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post #10381 of 10812
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Originally Posted by Mr Eric View Post

I really don't think that this is an AACS update problem. Strangely the Fox discs that don't play on my BE, can perfectly be played on an old Panasonic BR player (at least 3 years old) that was never updated...Also if it was an AACS problem all BR from all studios wouldn't play, isn't it ?

With AACS keys also comes new security methods. And not all discs change security keys its part of the cat and mouse game, A studio can change keys all the time or never. But being fox im going to say then that the dune players are not supporting BD+ v5+ remember when avatar first came out with bd+ it was also a fox release. So security scheme needs updated also
post #10382 of 10812
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Originally Posted by halfelite View Post

With AACS keys also comes new security methods. And not all discs change security keys its part of the cat and mouse game, A studio can change keys all the time or never. But being fox im going to say then that the dune players are not supporting BD+ v5+ remember when avatar first came out with bd+ it was also a fox release. So security scheme needs updated also

Then why do the same discs work fine on his 3-year-old never-updated player? rolleyes.gif
post #10383 of 10812
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Originally Posted by ScottJ View Post

Then why do the same discs work fine on his 3-year-old never-updated player? rolleyes.gif

Because it would have support for bd+. It depends what the players had to beginging with. Do the discs work if you use the rapidly hitting menu or next button on load like avatar.

There is no getting around bd+ if your player does not have it disc dont load. If the discs load it means he has support for bd+. BD+ was finalized in 2008 so a 3yr old player would have support for it.

Easy test rip a fox movie with anydvd tell it to leave bd+ but remove all other security. if it plays then its not bd+ if it doesnt play its bd+

There are two protections here AACS keys which can change. there has only been so many revoked Keys mostly ones leaked by software players on PC. Then there is bd+ which is like a program that runs along side the bd+ disc inside the java VM of the bd stack. When the disc is launched the Bd+ program runs allowing the disc to be played back

And being FOX was the biggest support of bd+ then followed by disney, but disney has moved on to branching there titles rather then bd+ now
Edited by halfelite - 8/1/13 at 3:17pm
post #10384 of 10812
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Originally Posted by halfelite View Post

Because it would have support for bd+. It depends what the players had to beginging with. Do the discs work if you use the rapidly hitting menu or next button on load like avatar.

There is no getting around bd+ if your player does not have it disc dont load. If the discs load it means he has support for bd+. BD+ was finalized in 2008 so a 3yr old player would have support for it.

So why doesn't a 3-yr-old Dune support it? On a firmware that's 6 months old? All we're saying is that if Panasonic supported it just fine 3 years ago, Dune could have supported it by now if they'd wanted to.
post #10385 of 10812
BDJ is a java implementation.

I bet that everyone implements it somewhat differently.

I bet that movie studios invest time in making sure their discs operate well on the BDJ implementations in the major brands, but dont care about the minor markets (or inversely, have zero problem if their BDJ usages break devices they dislike)

There's a reason why software like anydvd has to be constantly updated, as it was written without any spec, that's easy to understand. what you don't get is that just because the bdj implementation of the dune or like devices was built from a spec (most likely by sigma), doesn't mean its perfect. It costs money to fix bugs like this and they have probably decided its not worth their time/effort.
post #10386 of 10812
It appears that duneplayer.com it's going to have a limited quantity of Dune Smart Series D1 for $360 dollars + shipping. Ouch! That's approximately over $100 dollars than what I paid for mine brand new.
post #10387 of 10812
I have been playing around with my tv-301 trying to get forced subs working on mkv and have now managed to stop forced subs working on bd-iso.

the only things i have done that i can think of that could have messed something up
-the un official patch for mkv subs, installed then removed.
-the new firmware update

any help please

Liam:)
post #10388 of 10812
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Originally Posted by liamthefirst View Post

I have been playing around with my tv-301 trying to get forced subs working on mkv and have now managed to stop forced subs working on bd-iso.

the only things i have done that i can think of that could have messed something up
-the un official patch for mkv subs, installed then removed.
-the new firmware update

any help please

Liam:)

I'm not sure anyone's tried the patch on a 301 before, though I don't know any reason it shouldn't work.

