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post #10261 of 10800
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Originally Posted by sukumar View Post

As I posted before, I am using one Dune as NAS (with external hard disk hub) and other Dune as client. I tested Read speed on "Die hard with venegence" which is 50gb file and got 5.5MB/sec. I tried playing and video and audio worked fine. Not sure why I got problem last time. I need to test more to verify any intermittent problems.

Is 5.5 MB/sec decent speed for any blu-ray streaming? I guess it is 5.5*8= 44M bits/sec. I thought it should be around 100M bits/sec. Do you know if the bottle neck is Dune or usb 2 of hard disk(3TB Western digital book) or Belkin router or the way it is setup? This is current connection
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I don't put much weight on the internal speed test, I prefer to look at actual file transfer speeds. In any case, most 100b networks have a max throughput around 80Mb/sec and actual speeds can be lower still. Remember that all devices are sharing bandwidth. You'd see improved speeds on a Gigabit network, even with the 100b devices, and having all Gigabit routers/switches, etc. That said, it'll still top out around 8-9 MB/sec for most folks with the Dunes.
But as stated, the only real concern is whether you get acceptable streaming, since file transfers are always going to be slow.
post #10262 of 10800
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

I don't put much weight on the internal speed test, I prefer to look at actual file transfer speeds. In any case, most 100b networks have a max throughput around 80Mb/sec and actual speeds can be lower still. Remember that all devices are sharing bandwidth. You'd see improved speeds on a Gigabit network, even with the 100b devices, and having all Gigabit routers/switches, etc. That said, it'll still top out around 8-9 MB/sec for most folks with the Dunes.
But as stated, the only real concern is whether you get acceptable streaming, since file transfers are always going to be slow.

Based on my experience the network throughput is limited by the DUNE's chip. Can't get anywhere near GbE speeds.
The actual throughput you can get on USB disks directly attached to the DUNE over the network is close to 8-9KBps.
The internal disk (SATA) over the network is a bit faster at 12-16 KBps.
Good enough to handle BluRay bitrates in both cases but lame considering.

Some food for thought:

internal throughput on USB disk attached to the DUNE:
tangox[~]# hdparm -t /dev/sdf1
/dev/sdf1:
Timing buffered disk reads: 26 MB in 3.09 seconds = 8608 kB/s

internal throughput on SATA disk attached to the DUNE:
tangox[~]# hdparm -t /dev/sdm1
/dev/sdm1:
Timing buffered disk reads: 230 MB in 3.00 seconds = 78312 kB/s

Network throughput is maxing out at around 16 KBps.

All the above on a Base 3D attached to a GbE switch with dual GbE fibre links in 802.3ad to my NAS.
Need to add an important part. If you are using a WiFi dongle (like the Smart series use) this will bring down the directly attached USB disk throughputs to a crawl (lower than 5 KBps) resulting in problems playing full BluRay rips. DOn't know if this is still the case with the Based 3D as I'm not using WiFi but keep this in mind, wire is always better.
post #10263 of 10800
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Originally Posted by 939 View Post

Based on my experience the network throughput is limited by the DUNE's chip. Can't get anywhere near GbE speeds.
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Nevertheless, a Gigabit network removes any potential bottlenecks and improves performance of even 100b devices, particularly where multiple devices are attached. A 100b network cannot deliver max throughput to multiple devices.
post #10264 of 10800
Thanks for all replies. I have Belkin N+ router that claims giga bit support and I found it has USB port as well. Based on your responses, Dune can stream around 8Mb/sec. Then it is problem with my network. I will test avatar movie to check for any problems.

I already paid Verizon for ehternet connection. If I can do some testing to verify the speed, I can ask them to come and install ethernet cable. Unfortunately, they have to run Ethernet cable outside of the house and into the family room since it is two story house. Now, it is connected through CAT5 phone wiring.

I guess I need to connect two laptops, one at each end and share a folder and try to download to get transfer speed. Is there any procedure/test anybody recommends to really measure.?

