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post #5131 of 10095
7/31/11 at 8:19am
I think that my Dune is one of my best purchases ever, but I want (need?) to get a better way to watch Netflix. I currently use a Tivo to watch Netflix. Tivo was one of the first boxes to support Netflix, and the UI is definitely dated. Does anyone know if either the Roku2 or AppleTV provides a great Netflix experience? I think I'm leaning more towards the Roku because it looks more open.
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post #5132 of 10095
7/31/11 at 8:38am
The Roku 2 gives you 5.1 DD+ and 1080P content from Netflix.
But it only passes through DD+. No DD from Netflix on it if you only have a legacy receiver.
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post #5133 of 10095
7/31/11 at 9:02am
Aaron-
Audio is no problem. Do you like using the Roku? I'm looking for a good companion to my Dune.
I know talking about the Roku is getting away from the basic topic of this thread, but I figure I can trust the opinions of that people who are happy with the Dune - they're more like me than other folks.
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post #5134 of 10095
7/31/11 at 10:48am
Hi I'm looking at getting a Dune D1 and I have a collection of DVD's that are going out of print. No way do I want to risk scratching them. So what do I need to rip the files from the DVD's so I can play them without worrying?
They are just regular DVD's (not Blu-Ray) and they are subtitled. I want to be able to turn the subs on and off as well. So I need all the menus.
I want to run these off of a 2TB WD external HDD.
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post #5135 of 10095
7/31/11 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by Steve Cebu
Hi I'm looking at getting a Dune D1 and I have a collection of DVD's that are going out of print. No way do I want to risk scratching them. So what do I need to rip the files from the DVD's so I can play them without worrying?
They are just regular DVD's (not Blu-Ray) and they are subtitled. I want to be able to turn the subs on and off as well. So I need all the menus.
I want to run these off of a 2TB WD external HDD.
Anydvd hd or dvdfab will do the trick
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post #5136 of 10095
7/31/11 at 3:22pm
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Originally Posted by Hyrax View Post
Aaron-
Audio is no problem. Do you like using the Roku? I'm looking for a good companion to my Dune.
I know talking about the Roku is getting away from the basic topic of this thread, but I figure I can trust the opinions of that people who are happy with the Dune - they're more like me than other folks.
I don't own a Dune any more. But for either the Dune or PCH products, the Roku should compliment it well for someone that is interested in online streaming along with playing local media with their Dune or PCH product.

I just got a Roku 2 a few days ago. it supposedly uses just two watts and has been working well with the major streaming services like Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu+.
But if you are interested in VUDU, the Roku does not have it, at least currently.
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post #5137 of 10095
7/31/11 at 4:24pm
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Originally Posted by Steve Cebu
They are just regular DVD's (not Blu-Ray) and they are subtitled. I want to be able to turn the subs on and off as well. So I need all the menus.
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You don't need menus to get subtitles and multiple audio tracks. You can create ISO files and MKV files that only contain the core movie but still retain these functions. However if you really want a "backup" of the original media with full memu support, ISO files or folder structure is the way to go.
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post #5138 of 10095
7/31/11 at 4:59pm
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post
I don't own a Dune any more. But for either the Dune or PCH products, the Roku should compliment it well for someone that is interested in online streaming along with playing local media with their Dune or PCH product.

I just got a Roku 2 a few days ago. it supposedly uses just two watts and has been working well with the major streaming services like Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu+.
But if you are interested in VUDU, the Roku does not have it, at least currently.
I have had a Roku XDS for about a month now. Nice player, lots of good channels, but the user interface is far inferior to a WDTV Live Hub. Searches on the Roku are extremely frustrating - very sluggish response from the remote.

To do what I want, I ended up with 3 players - a Dune Duo for full blu ray iso support, a WD Hub for its really good family friendly user interface and for streaming from my home network (of course, the Dune also streams from the NAS) and the Roku for Hulu Plus and Amazon (kinda disappointed in both of those services, tho.).
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post #5139 of 10095
7/31/11 at 8:10pm
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Originally Posted by tbass2k View Post
Anydvd hd or dvdfab will do the trick
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Originally Posted by TODDAVS View Post
You don't need menus to get subtitles and multiple audio tracks. You can create ISO files and MKV files that only contain the core movie but still retain these functions. However if you really want a "backup" of the original media with full memu support, ISO files or folder structure is the way to go.

Thanks, I'll check out AnyDVD HD and DVDFab. Hopefully they will give me options as to how to save. I don't mind folder structure or an ISO file as long as I can contain each one under it's own name. There are 50 DVD's in that set. I am only missing 4 of those and they are out of print.
That's why I don't want to risk losing the ones I own, no way to replace them.
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post #5140 of 10095
7/31/11 at 9:04pm
Hi everyone,
I am looking also on buying the dune D1 or H1.
One of my main purposes of buying the D1/H1 is that I can install a 2tb internal hard disc (I have the WD20EARS).
I heard a lot of heating issues and problems of doing that.
Is it really something to worry about or I can buy the D1/H1 without any worries?