I'm not familiar with the 301's BD support; I assume it's BD-Lite? If so I'm surprised that forced subs ever worked for ISOs. (They don't work on the 303D.)
post #10389 of 10812
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Originally Posted by ScottJ View Post

I'm not sure anyone's tried the patch on a 301 before, though I don't know any reason it shouldn't work.

I'm not familiar with the 301's BD support; I assume it's BD-Lite? If so I'm surprised that forced subs ever worked for ISOs. (They don't work on the 303D.)

for some reason i couldn't get you patch to work, tbh i didn't know it was unknown for 301.. i did have alot of problems with dts-hd when the patch was installed???

but im almost certain the forced subs did work on the 301 when from bd-iso.

and yes its bd-lite
post #10390 of 10812
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

It appears that duneplayer.com it's going to have a limited quantity of Dune Smart Series D1 for $360 dollars + shipping. Ouch! That's approximately over $100 dollars than what I paid for mine brand new.

Small price to pay if you want the best, IMHO. Really, a D1 should last a person years, I've had my H1 for over 3 years now and don't see any need for anything else in the near or distant future.
post #10391 of 10812
yeah, recently I picked up a H1 and D1 for 2 systems and bought another H1 as a backup.....they are still more or less available in EU so I got buddies to buy and ship to me in the states.....they are really a bargain for what they do out the box without all the tinkering of a htpc. My only complaint on them would really be a gigabit ethernet port so it makes moving files to them across the network less painful......but I found out there's not much use for that as the streaming features is so solid hard wired.......which leads me to post some recent things I've tried with these that some might find useful:

1) Do not attempt to stream blu-rays using wireless N. It does not perform even close for high bit rate blu-rays peaking 50-60mbit per second.

2) I recently tried multiple 802.11 ac draft routers/media bridge setups (buffalo router/media bridge and a pair of asus rt-ac66r) and it works reasonably well. Albeit you still get a couple hiccups here and there not because of the bitrate but because wireless is just not as dependable and sudden small drops are possible. I get a constant 10-11 megabytes read rate when I do tests with the AC setups but decided to put it away from these hiccups.....you just can't dependably controll when wireless signals drop.....and even if it's a tad, it's enough to blip a couple seconds of a movie and especially annoying during dialogue scenes. The issue really is that the Dune units do not do any type of buffering (that or very little of it) and it just reads as it goes and cannot have any small breaks in the signal even if the throughput overall is much higher.

Conclusion....like many have mentioned before me, don't mess with wireless to stream blu-rays, it's not worth the headache. I ran an ethernet cable in the attic and it was the cheapest/most consistent solution.

Hoping this helps out people on the wireless sabbatical hah.
post #10392 of 10812
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Originally Posted by sensui View Post

yeah, recently I picked up a H1 and D1 for 2 systems and bought another H1 as a backup.....they are still more or less available in EU so I got buddies to buy and ship to me in the states.....they are really a bargain for what they do out the box without all the tinkering of a htpc. My only complaint on them would really be a gigabit ethernet port so it makes moving files to them across the network less painful......but I found out there's not much use for that as the streaming features is so solid hard wired.......which leads me to post some recent things I've tried with these that some might find useful:

1) Do not attempt to stream blu-rays using wireless N. It does not perform even close for high bit rate blu-rays peaking 50-60mbit per second.

2) I recently tried multiple 802.11 ac draft routers/media bridge setups (buffalo router/media bridge and a pair of asus rt-ac66r) and it works reasonably well. Albeit you still get a couple hiccups here and there not because of the bitrate but because wireless is just not as dependable and sudden small drops are possible. I get a constant 10-11 megabytes read rate when I do tests with the AC setups but decided to put it away from these hiccups.....you just can't dependably controll when wireless signals drop.....and even if it's a tad, it's enough to blip a couple seconds of a movie and especially annoying during dialogue scenes. The issue really is that the Dune units do not do any type of buffering (that or very little of it) and it just reads as it goes and cannot have any small breaks in the signal even if the throughput overall is much higher.

Conclusion....like many have mentioned before me, don't mess with wireless to stream blu-rays, it's not worth the headache. I ran an ethernet cable in the attic and it was the cheapest/most consistent solution.

Hoping this helps out people on the wireless sabbatical hah.