I am temporarily using Dune as NAS. I have plan to buy Synology in near future. I can only call Verizon in one month to fix the issue without paying again and want to verify my network is good enough to handle NAS.
post #10265 of 10800
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

The current Dunes (based on the Sigma 8642 such as the Smarts, etc...) are no longer being manufactured (has nothing to do with Zappiti). The new line of Dune players right now is the 3D series (TV303D and Base3D) and everyone is waiting for the rumored Dune Max running XBMC

Thanks for the update. I did spot a 3d series Dune but it was around $400. More than I paid for my Dune Max.
post #10266 of 10800
a quick update on my 3tb issues, i was able to borrow a friends extra 3tb drive exact same drive as mine i put a folder and a few videos on it and it worked with the d1 right away

so now what im trying is im transferring everything off my 3tb to that drive and i will format my drive with the dune and see if i can get mine working with the transferring will take like a day to do since its usb to usb so i will keep everyone posted
post #10267 of 10800
I should have knocked on wood. Having trouble with my dune max and 3tb drive.

Very long story short.

I moved 88 movies from a 2tb drive to a newly formatted 3tb drive.

1/3 of the MKV movies play fine on the Dune. The rest give me a format error. All the format error files are fine and not corrupted.

If I hook the drive to my computer the movies all play without a problem. So I took one movie that gave me a format error on the Dune and moved it to my computer and deleted it from the Dune's drive.

I hooked the drive back up to the Dune so I could then move the movie back to the drive however I was surprised to see that the movie is still shows as on the drive when connected to the Dune when it is definitely not on the drive anymore.

This tells me there is a cache or index of the drive at the Dune that needs to be rebuilt and all will be well.

What is the best way to re-index/re-cache a drive hooked to the Dune? I looked at settings/storage and there are some options to clear storage/flash drive/cache that all seem scary because I don't know know what they will end up doing.

The drive is not corrupted, I use other drives of the same brand and size without a problem, the only difference with this drive is I moved 88 movies from an older 2tb drive to a 3tb drive and now 2/3 of the movies won't play on the Dune. Same drive connected to computer all files play. Most all files are MKVs but same type of issue with ISO files.
post #10268 of 10800
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Originally Posted by Mamasboy View Post


What is the best way to re-index/re-cache a drive hooked to the Dune? I looked at settings/storage and there are some options to clear storage/flash drive/cache that all seem scary because I don't know know what they will end up doing..

I'm pretty sure there's an option to "refresh" when you have the drive selected on your "sources" screen. Does that not work for you? Power cycling the player would certainly accomplish the re-indexing of a drive.
post #10269 of 10800
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

I'm pretty sure there's an option to "refresh" when you have the drive selected on your "sources" screen. Does that not work for you? Power cycling the player would certainly accomplish the re-indexing of a drive.

I power cycled several timeswith no luck. If I select the drive on the Dune there is no refresh/reindex option. I can go to setup / misc / storage and there are some options to clear storage, flash drive, and cache but since I don't know what they do so I hesitate to mess up entire system over 1 drive experimenting.
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I hooked the drive back up to the Dune so I could then move the movie back to the drive however I was surprised to see that the movie is still shows as on the drive when connected to the Dune when it is definitely not on the drive anymore.

I took this movie that I moved to my hard drive from the Dune drive and then took that same file "copied over" the movie file that actually was not on the Dune attached drive anymore and it now plays on the Dune when I select it. Same file, just deleted and moved to PC HD then back to Drive connected to Dune. I suppose I could do this with the 50 or so movies on the drive that are giving a file error but copying 50 movies to my harddrive then back to the Dune drive will take a very long time. Most are 25 gig type MKVs.

Very strange issue. Definitely some type of hard drive Dune index/cache problem.

BTW: my other four 3 and 2tb external drives are all working normally.
post #10270 of 10800
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Originally Posted by Mamasboy View Post

I power cycled several timeswith no luck. If I select the drive on the Dune there is no refresh/reindex option. I can go to setup / misc / storage and there are some options to clear storage, flash drive, and cache but since I don't know what they do so I hesitate to mess up entire system over 1 drive experimenting.
I took this movie that I moved to my hard drive from the Dune drive and then took that same file "copied over" the movie file that actually was not on the Dune attached drive anymore and it now plays on the Dune when I select it. Same file, just deleted and moved to PC HD then back to Drive connected to Dune. I suppose I could do this with the 50 or so movies on the drive that are giving a file error but copying 50 movies to my harddrive then back to the Dune drive will take a very long time. Most are 25 gig type MKVs.

Very strange issue. Definitely some type of hard drive Dune index/cache problem.

BTW: my other four 3 and 2tb external drives are all working normally.

There is a bluray cache, it's in the same place you would set up system storage.
post #10271 of 10800
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Originally Posted by DiabloZoe View Post

There is a bluray cache, it's in the same place you would set up system storage.

