily for TNG, film stock from the 1980's onward is almost as good as it gets, and much more stable.

Baskin also mentions the MONTAGE editing system, a precursor to Avid. I wonder if someone at CBS is working these days on deciphering its file format to convert to modern EDLs or Flex files... If they can do that, they could possibly automate the whole retransfer process with frame accuracy.

Also Keykode was introduced in 1990, I wonder if TNG got to utilize it.

I should probably just walk up to CBS and ask, not that they'd let me in ;-) Darnit, if I knew they were restoring my favorite series 10 minutes away from my home I should've seeked an editorial job at CBS instead of across town!

PS Does anyone know what format TNG was originally mastered to? D-1? 1" Type C? I hope not BetaSP??
post #304 of 2431
If they can put Star Trek TNG on Blu-ray, it would certainly be possible to put other popular shows on Blu-ray (eg. Seinfeld, X-Files...). Even if they just upscaled the effects and had the regular shots 1080p, I'd be happy.
post #305 of 2431
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Originally Posted by DrewL View Post

Looks like no one mentioned this insightful interview with TNG editor Daryl Baskin:
http://postfifthpictures.com/2010/02...ek-tng-editor/

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PS Does anyone know what format TNG was originally mastered to? D-1? 1" Type C? I hope not BetaSP??

Thanks for the article. The following was published in the Official Star Trek Fan Club magazine in 1990 I believe. You can read the full article at the link provided:

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Home for ST:TNG in the fourth season became The Post Group's new Digital Center in Edit Bay B. ST:TNG moved so it could work entirely in the digital format (D1) and abandon the fickle one-inch analog tape format. The reason ST:TNG was analog for three seasons is simple, the technology just did not exit. To bring this point home further, even now some of the equipment in the bay is still considered R & D (Research and Development) and came with no manuals.

The total list of the equipment in the bay is astounding; Abekas A84 (there are only three in the U.S. and the first and third one built are at The Post Group), Abekas a64, two Abekas A60's, two Sony D1 Digital Recorders, CMX 3600 Edit System, DFX Paint FX, ADO 2000 With Digital Interface, ESS-5 Still Store, Quantel Mirage (digital version) and Touchscreen Digital Routing System (The Post Groups' own system). This, of course, does not include the software that is necessary to make all this work. And, it takes all of that hardware and software to bring together all the various elements for ONE effects shot.

reocities.com/Hollywood/Set/1116/sfxartcl.html
post #306 of 2431
Whatever tape master formats they used, I take it they didn't have component video in mind since the TNG DVDs all the way up to Season 7 had all kinds of rainbows and other composite crap (I don't know if all seasons had this, I only saw the later seasons on DVD). Either that or they somehow introduced composite artifacts between the broadcast masters and the DVD masters, which would be even more deserving of a face palm.
post #307 of 2431
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Originally Posted by DrewL View Post

Looks like no one mentioned this insightful interview with TNG editor Daryl Baskin:
http://postfifthpictures.com/2010/02...ek-tng-editor/

Oh boy, I'm starting to get excited now! Can't wait to see the sampler!
post #308 of 2431
According to the german side bluray-disc.de the Disc will come out on December 15th and contain the episodes:

Encouter at Farpoint 1 & 2
Sins of the Father
The Inner Light
post #309 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Cap.T View Post

According to the german side bluray-disc.de the Disc will come out on December 15th and contain the episodes:

Encouter at Farpoint 1 & 2
Sins of the Father
The Inner Light

2 good eps and 2 lame ones. Why no Borg?
post #310 of 2431
Interesting. The DigitalBits is reporting this too. I assume when they say "Encounter at Farpoint, Parts I and 2" they actually mean the 96 minute telemovie and not the separate parts as televised. The problem is, because they are reconstructing the episodes shot by shot, they can present them however they wish. Maybe they're prepping it for television and wont give it to us intact until the season sets.

"Sins of the Father" won an Emmy in 1990 for Outstanding Art Direction for a Series
Richard D. James (production designer)
Jim Mees (set decorator)

"The Inner Light" was nominated for an Emmy in 1993 for Outstanding Individual Achievement in Makeup for a Series
Michael Westmore (makeup designer/makeup supervisor)
Gerald Quist (makeup artist)
Abston Haymore, June (makeup artist)
Karen Westerfield (makeup artist)
Jill Rockow (makeup artist)
Doug Drexler (makeup artist)

"Encounter at Farpoint" and "The Inner Light" were nominated for Hugos for Best Dramatic Presentation in 1988 and 1993 respectively. "The Inner Light" won.
post #311 of 2431
Sins of the Father? Hmmm I think there are a lot better choices than that but okay. At least it's coming
post #312 of 2431
Maybe they think that if we buy that, we'll buy anything. LOL
post #313 of 2431
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Originally Posted by nick_danger View Post

Maybe they think that if we buy that, we'll buy anything. LOL

If they keep away from the DNR button I will for Trek, I still do not own the movies tho.
post #314 of 2431
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

If they keep away from the DNR button I will for Trek, I still do not own the movies tho.