It doesn't matter if a media player does have gigabit ethernet port, if the CPU is stow old / slow, it will not support it.
post #10393 of 10812
You guys do realize that the gigabit on the older models (Smart series and older) was experimental and not really meant to provide true gigabit speeds.... It was nothing to do with the CPU
post #10394 of 10812
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

You guys do realize that the gigabit on the older models (Smart series and older) was experimental and not really meant to provide true gigabit speeds.... It was nothing to do with the CPU

Its was not experimental it was turned experimental after DUNE nor PCH could get it to function right. Sigma offered it as legit Gigabit and later back pedaled . All the experimental button does set it to auto negotiate or function in 10/100. And yes the CPU matters as with the older 864X models that first had this Gbit connection had the ethernet interface going over a a small bus that could never achieve full gbit then to top it off the cpu was not fast enough and the packets would overflow cause more issues then good if you did achieve close to the max of the bus speed which if i remember was right around 250mbit

hence the sigma chips upgraded to GMII & RGMII to support the gig interface yet the host controller was just not fast enough.
Edited by halfelite - 8/7/13 at 10:24am
post #10395 of 10812
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Originally Posted by halfelite View Post

Its was not experimental it was turned experimental after DUNE nor PCH could get it to function right. Sigma offered it as legit Gigabit. All the experimental button does set it to auto negotiate or function in 10/100. And yes the CPU matters as with the older 864X models that first had this Gbit connection had the ethernet interface going over a 200mbit bus So it was impossible to achieve gbit based on the cpu alone.

It was experimental as no one outside of Sigma was able to do it. The CPU is more than enough to handle gigabit, as gigabit was able to run on CPUs a lot older and a hell of a lot slower than the Sigma chips. I have slow Pentium 2's that run gigabit with no issues whatsoever. The Sigma chip is pretty darn speedy but Sigma screwed up something on the path between the NIC and the CPU.
post #10396 of 10812
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

It was experimental as no one outside of Sigma was able to do it. The CPU is more than enough to handle gigabit, as gigabit was able to run on CPUs a lot older and a hell of a lot slower than the Sigma chips. I have slow Pentium 2's that run gigabit with no issues whatsoever. The Sigma chip is pretty darn speedy but Sigma screwed up something on the path between the NIC and the CPU.

Except your P2 motherboard should have its own i/o Intel network chip to handle the ethernet not the cpu it would handle both discrete Ethernet over PCI as well as any onboard which was later renamed southbridge then became one with the cpu in later generation p4's. While the cpu may seem fast The sigma chip is speedy but when it comes to intense i/o functions its not its strong point. You could see difference when you did things like usb transfers heavy network transfers.
Edited by halfelite - 8/7/13 at 10:35am
post #10397 of 10812
I'll give you that one...but the fact remains that the CPU on the older Dunes was more than capable of running gigabit if the hardware implementation was done right.
post #10398 of 10812
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

I'll give you that one...but the fact remains that the CPU on the older Dunes was more than capable of running gigabit if the hardware implementation was done right.

I agree, but if that would of been done, Dune's would become more expensive.biggrin.gif
post #10399 of 10812
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

I'll give you that one...but the fact remains that the CPU on the older Dunes was more than capable of running gigabit if the hardware implementation was done right.

If I had to guess with never seeing the sdk My guess is the problem was between clock speeds. I dont think it could ever reach full gig on that cpu model but it could have done better then the 200-250mbit max some people could achieve. the way the phy integrates to the mac then to the mgII and RGMII each one has to run at the same exact clock speed in order to match and the way people would get massive packet drops seems like there was a kink in the chain along the clock speeds somewhere. so maybe a mismatched crystal oscillator somewhere. as all 3 devices would have to be clocked at 125.000mhz
post #10400 of 10812
Help with Zappiti?

Because of an internet service change ( and requirement to use their new router ) my network addresses all changed from 192.168.1.x to 192.168.0.x. I've updated my NAS from 192.168.1.50 to 192.168.0.50 and the windows mapped network drive changed from Z to Y. I went in to update the IP address in Zappiti and it's trying to clean up all of my previous movie settings and have me re-scrape everything. This would be a HUGE pain because I had to manually corrrect several of the scraped results. Is there a way to just have Zappiti export the new path without having to rescrape everything?

I really appreciate your input.
post #10401 of 10812
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Originally Posted by golobulus View Post

Help with Zappiti?