That is the one selection I would think would have nothing to do with the hard drives. Probably BD menu cache, last chapter, BD live etc....
post #10272 of 10800
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Originally Posted by Mamasboy View Post

I power cycled several timeswith no luck. If I select the drive on the Dune there is no refresh/reindex option. .

Pop-Up options, while the drive is highlighted on the Sources screen. Make sure you're powering off the player, not just going into standby.
One other thought: If the drive was formatted in Windows, did you remember to set the NTFS permissions to allow full access to everyone?
post #10273 of 10800
+1

Could be a right management problem when you did the transfer between the old and new drive.
post #10274 of 10800
If I connect hard drive to usb port of router, how do I access it from Dune? I have Belkin router with usb port.
post #10275 of 10800
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Originally Posted by sukumar View Post

If I connect hard drive to usb port of router, how do I access it from Dune? I have Belkin router with usb port.

That'll depend on the router's setup, and if it actually supports NAS functions. Assuming all that is true, the Dune should show the drive in the network browser. You could then choose to map that drive to your sources screen.
post #10276 of 10800
Yes it does seem like permissions issue but I can't figure out how to allow if that is the issue. It seems that all rights are set properly. Also, I would think either all or no movies would play on the drive if the drive rights/permissions were incorrect.
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Pop-Up options, while the drive is highlighted on the Sources screen. Make sure you're powering off the player, not just going into standby.

Sorry, somehow I missed the Refresh in the pop-up menu yesterday - unfortunately hitting refresh seems to do nothing

Yes, I completely power down. Unplugged dune, HDs, everything in every possible combination.
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

One other thought: If the drive was formatted in Windows, did you remember to set the NTFS permissions to allow full access to everyone?

Yes I did an NTFS format with windows, I have done this with other my other 3tb drive without a problem. I do not get any permissions option when doing an NTFS format that I know of. I did just hook the drive up to my computer, then clicked properties and then allowed all users all access - but I believe that only sets access for when the drive is connected to my computer, when I move it back to the Dune, I don't think those permissions follow the drive. I also made sure permissions were open for the drive when connected to the Dune - see this screencast

I checked all my other drives on the Dune and permission settings look the same.


If I go to Set up - Misc - System storage I get 4 options

Clear Blu-ray cache
Clear System storage
Deinitialize system storage
Clear flash memory

Other then the blu ray option, I am not clear what will happen if I do the others. I found this page http://dune-hd.com/eng/support/additional_features/system_storage but it is not much help

I am tempted to try clear flash memory.

If all else fails...

My other 3 tb drive has about 1.5 gigs free. I may just need to write down every movie that will not play when the drive is connected to the Dune. Then move that drive from the Dune to my PC so I can transfer those 50 or so blu ray MKVs to the other drive.
post #10277 of 10800
Open the drive properties in Windows, select the security tab and look to see who has permissions and what. This is your NTFS permissions. I've seen Windows do odd things with permissions, and it also can effect sharing permissions. I always add an entry for "Everyone" and give full NTFS permissions. I've never formatted a HDD in the Dune, so I can't way what it does with NTFS.
post #10278 of 10800
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Open the drive properties in Windows, select the security tab and look to see who has permissions and what. This is your NTFS permissions. I've seen Windows do odd things with permissions, and it also can effect sharing permissions. I always add an entry for "Everyone" and give full NTFS permissions. I've never formatted a HDD in the Dune, so I can't way what it does with NTFS.

You can see in screencast all permissions are wide open (this is looking at the Dune from my PC). Drive was formatted via my PC, not my Dune then moved to Dune - This is my normal process.

I made sure all permissions were open when the drive is connected to the dune and to my PC.
post #10279 of 10800
Only other thing I can think of is to connect the HDD to your PC, open the properties and select the "tools" pane. Select "error checking", tick the box for "fix file system errors" but do not select "scan for bad sectors". Run that and see if it finds any file system errors.
post #10280 of 10800
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Only other thing I can think of is to connect the HDD to your PC, open the properties and select the "tools" pane. Select "error checking", tick the box for "fix file system errors" but do not select "scan for bad sectors". Run that and see if it finds any file system errors.

Yep did that, no errors, no bad sectors and all the movies that show a file error are actually ok because if I move them to my PC then back to the drive they work.

