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post #7441 of 10805
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Originally Posted by Murilo View Post

Did you see my post a few pages up, not sure if you would want this, but someone has the xbmc front end launching files/movies on there dune, might not be practical for you according to your needs but im going to give it a try.

Completely agree though its a shame we cant get xbmc on something rock solid like dune for playback. Dunes biggest downfall is its juke box which happens to be xbmc strong suit.

I Saw that but that sounds bizarro. Who wants to use 1 AVR input to select movies and another to watch it. seems bizarre. maybe I'm missing it. I can see the draw for smartphone tablet remotes but this strikes me as weird.

thanks for the tip though. The only reason I ever bought the PCH A-110 in the first place was for HD Audio. Unfortunately many years later XBMC is still lacking in this department. One of these years they will fix it. not holding my breath though. Looks likes its a year+ out IMO from watching whats going on with XBMC forums.
post #7442 of 10805
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Originally Posted by RaggedEdge View Post

This version, 110606_1315, still has lossless decode to lpcm. Note one other thing, the latest batches of Smarts have different firmwares. I believe they have taken the ability to decode to lpcm out of the hardware so you can't load the older firmwares on those boxes.

I had a server system drive crash that has been occupying my time lately, so I hadn't yet updated my B1 beyond 110606_1315, which is what it is on now. Looks like I never will!
post #7443 of 10805
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Originally Posted by sean_w_smith View Post

So one of your issues is bad hardware which died and one of which is sub optimal install......

So whats better even at 2x the price.

your original post made it sound like a pile of remotes was a better choice which is a joke. The implication is a disservice to readers here IMO. That's my rub.

Seriously Sean, that is your rub....sigh

Nowhere did I say a pile of remotes were better. I was simply talking about issues with an RF remote in my setup where when you have non techie people operating you are bound to run into issues. This has zero to do with bad hardware and it is common for people that I know who use RF that rely on IR for the TV because of their setup. I am sorry if you interpreted differently or possibly your house is full of techies...
post #7444 of 10805
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Originally Posted by TODDAVS View Post

It's hard to imagine the lite player has a decoding license and the smart does not. Have to believe that at least would change. The older players may have the correct license.

I tried the Lite with three custom files I made; DTS (5.1), DTS-MA, & True-HD (all three have strong rear channel work and voice through the center). Since I prefer FLAC for all my MKVs I always have my Dunes set to Decoding (LPCM) and when I played these three there was correct output of all three. If there wasn't there would be either only 2.0 and nothing on the rears or there would be front audio coming out the rears.
post #7445 of 10805
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post


I tried the Lite with three custom files I made; DTS (5.1), DTS-MA, & True-HD (all three have strong rear channel work and voice through the center). Since I prefer FLAC for all my MKVs I always have my Dunes set to Decoding (LPCM) and when I played these three there was correct output of all three. If there wasn't there would be either only 2.0 and nothing on the rears or there would be front audio coming out the rears.

I believe you, just am surprised that dune would yank the functionality from the Smart series and intentionally leave it in the lite series. I am guessing it will later be removed. Does it still show that capability on the dune website for the lite player? More curious than anything. I will have a look when I am at a PC later today.

Actually when you think about it, dos make more sense to have the full scoring capability in the duo and max players that have 7.1 analog outs.

Having said that if I was using the decoding capabilities I would be highly annoyed with this. I don't think it's right and perhaps not legal for them to sell you a player that has certain functionally and then take it away. I would be asking for a deal on a duo, like buy back my smart, if I needed the decoding.
post #7446 of 10805
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Unfortunately that will not work either lol. Basically when the cabinet was installed and all the wires run from the TV to the AV cabinet, no one was forward enough thinking to make sure that future wires could be run (I $hit you not)! The AV company ran the wires before the cabinet was installed. Since the TV is mounted above the fireplace they claim it was very difficult to get the wires run (because of the pipes, etc... for the fireplace behind the wall). Once the cabinet was installed that pretty much sealed off access to the wires.

This is actually a bit of a sore spot for me. I had this all done before I was really in to all the home AV gear stuff so I didn't really know any better and figured "Hey, I am using professionals, they know what they are doing". I was annoyed because all this stuff was done when I was at work. When I came home I saw the AV guys had only run one HDMI cable and one component cable from the TV, which meant that a) if I wanted to watch tv via my cable box and not turn on my AVR (which is how I would do it) I could only connect via component (i.e. my AVR does not have HDMI pass through when off) and b) if my HDMI wire goes bad I am screwed! I asked them why they didn't run extra HDMI wires (since my TV has 4 HDMI inputs) and they just shrugged their heads saying it was too late now to run anymore wires. When they ran the wires they claim the wires are basically tangled around the piping behind the wall, so it isn't even something where I could try and fish additional wires through. If/when the time comes where I have to run additional wires without a choice, that will be fun lol

OK, rant over

Damian, did you look at the link i provided? It uses the
EXISTING HDMI cable and no new wires. NO NEW WIRES. You simply unhook the HDMI from your tv and add this little adapter, then plug it back in to the TV, the IR emitter plugs in to the small adapter. Same thing at the cabinet end of the hdmi. NO NEW cables in the wall!!!