Because of an internet service change ( and requirement to use their new router ) my network addresses all changed from 192.168.1.x to 192.168.0.x. I've updated my NAS from 192.168.1.50 to 192.168.0.50 and the windows mapped network drive changed from Z to Y. I went in to update the IP address in Zappiti and it's trying to clean up all of my previous movie settings and have me re-scrape everything. This would be a HUGE pain because I had to manually corrrect several of the scraped results. Is there a way to just have Zappiti export the new path without having to rescrape everything?

I really appreciate your input.

That's weird, I updated my router, and all of my IP addresses changed. I opened Zappiti up went into the setting, and Zappiti automatically updated the IP address, I didn't have to do anything. I don't use mapped drives though.
post #10402 of 10812
Hey ,
When i stream movies with my dune d1 no video issues . When I stream tv shows that are 720p all good. When I stream tv shows that have a resolution of 1280 by 714 like burn notice I get horizontal lines across the screen that are visible in dark scenes ( are those refresh lines ). Anyone else have this ?
post #10403 of 10812
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Originally Posted by chalugadp View Post

Hey ,
When i stream movies with my dune d1 no video issues . When I stream tv shows that are 720p all good. When I stream tv shows that have a resolution of 1280 by 714 like burn notice I get horizontal lines across the screen that are visible in dark scenes ( are those refresh lines ). Anyone else have this ?
Burn Notice plays fine for me. If the lines you see are on the top, then they may be in the recording. I've only seen those lines from SD recordings (and really terrible DVDs). My recordings from Turner Classic Movies from their SD station used to have them all the time. It is left over from the days when tube TVs all had overscan.
post #10404 of 10812
No its hd not sd.
post #10405 of 10812
Burn Notice broadcasts at 1920x1080 so I'm not sure how you're getting that resolution. Are you watching reruns that are not on the original channel? If so, it may be part of that channel's downsizing.

Are the horizontal lines all at the top?
post #10406 of 10812
Lines go throughout .
post #10407 of 10812
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

That's weird, I updated my router, and all of my IP addresses changed. I opened Zappiti up went into the setting, and Zappiti automatically updated the IP address, I didn't have to do anything. I don't use mapped drives though.

Does anyone know if it's possible to update the Zappiti media path in a database file through text editing?
post #10408 of 10812
Hi Golobulus,
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Originally Posted by golobulus View Post

Does anyone know if it's possible to update the Zappiti media path in a database file through text editing?
There is an XML file in your Zappiti database folder called "settings.xml". It is pretty simple for an XML file, and you can edit it with a text editor.

Where Zappiti put its database folder depends on your operating system. On my XP system, it is in "C:\Documents and Settings\[user_name]\Local Settings\Application Data\Zappiti\" (replace [user_name] with the user account that Zappiti runs under).
post #10409 of 10812
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Originally Posted by MarkHotchkiss View Post

Hi Golobulus,
There is an XML file in your Zappiti database folder called "settings.xml". It is pretty simple for an XML file, and you can edit it with a text editor.

Where Zappiti put its database folder depends on your operating system. On my XP system, it is in "C:\Documents and Settings\[user_name]\Local Settings\Application Data\Zappiti\" (replace [user_name] with the user account that Zappiti runs under).

Thanks, I'll give that a try... would be much easier than rescraping just to change an IP address!
post #10410 of 10812
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Originally Posted by golobulus View Post

Help with Zappiti?

Because of an internet service change ( and requirement to use their new router ) my network addresses all changed from 192.168.1.x to 192.168.0.x. I've updated my NAS from 192.168.1.50 to 192.168.0.50 and the windows mapped network drive changed from Z to Y. I went in to update the IP address in Zappiti and it's trying to clean up all of my previous movie settings and have me re-scrape everything. This would be a HUGE pain because I had to manually corrrect several of the scraped results. Is there a way to just have Zappiti export the new path without having to rescrape everything?

I really appreciate your input.

Is it possible to change your router settings so the main gateway is back in the 192.168.1.x range? Alternatively, perhaps you change the network mask so that both .0.x and .1.x ip addresses are in the same local network. I believe the network mask in this case would be 255.255.254.0 (allowing for that extra bit). Of course you would then have to adjust all static ip clients but then you might be able to keep the NAS back to its previous ip address.
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