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post #10021 of 10812
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

I don't have any issues with the new B6 firmware with BD folder structure only if you use the option to play the file as BD lite. Otherwise it won't play the file, and you will get a black screen, which continues to go back to the jukebox.

I'm reverting my D1 back to the previous firmware. Hopefully, Dune will fix this. I really like the option to star up on the jukebox.

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Originally Posted by halfelite View Post

Only drawback is no iso support, bdmv will work but you have to navigate to the main m2ts. ISO/IMG/VIDEO_TS/bdmv are still not a recommend format but you can get by if you need to use them still.

I messed around with plex a bit but did not find to much to my liking it has its appeals if you have devices that only work with it like a roku but other then that from owning media players it was not worth it that much.

So with that said simply pressing play wouldn't work if my BD rips are in folder structure? I would have to go through the folders and find the M2TS file correct. If this is the case, I already know my wife and kids won't like it.
post #10022 of 10812
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Originally Posted by halfelite View Post

Only drawback is no iso support, bdmv will work but you have to navigate to the main m2ts. ISO/IMG/VIDEO_TS/bdmv are still not a recommend format but you can get by if you need to use them still.

I messed around with plex a bit but did not find to much to my liking it has its appeals if you have devices that only work with it like a roku but other then that from owning media players it was not worth it that much.

Thanks for confirming, that is what I thought as well but had been a while since I messed around with.
post #10023 of 10812
Hi everyone. If I were to buy a new Dune Smart D1, can I go to here and download the latest firmware (dune_firmware_hdsmart_d1_121018_0846.dff) and load it into the D1? Will it update that way? Or must I go through incremental updates?
post #10024 of 10812
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post


So with that said simply pressing play wouldn't work if my BD rips are in folder structure? I would have to go through the folders and find the M2TS file correct. If this is the case, I already know my wife and kids won't like it.

I don't think that is true anymore. I will double check again when I get home today, but I believe that if you use the emplexer Dune application and use the "smb" or "nfs" setting (as opposed to the native http Plex protocol) then you are essentially playing back the file the way you would play it back without Plex. I did test it with a DVD iso and it worked perfectly, I will check with a folder based BD rip - I can't recall whether I still have any BD iso's to test.
post #10025 of 10812
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Originally Posted by halfelite View Post

plex with media streaming boxes is handled by the box, you tell plex if you want it to transcode or not. It comes over as a normal http link via upnp

Actually the newest version of the emplexer Dune application has a setting in which you can choose to stream the files via either nfs or smb (just like you can without Plex) so you are not using the Plex http format. That setting allows for much broader compatibility, ability to use external subs, etc.

If anything, I have been unable to *force* the Plex to transcode with the Dune. There is one use case in which I would like to do that, so if anyone has been able to do that please let me know how. The use case is movies I shot with my digital camera -- they are in .mov format with H.264 video and PCM audio -- which is not a combination that Dune handles so all you get is video but no sound. If I could have Plex transcode that it would be sweet, right now the only solution is to reencode the files at the source. The emplexer author stated in another forum that the application does not currently support transcoding. I also tried just using the uPnP application in the Dune (DLNA) but when I adjust the preference to disable "direct play" then the videos no longer show up.
post #10026 of 10812
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Originally Posted by wocasio View Post

Actually the newest version of the emplexer Dune application has a setting in which you can choose to stream the files via either nfs or smb (just like you can without Plex) so you are not using the Plex http format. That setting allows for much broader compatibility, ability to use external subs, etc.

If anything, I have been unable to *force* the Plex to transcode with the Dune. There is one use case in which I would like to do that, so if anyone has been able to do that please let me know how. The use case is movies I shot with my digital camera -- they are in .mov format with H.264 video and PCM audio -- which is not a combination that Dune handles so all you get is video but no sound. If I could have Plex transcode that it would be sweet, right now the only solution is to reencode the files at the source. The emplexer author stated in another forum that the application does not currently support transcoding. I also tried just using the uPnP application in the Dune (DLNA) but when I adjust the preference to disable "direct play" then the videos no longer show up.