I'm with you on that one. I almost bought the movies when they were $6 each at Best Buy, but I held my ground. If TNG looks as good as TOS, they'll have a sale from me.
post #315 of 2431
I'm really glad they're doing this, but I just can't get excited over the Pilot. I have to admit I bought it on LaserDisc, but I've probably watched it less than any other episode I own. Now if they had done the final episode(s) instead, that might be a different story. With "Yesterday's Enterprise" (I can dream)?
post #316 of 2431
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Nothing you've said here refutes my thoughts, though...

Say it takes 2 weeks per episode... that is nearly 1 year per season... so 7 years for all episodes OR 1 year with 7x manpower. Either way, that's a lot of money to throw at something that you can't see a dime back for 1-7 years (depending on which option you choose to do the work).
Ah, but that's only how it works on the first one.

Once you get past step one, each step that passes allows multiple episodes to be in the chain on each stage while each one progresses.

It's like building a building. Everyone has to wait for the foundation and initial steel to go in, but after that, the decking, concrete floors, and exterior skin can be laid in on the first floor while steel on the 2nd and higher is still being erected. Painting can be occurring in one area, mudding in another, drywall in a third and insulation in a fourth.

They wouldn't be doing all those steps one episode at a time any more than they would have scripted, shot and edited each episode one at a time.
post #317 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Maxwell Everett View Post
Interesting. The DigitalBits is reporting this too. I assume when they say "Encounter at Farpoint, Parts I and 2" they actually mean the 96 minute telemovie and not the separate parts as televised. The problem is, because they are reconstructing the episodes shot by shot, they can present them however they wish. Maybe they're prepping it for television and wont give it to us intact until the season sets.

"Sins of the Father" won an Emmy in 1990 for Outstanding Art Direction for a Series
Richard D. James (production designer)
Jim Mees (set decorator)

"The Inner Light" was nominated for an Emmy in 1993 for Outstanding Individual Achievement in Makeup for a Series
Michael Westmore (makeup designer/makeup supervisor)
Gerald Quist (makeup artist)
Abston Haymore, June (makeup artist)
Karen Westerfield (makeup artist)
Jill Rockow (makeup artist)
Doug Drexler (makeup artist)

"Encounter at Farpoint" and "The Inner Light" were nominated for Hugos for Best Dramatic Presentation in 1988 and 1993 respectively. "The Inner Light" won.
Still, kind of oddball choices for "sampler" episodes...something like "Inner Light" isn't known for its imagery: It's considered one of the best episodes because of its writing and story. "Sins of the Father" is VERY dark, so a lot of detail would be hidden in the shadows.
post #318 of 2431
Encounter at Farpoint is actually probably one of the easiest episodes to redo for HD: The ship shots were all done at Industrial Light & Magic and shot in VistaVision. The Enterprise-D, "Squid Aliens", the matte painting of Deneb IV, Farpoint Station and Bandi City miniatures...all ILM. The redos would be confined to the few video elements in the show: Q's forcefield, hand phasers, energy beam, transporter effects, holodeck, Q's flash, etc.
post #319 of 2431
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Encounter at Farpoint is actually probably one of the easiest episodes to redo for HD: The ship shots were all done at Industrial Light & Magic and shot in VistaVision. The Enterprise-D, "Squid Aliens", the matte painting of Deneb IV, Farpoint Station and Bandi City miniatures...all ILM. The redos would be confined to the few video elements in the show: Q's forcefield, hand phasers, energy beam, transporter effects, holodeck, Q's flash, etc.
Or they just picked it because it has some of the weakest effects of all TNG episodes. By showing that they can make a beauty out of the old pilot, it probably goes further with the fan base and the general consumer. Plus, by selecting episodes that are "award winning", the advertising is already built in, making the package seem extra special.
post #320 of 2431
Yeah, I'm puzzled on the apparent inclusion of The Inner Light myself--as wonderful an episode as it is, you don't think "Wow, the effects look great!" when you watch it. Sins of the Father at least has some decent art/set work, though it tends to fall on the same side of the proverbial fence.
post #321 of 2431
I'm still hoping for Tin Man early. That's an episode that would really benefit. I think it'd be pretty amazing myself.
post #322 of 2431
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Originally Posted by PeterTHX View Post