Thanks.
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post #5141 of 10095
8/1/11 at 7:09am
Most of our installs of dunes involve putting a roku in as well and everyone loves them. I like the legacy models better (you have component video options for those that need it and hard line / LAN ports on the lower models).
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post #5142 of 10095
8/1/11 at 7:31am
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Originally Posted by shy View Post

Hi everyone,
I am looking also on buying the dune D1 or H1.
One of my main purposes of buying the D1/H1 is that I can install a 2tb internal hard disc (I have the WD20EARS).
I heard a lot of heating issues and problems of doing that.
Is it really something to worry about or I can buy the D1/H1 without any worries?

Thanks.

I tested a WD 2TB EADS in the H1.
After an hour I ejected the drive and had to wear gloves to remove it. HOT HOT

Use an external device like a Vantec NexStar dock and avoid frying the drive and the Dune.
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post #5143 of 10095
8/1/11 at 9:34am
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Originally Posted by shy View Post

Hi everyone,
I am looking also on buying the dune D1 or H1.
One of my main purposes of buying the D1/H1 is that I can install a 2tb internal hard disc (I have the WD20EARS).
I heard a lot of heating issues and problems of doing that.
Is it really something to worry about or I can buy the D1/H1 without any worries?

Thanks.

Yea, I wouldn't recommend putting a 3.5" drive in the Dune, just stream or get an external enclosure. I put a 2.5" inch drive in the Dune because it obviously doesn't draw as much power or generate as much heat; it's sole purpose is to hold my Yadis interface.
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post #5144 of 10095
8/1/11 at 10:23am
If you're not going to use the H1 with an internal hard drive (which sounds like a good idea to avoid overheating) then consider the D1 for just a few $$ more. The D1's display is very handy- I especially like the fact that it displays the current timecode index of the file that's playing so you know exactly how far into the movie/show you are without pressing the "info" button on the remote.
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post #5145 of 10095
8/1/11 at 11:46am
If I decide to buy the dune duo, Is the ventilation better and I won`t have to be worried about the heat issues?

thanks again.
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post #5146 of 10095
8/1/11 at 1:15pm
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Originally Posted by shy View Post

If I decide to buy the dune duo, Is the ventilation better and I won`t have to be worried about the heat issues?

thanks again.

I have a Duo with 2 WD 2TB Green drives and it runs warm but not hot.
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post #5147 of 10095
8/2/11 at 12:24pm
What is better setting for deep color in Dune? I don't remember the options in player (12 bit 24 bit max).

What does the setting exactly do? Is it better to disable any alteration of deep color and let display decide?
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post #5148 of 10095
8/2/11 at 1:59pm
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Originally Posted by hjones View Post

I have a Duo with 2 WD 2TB Green drives and it runs warm but not hot.

Don't know about the Duo, but the H1 does NOT have a fan, that is why the internal HDD runs so hot.
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post #5149 of 10095
8/3/11 at 8:09am
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Originally Posted by sukumar View Post

What is better setting for deep color in Dune? I don't remember the options in player (12 bit 24 bit max).

What does the setting exactly do? Is it better to disable any alteration of deep color and let display decide?

Except for a few HD Camcorders there is virtually source material with deep color. Certainly not from BR, HDDVD, DVD, OTA broadcast, cable or internet feeds.
The source itself (say, some future HD DVD or Blu-ray player) will have to be able to output the extra color (via HDMI 1.3 or greater) to get to your TV, which also has to be xvYCC and Deep Color capable. If any step doesn't have these, then you won't get the benefit.

I leave mine on Auto and my TV is deep color capable but my camcorder has xvYCC, not the same thing, see here:
http://www.hometheater.com/gearworks/207gear/

But all my sources pass through a DVDO iScan Duo VP and it handles any input format for me.

Do you feed the display directly or through an AVR ?
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post #5150 of 10095
8/3/11 at 8:36am
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Originally Posted by catmother View Post

Except for a few HD Camcorders there is virtually source material with deep color. Certainly not from BR, HDDVD, DVD, OTA broadcast, cable or internet feeds.
The source itself (say, some future HD DVD or Blu-ray player) will have to be able to output the extra color (via HDMI 1.3 or greater) to get to your TV, which also has to be xvYCC and Deep Color capable. If any step doesn't have these, then you won't get the benefit.

I leave mine on Auto and my TV is deep color capable but my camcorder has xvYCC, not the same thing, see here:
http://www.hometheater.com/gearworks/207gear/

But all my sources pass through a DVDO iScan Duo VP and it handles any input format for me.