So how does it handle the nfs/smb is this something that only the DUNE plex app does? Im going to assume its a second step like setup plex and have it running for upnp/dlna like normal plex then setup paths inside emplexer to mirror the same setup? I only have tested plex on a roku which does not support smb/nfs only upnp/http and on a PCH using plexnmt which again uses the http protocol. Also why are external subtitles not supported? Does the DUNE not make a hidden request for external subs over http or is this a plex limitation. I know upnp/http on PCH the PCH will make a hidden request for external subtitles so if you invoke movie.avi over upnp it also trys to access movie.srt/movie.txt/movie.sub
Edited by halfelite - 5/6/13 at 12:07pm
post #10027 of 10812
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Originally Posted by wocasio View Post

I don't think that is true anymore. I will double check again when I get home today, but I believe that if you use the emplexer Dune application and use the "smb" or "nfs" setting (as opposed to the native http Plex protocol) then you are essentially playing back the file the way you would play it back without Plex. I did test it with a DVD iso and it worked perfectly, I will check with a folder based BD rip - I can't recall whether I still have any BD iso's to test.

Let us know if it will play the BR folder structure movie just by pressing play! If it does I'll give it a try, and see how much better or worse it is compared to Zappiti, which has been a rock solid and easy jukebox to maintain and use.
post #10028 of 10812
Hi Sky,
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Originally Posted by Skylinestar View Post

Hi everyone. If I were to buy a new Dune Smart D1, can I go to here and download the latest firmware (dune_firmware_hdsmart_d1_121018_0846.dff) and load it into the D1? Will it update that way? Or must I go through incremental updates?
Yes, you can download the firmware from there and load it. It is complete, so you don't need to incrementally load prior firmwares.

That is exactly what I did. I bought a D1 with firmware from 2010, and I downloaded dune_firmware_hdsmart_d1_121018_0846.dff from that location. I extracted the "dff" from the "zip", used Dune's file-browser to point to the "dff", and was updated and running in about two minutes.
post #10029 of 10812
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Let us know if it will play the BR folder structure movie just by pressing play! If it does I'll give it a try, and see how much better or worse it is compared to Zappiti, which has been a rock solid and easy jukebox to maintain and use.

Yes I just confirmed that BD folders and iso's can be played just by pressing play or select.
post #10030 of 10812
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Originally Posted by halfelite View Post

So how does it handle the nfs/smb is this something that only the DUNE plex app does? Im going to assume its a second step like setup plex and have it running for upnp/dlna like normal plex then setup paths inside emplexer to mirror the same setup? I only have tested plex on a roku which does not support smb/nfs only upnp/http and on a PCH using plexnmt which again uses the http protocol. Also why are external subtitles not supported? Does the DUNE not make a hidden request for external subs over http or is this a plex limitation. I know upnp/http on PCH the PCH will make a hidden request for external subtitles so if you invoke movie.avi over upnp it also trys to access movie.srt/movie.txt/movie.sub

There is no official Dune Plex app but there is an unofficial app called emplexer which is what I used and that is the one that allows you to setup the paths for smb or nfs (as an option instead of streaming via Plex http). Essentially you are using the Plex as a jukebox just like Zappiti and when you press play you stream like normal via nfs or smb. So it supports everything that Dune normally supports for playback. I guess the author of emplexer could have added external subtitile support via http (since Plex supports it server side) but that is not in the app at the moment. I see no reason to use the app in http mode frankly since the other modes work so well in the Dune.
post #10031 of 10812
I was looking at the emplexer, and it appears it only shows poster jpg and no movie wall? Is that right?
post #10032 of 10812
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

I was looking at the emplexer, and it appears it only shows poster jpg and no movie wall? Is that right?

It shows both. However -- and I think it is a plus -- it doesn't force you to go to movie wall. If you press play directly from the jukebox thumbnail then the movie starts playing. If you press info then you see the movie wall with the usual metadata, summary, cast, etc. and then from there you can press play again. Zappiti always makes you press twice and go to the wall before you start playback.
post #10033 of 10812
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Originally Posted by wocasio View Post

It shows both. However -- and I think it is a plus -- it doesn't force you to go to movie wall. If you press play directly from the jukebox thumbnail then the movie starts playing. If you press info then you see the movie wall with the usual metadata, summary, cast, etc. and then from there you can press play again. Zappiti always makes you press twice and go to the wall before you start playback.