Encounter at Farpoint is actually probably one of the easiest episodes to redo for HD: The ship shots were all done at Industrial Light & Magic and shot in VistaVision. The Enterprise-D, "Squid Aliens", the matte painting of Deneb IV, Farpoint Station and Bandi City miniatures...all ILM. The redos would be confined to the few video elements in the show: Q's forcefield, hand phasers, energy beam, transporter effects, holodeck, Q's flash, etc.

Which means they'll be full of DNR, EE and Halos. That is, if the new SW BD is any indication.

I am actually looking forward to the full show on BD though
post #323 of 2431
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Which means they'll be full of DNR, EE and Halos. That is, if the new SW BD is any indication.


How would you know they have EE, DNR & halos since you cancelled your SW order?

In any case, CBS digital would be doing the transfers/remastering.
post #324 of 2431
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Originally Posted by PeterTHX View Post

How would you know they have EE, DNR & halos since you cancelled your SW order?

In any case, CBS digital would be doing the transfers/remastering.

Yeh personally I'm expecting these transfers to be terrific - I'd be very surprised if they aren't.

Funny how a few months ago someone said they knew "for sure" that these would be just upscales. Ha!

Things i would like confirmed are:

1) How good will the new SFX be?
2) Are we getting 1.33:1 eps or possibly 1.78:1 reframed with more picture maybe? Does the below shot that was posted on the previous page point towards that? What is the source of that shot? (is it just some fan-made thing?)
4) 5.1 or 7.1 remixes like TOS?

post #325 of 2431
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How would you know they have EE, DNR & halos since you cancelled your SW order? ...

There's a disruption in The Force.
post #326 of 2431
Sorry to ask, but which one is "The Inner Light?"
post #327 of 2431
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Originally Posted by XxDeadlyxX View Post

Yeh personally I'm expecting these transfers to be terrific - I'd be very surprised if they aren't.

Funny how a few months ago someone said they knew "for sure" that these would be just upscales. Ha!

Things i would like confirmed are:

1) How good will the new SFX be?
2) Are we getting 1.33:1 eps or possibly 1.78:1 reframed with more picture maybe? Does the below shot that was posted on the previous page point towards that? What is the source of that shot? (is it just some fan-made thing?)
4) 5.1 or 7.1 remixes like TOS?

Just have to say in my expert opinion if that image is indicative of the revamped VFX its pretty rotten on so many levels I don't know where to start.
post #328 of 2431
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Originally Posted by XxDeadlyxX View Post

What is the source of that shot? (is it just some fan-made thing?)

I should've been more specific when I posted it. It was created by John Teska and can be found in the 2007 Ships of the Line Calendar. It was posted on Doug Drexler's blog in 2009:

http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2009/...-2010-sotl-05/

John Teska currently works at ILM and was a CG artist on Star Trek: Voyager, Animator on TMP Director's Edition, and CG Artist and Animator on Enterprise.

Doug Drexler was a technical consultant on TOS Remastered, Makeup Artist on TNG, Scenic Artist on DS9 and the Next Gen Movies, and a Digital Modeler on TMP Director's Edition.
post #329 of 2431
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Originally Posted by Maxwell Everett View Post

I should've been more specific when I posted it. It was created by John Teska and can be found in the 2007 Ships of the Line Calendar. It was posted on Doug Drexler's blog in 2009:

http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2009/...-2010-sotl-05/

John Teska currently works at ILM and was a CG artist on Star Trek: Voyager, Animator on TMP Director's Edition, and CG Artist and Animator on Enterprise.

Doug Drexler was a technical consultant on TOS Remastered, Makeup Artist on TNG, Scenic Artist on DS9 and the Next Gen Movies, and a Digital Modeler on TMP Director's Edition.

Yup and I'm a VFX supervisor with about 15 years experience and if he did work like that for me I'd throw it right back at him whether he'd done a stint at ILM or not

To be fair I don't think he's a comper.
post #330 of 2431
"The Inner Light" was probably chosen because it is a great episode AND it should be relatively low-cost to do since there are fewer effects than an average episode. I'm sure they are balancing cost/time factors with the episode selection, it doesn't really make sense for them to pick the 4 most effects-heavy episodes for this "trial run". I'm happy because it is my favourite episode of TNG.
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