I have resigned myself to recopy all the files that are erring out. Very strange that the first 30 or so that I copied to the new hard-drive work fine but the other 50 maybe 3 or 4 work without an error. I copied a few new movies to this HD as a test today and they work fine. It is almost as if the Dune has tagged some of the movies with meta data as still being on the old drive and throws an error.
post #10281 of 10800
so after a format of my original 3tb drive i put a few folders and files on it and now it works i dont know why the change i didnt format it in the dune i formatted it on my windows xp pc like i had originally done when i first got it so not sure

going to do some more testing over the next few days to make sure its 100 percent working now

but have a few more questions

an unrelated question if im keeping my d1 i want to change the skin i dont want to make my own though is there a thread or site with previews of skins and the downloads for them?

also is there a way to change the font size of the files displayed i find it rather big compared to my popcorn hour and also anyway to slow down the scroll of the full file name?

and using the smb server transferring from my pc to an attached usb drive is barely reaching 5 mb/s on the a-300 i was getting average 8-10mb/s for same process
Edited by iamloco724 - 6/13/13 at 2:00pm
post #10282 of 10800
Anyone have a line on where to get some more smart series?
post #10283 of 10800
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Originally Posted by Mamasboy View Post

Yep did that, no errors, no bad sectors and all the movies that show a file error are actually ok because if I move them to my PC then back to the drive they work.

I have resigned myself to recopy all the files that are erring out. Very strange that the first 30 or so that I copied to the new hard-drive work fine but the other 50 maybe 3 or 4 work without an error. I copied a few new movies to this HD as a test today and they work fine. It is almost as if the Dune has tagged some of the movies with meta data as still being on the old drive and throws an error.

I ran check disc through windows once a few days ago and it didn't find anything. I am now doing a command line chkdsk x: /r The first 4 out of stages took about 10 minutes - it has reported a few orphaned files recovered and a few un-indexed files recovered. Now stage 5 of the chkdsk has been working for 5 hours. Says 10 percent complete. (71 of 496 files processed). So it may take two days to complete at the rate its going. I wonder why it says 496 files when there are 88 files on the drive that I can see.

My hope after 2 days of chkdsk /r running all will be good. But I am thinking I ran into a wonky harddrive.. I think I will just RMA it and move everything to the replacement drive if this doesn't work.
post #10284 of 10800
The final stage of checkdisc is a sector by sector scan for bad sectors. I never do that because letting Windoz eliminate bad sectors can destroy files. OTOH, if any bad sectors exist, you do want to know that and replace the HDD. But "orphaned" and "unindexed" files are certainly out of the ordinary and signal an issue somewhere.
post #10285 of 10800
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Originally Posted by iamloco724 View Post

so after a format of my original 3tb drive i put a few folders and files on it and now it works i dont know why the change i didnt format it in the dune i formatted it on my windows xp pc like i had originally done when i first got it so not sure

going to do some more testing over the next few days to make sure its 100 percent working now

but have a few more questions

an unrelated question if im keeping my d1 i want to change the skin i dont want to make my own though is there a thread or site with previews of skins and the downloads for them?

also is there a way to change the font size of the files displayed i find it rather big compared to my popcorn hour and also anyway to slow down the scroll of the full file name?

and using the smb server transferring from my pc to an attached usb drive is barely reaching 5 mb/s on the a-300 i was getting average 8-10mb/s for same process

so the plot thickens i have now put all my files back on my original 3tb and now its having the same original problem, just yesterday it worked fine with a few files and folders

and my friends drive with the same exact files on it works fine with everything on there

this is very strange any ideas?
post #10286 of 10800
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Originally Posted by mrlittlejeans View Post

Anyone have a line on where to get some more smart series?


My local Microcenter in Detroit shows one unit in stock.

____

Axel

post #10287 of 10800
not that anyone has replied to my last few posts but i thought i would also add this i also bought a base 3d that just came in my original 3tb works with that as well
post #10288 of 10800
Hi all, I'm in the process of organizing my music collection, and would like to know which tag editing freeware do you guys recommend? Thanks in advance smile.gif
post #10289 of 10800
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Originally Posted by tightrope View Post

Hi all, I'm in the process of organizing my music collection, and would like to know which tag editing freeware do you guys recommend? Thanks in advance smile.gif

I use mp3tag
post #10290 of 10800
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

I use mp3tag

Does this work for FLAC files (I would guess not) ??


(EDIT) - apparently it does !!!
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