Do you feed the display directly or through an AVR ?

Thanks for the info. I use the following
Dune h1 (Mostly hd movies)
Anthem MRX 700 reciever (set to through to send video as it is)
JVC rs 40 projector

I think mine set to 4 bits each in Dune. I can try auto. As you mentioned, if any hd media does not support more than 4 bits yet, I guess some thing has to guess and change 4 bits to 8 or 12 bits. I wonder which one can approximate bits to get deeper color space better (projector or receiver or Dune).
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post #5151 of 10095
8/3/11 at 9:09am
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Originally Posted by sukumar View Post

Thanks for the info. I use the following
Dune h1 (Mostly hd movies)
Anthem MRX 700 reciever (set to through to send video as it is)
JVC rs 40 projector

I think mine set to 4 bits each in Dune. I can try auto. As you mentioned, if any hd media does not support more than 4 bits yet, I guess some thing has to guess and change 4 bits to 8 or 12 bits. I wonder which one can approximate bits to get deeper color space better (projector or receiver or Dune).

I can hardly claim to be an expert but selecting a higher bit depth than the source can not create the missing bits but may make a difference in processing.
Supplying 8/12/16 bits will allow a VP whether in the display or the AVR or external processor to calculate color space transformation with greater precision avoiding round-off errors. This has been discussed in many threads on AVS.

Ultimately the extra bits are discarded but the intermediate calculation is more accurate so one gains in that respect. In any event, selecting a higher bit depth AFAIK will not cause any harm.

If you have the patience download and read the Poynton Color FAQ:
http://www.poynton.com/ColorFAQ.html

Considered the 'color bible'
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post #5152 of 10095
8/3/11 at 9:24am
The max and duo both have fans (also better power supplies and double the ram).
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post #5153 of 10095
8/3/11 at 11:11am
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Originally Posted by catmother View Post

I can hardly claim to be an expert but selecting a higher bit depth than the source can not create the missing bits but may make a difference in processing.
Supplying 8/12/16 bits will allow a VP whether in the display or the AVR or external processor to calculate color space transformation with greater precision avoiding round-off errors. This has been discussed in many threads on AVS.

Ultimately the extra bits are discarded but the intermediate calculation is more accurate so one gains in that respect. In any event, selecting a higher bit depth AFAIK will not cause any harm.

If you have the patience download and read the Poynton Color FAQ:
http://www.poynton.com/ColorFAQ.html

Considered the 'color bible'

Thanks. I am enjoying reading the faq link. I think 12 bit is the limit in Dune for deep color.right? May be there are players with 16 bit. Not sure what is default bit for blu-ray movies.
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post #5154 of 10095
8/3/11 at 12:00pm
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Originally Posted by catmother View Post

Don't know about the Duo, but the H1 does NOT have a fan, that is why the internal HDD runs so hot.


Would it be possible to use a mother board sata cable from the internal connector to hook up
a hard drive outside the player?
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post #5155 of 10095
8/3/11 at 12:03pm
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Originally Posted by Irwinroad View Post

Would it be possible to use a mother board sata cable to hook up
a hard drive outside the player?

Just use a dock like this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817153071) connected to the eSata port on the Dune
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post #5156 of 10095
8/3/11 at 12:04pm
Is it as fast as the internal hook up?
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post #5157 of 10095
8/3/11 at 12:16pm
esata should be plenty fast
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post #5158 of 10095
8/3/11 at 12:27pm
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Originally Posted by Irwinroad View Post

Is it as fast as the internal hook up?

Theoretically eSata should be just as fast as internal Sata. Keep in mind, the only time it will matter is browsing your movie jukebox. For storing movies, even USB is plenty fast. It's fast enough to stream a Blu-ray, and it's faster than the 100Mb Ethernet when accessing over the network.
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post #5159 of 10095
8/4/11 at 7:13am
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Originally Posted by sukumar View Post

Thanks. I am enjoying reading the faq link. I think 12 bit is the limit in Dune for deep color.right? May be there are players with 16 bit. Not sure what is default bit for blu-ray movies.

It depends on the player. The LG BD570 does not have a user setting for deep color, the Panasonic BD210 does but the only choices are auto and off.

My Dune H1 has Auto (EDID), 8, 10, 12 bit. My H1 is set to Auto.

My Netgear NeoTV550 offers Off, 30 bits and 36 bits.
When set to ether Off or 36 bits the iScan Duo reports 24 bits as input but 36 bits as output to the display.
It appears that the Duo takes control here.
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post #5160 of 10095
8/5/11 at 2:11pm
Im not sure if this is a dune or tsmuxer problem, if i mux just the main mt2s and insert chapters every 5 minutes, I cant get chapters working on the dune?

The next button wont do anything.
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