That is not correct. I can press play from the jukebox poster thumbnail and it plays the movie as well. I don't see any benefit to try this other than wasting my time setting it up. However, it is nice to have more jukebox options.
post #10034 of 10812
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

That is not correct. I can press play from the jukebox poster thumbnail and it plays the movie as well. I don't see any benefit to try this other than wasting my time setting it up. However, it is nice to have more jukebox options.

I thought you were off for the next two days...you are going to get a Honey-do list if you don't get busy with something...biggrin.gif

Sorry for the incorrect information there -- guess I always pressed Select instead of play and didn't know you could bypass--Select in emplexer bypasses also you have to press info to get the wall (Play is harder to find in the remote so usually just press Select). Zappiti has worked for me for years and it's great--I tried Plex on a whim since it was easily available on the Synology - no real effort to set up there since it is offered as an automated package. I do see some minor advantages, the biggest one for me being the ability to change the settings of "viewed/unviewed" directly from the TV remote instead of doing in on the PC. Also not having to manually scan/export to update the database.
post #10035 of 10812
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Originally Posted by wocasio View Post

Also not having to manually scan/export to update the database.

I think this is a big deal. I'm going to try Plex out, I do a lot of tv shows and having it automatically scrape will be a very nice benefit.
post #10036 of 10812
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Originally Posted by wocasio View Post

I thought you were off for the next two days...you are going to get a Honey-do list if you don't get busy with something...biggrin.gif

Sorry for the incorrect information there -- guess I always pressed Select instead of play and didn't know you could bypass--Select in emplexer bypasses also you have to press info to get the wall (Play is harder to find in the remote so usually just press Select). Zappiti has worked for me for years and it's great--I tried Plex on a whim since it was easily available on the Synology - no real effort to set up there since it is offered as an automated package. I do see some minor advantages, the biggest one for me being the ability to change the settings of "viewed/unviewed" directly from the TV remote instead of doing in on the PC. Also not having to manually scan/export to update the database.

I was thinking of trying out, but I don't like the way it looks. If it looked more like a jukebox rather than a thumbnail type of jukebox, I would try it out. After looking at the pictures of how it looks, I changed my mind.
post #10037 of 10812
Thanks for the details regarding Plex... everytime I see that I still think of Plextor. I'm using Zappiti but I also have a Synology NAS so I'm going to give Plex a try.
post #10038 of 10812
Loaded the new FW. I can confirm that neither .iso nor BRD folder structure work unless you use "lite". I love the ability to set the startup point, but not enough to lost that functionality. frown.gif As the vast majority of my Dune material is from My Movies drop-and-rip from the original BRD to iso or folder, it will be a lot of work to redo all of those. Less work to just select the MyMovies favorite. But I hope they fix the FW so ti can do both.

Meanwhile, I have an mkv of an old Hitchcock movie titled "Rebecca". When I attempt playback, I get a "stripe" of video instead of the normal aspect (which I think was 1.37:1). Apparently it's aspect flag is either wrong or throwing off the Dune. I can change the zoom mode to either fill the 1.78 frame (wrong) or use NLS (also wrong), but those are the only 2 stretch modes that make the picture look even close to what it's supposed to be. I use MM as my Jukebox, behavior persists whether I play from MM or direct from network-file access. Tried another mkv of the same movie, same result. It plays perfectly fine on a PC via VLC. Anyone know how to fix that?

EDIT: I fixed it. I ran the mkv through mkvmerge and set the aspect ration to 1.37:1 by setting pixels 1402x1080 (4x3 didn't work, tried that first). Plays correct now. Ahh the internet is a wonderful thing for self-help tech support
Edited by GetGray - 5/7/13 at 8:30pm
post #10039 of 10812
I tried the new firmware on one on my dunes and also couldn't play bd iso. DVD ISO was fine
post #10040 of 10812
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Originally Posted by Jon Spackman View Post

I tried the new firmware on one on my dunes and also couldn't play bd iso. DVD ISO was fine

Known issue. BD folder structure only play via "Lite" option. Hopefully, Dune will fix this soon! I really like the option of having the jukebox boot up upon start up.
post #10041 of 10812
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Yeah, on a server. Amazingly my Zappiti index is lightning fast now by moving my index from my WHSv1 machine to my new WS 2012 Essentials server.

Are you using nfs sharing?
post #10042 of 10812
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Originally Posted by alexsquared View Post

Are you using nfs sharing?

smb
post #10043 of 10812
Would this or Mede8er Med1000X3d be better for non 3d material? I need mediaplayer thats is responsive to use and stable. I dont need 3. I was thinking HD Duo with 3TB drives in it or MED1000X3D. i use it mostly for hd movies, dvd:s and tv-series. Which one would you guys recommend? HD Max and HD Duo are bit old, so are they slow or sluggish to use?

Mede8er would cost me 200€ and HD Duo 260€.
post #10044 of 10812
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Originally Posted by Jtm79 View Post

Would this or Mede8er Med1000X3d be better for non 3d material? I need mediaplayer thats is responsive to use and stable. I dont need 3. I was thinking HD Duo with 3TB drives in it or MED1000X3D. i use it mostly for hd movies, dvd:s and tv-series. Which one would you guys recommend? HD Max and HD Duo are bit old, so are they slow or sluggish to use?

Mede8er would cost me 200€ and HD Duo 260€.

Do you want full BR Menu support or forced subtitle support? If those are key to you then the Dune is the way to go (although hopefully someone else can confirm they play nice with 3TB drives). Also, the Mede8er does not have a proper TV Series jukebox (not sure what you are looking for here)
post #10045 of 10812
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Originally Posted by Jtm79 View Post

Would this or Mede8er Med1000X3d be better for non 3d material? I need mediaplayer thats is responsive to use and stable. I dont need 3. I was thinking HD Duo with 3TB drives in it or MED1000X3D. i use it mostly for hd movies, dvd:s and tv-series. Which one would you guys recommend? HD Max and HD Duo are bit old, so are they slow or sluggish to use?



Mede8er would cost me 200€ and HD Duo 260€.

Duo plays fine with 3 tb drives!! My suggestion is Dune all the way!! I have owned a few other players and the Dune has been the most stable by far. I have a Duo and a H1 and will purchase the new max when it comes out! It has played everything I've thrown at it with out issues!
post #10046 of 10812
My dune base 3.0 and Dune Max have no problem playing 3tb drives
In my Max the 3tb drive WDgreen runs a little hotter then smaller capacity drives
I modified my Max to have cooler hard drives and very happy at just how cool they come out now
both my dunes are quite snappy in how they operate
The max tho has double the ram of my base 3.0
If you like tv series like me in bluray and dvd the older dunes are great as you have full menu support
Its a pain with out full menu support in bluray---the episodes are random and all over the place--they have to be ripped separate for each episode--very frustrating to say the least
Edited by denass - 5/13/13 at 8:20am
post #10047 of 10812
I think ill try Dune then smile.gif Thanks for the answers smile.gif Is the remote good and responsive? denass, how did you mod? Did you change the fans? Which size fans doest it have?
post #10048 of 10812
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post


No, the smart does not play back blu ray 3d. You will need to get the dune based or tv303d. Your other option would be to convert your 3Ds to 1/2 SBS mkvs which the dune smart will play back.

Hi, so lets say I have a MKV whose stereographic flag is set to SBS. I load then the MKV in the Dune and press the Pop Up Menu button and select 3D SBS?
Is there anything else to do? I am going to try it out tonight... I have about a dozen tiltles in 3D which I had to pop in my Oppo to watch. I would rather stream them from my NAS...
post #10049 of 10812
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Originally Posted by isisyodin View Post

Hi, so lets say I have a MKV whose stereographic flag is set to SBS. I load then the MKV in the Dune and press the Pop Up Menu button and select 3D SBS?
Is there anything else to do? I am going to try it out tonight... I have about a dozen tiltles in 3D which I had to pop in my Oppo to watch. I would rather stream them from my NAS...

If I recall when I tested if you have the mkv named something like filename.sbs3d.mkv (something like that, I can't remember off the top of my head) it would automatically send the signal to your TV to switch to 3D mode. However, now that I think about it, that may only work with the 3D Dunes, with the Smarts I had to manually change my TV to 3D mode, and once done the file played fine
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I will give it a shot and see if I can make it work. I'll report back.
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