Jon
post #7447 of 10805
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Originally Posted by Jon Spackman View Post

Damian, did you look at the link i provided? It uses the
EXISTING HDMI cable and no new wires. NO NEW WIRES. You simply unhook the HDMI from your tv and add this little adapter, then plug it back in to the TV, the IR emitter plugs in to the small adapter. Same thing at the cabinet end of the hdmi. NO NEW cables in the wall!!!

Jon

Doh, I saw the link but thought it was a new wire, not just an adapter

I will give this a closer look, big thanks!
post #7448 of 10805
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Originally Posted by halfelite View Post

According to the MPCclub post


- OK : 110225_1222
- OK : 110225_1222_update1
- OK : 110225_1222_update2
- OK : 110511_2007_beta
- OK : 110606_1315
- NOT OK : 110606_1315_update1
- NOT OK : 111122_0159_beta

I can confirm this with my Smart H1. Up to 110606_1315 is OK, the update1 kills it.

I didn't notice it initially since my AV processor adds PLIIx processing to stereo inputs.

Only after downloading a TrueHD demo file and a DTS-MA demo file and trying to play them, did I hear no audio at all.

I have a high end AVP (Anthem D2) and to replace it with the newer model that bitstreams HD Audio would cost $7K I don't have... so I will stay with the last known good firmware.
post #7449 of 10805
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Originally Posted by gdc View Post

I can confirm this with my Smart H1. Up to 110606_1315 is OK, the update1 kills it.

I didn't notice it initially since my AV processor adds PLIIx processing to stereo inputs.

Only after downloading a TrueHD demo file and a DTS-MA demo file and trying to play them, did I hear no audio at all.

I have a high end AVP (Anthem D2) and to replace it with the newer model that bitstreams HD Audio would cost $7K I don't have... so I will stay with the last known good firmware.

This is good to know. My Dune B1 should be here today, and I am hoping it doesn't have any of the last two updates.

If it does is there a way to change back the FW to the older one 110606_1315
post #7450 of 10805
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post


This is good to know. My Dune B1 should be here today, and I am hoping it doesn't have any of the last two updates.

If it does is there a way to change back the FW to the older one 110606_1315

The latest beta n my Duo is 120202_1544 (beta)
post #7451 of 10805
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

This is good to know. My Dune B1 should be here today, and I am hoping it doesn't have any of the last two updates.

If it does is there a way to change back the FW to the older one 110606_1315

This is something we would like to all know. Is it possible to downgrade the firmware on the newer units being shipped. For units that are older, you can downgrade the firmware, but on MPC they make it sound like the newer units are not able to be downgraded to support lpcm.
post #7452 of 10805
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Originally Posted by RaggedEdge View Post

This is something we would like to all know. Is it possible to downgrade the firmware on the newer units being shipped. For units that are older, you can downgrade the firmware, but on MPC they make it sound like the newer units are not able to be downgraded to support lpcm.

Does anyone know? I am assuming it is possible since every other player can do it
post #7453 of 10805
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Does anyone know? I am assuming it is possible since every other player can do it

What do you mean every other player can do it? Name one player with Netflix support that can be downgraded on the firmware? name one?
post #7454 of 10805
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Originally Posted by RaggedEdge View Post

This is something we would like to all know. Is it possible to downgrade the firmware on the newer units being shipped. For units that are older, you can downgrade the firmware, but on MPC they make it sound like the newer units are not able to be downgraded to support lpcm.

Who volunteers to potentially brick their new Dune?
post #7455 of 10805
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Originally Posted by gdc View Post

Who volunteers to potentially brick their new Dune?

Hopefully, it will just pop up an error message and tell you that the firmware is not compatible with your hardware. GusGus, you are getting a B1 today, let us know what the stock firmware is.
post #7456 of 10805
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Originally Posted by Jon Spackman View Post


What do you mean every other player can do it? Name one player with Netflix support that can be downgraded on the firmware? name one?

Netflix support?.
post #7457 of 10805
I know for players to get Netflix support they have to use firmware that cannot be rolled back. I realize the Dune players do not have Netflix, but he said "every other player" so that means blu ray players to me.
post #7458 of 10805
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Originally Posted by Jon Spackman View Post

I know for players to get Netflix support they have to use firmware that cannot be rolled back. I realize the Dune players do not have Netflix, but he said "every other player" so that means blu ray players to me.

The AIOS, Patriot Box, HiMedia, Micca you can go back to older FW or newer. I dont know anything aboit netflix. Thats why i play it with my xbox or ps3.
post #7459 of 10805
I just got my Dune B1, and I had a little bit of an issue already lol. I took it apart and installed a USB inside of it prior to setting it up. For some reason or another, I would see the Dune on the screen, but then it would go black, and the Dune screen would show "DIALOG."

It said on the direction to push Mode, and 1, 2, 3,4 or 5 to change the out put but it wasn't working

I took the USB drive out and turn it on again, and it worked fine. It has played every file I've tested so far. Furthermore, all of my mkv have chapters, which was something my AIOS can recognize.

The other thing I've noticed right away is the video quality is really super duper awesome.

Too bad I've got to go to work. I need to finish all my rips, and then run Zappiti

Oh, yeah, I'm kind of screwed with the FW, it came with update 1
post #7460 of 10805
Just an FYI, for anyone having issues with BD rips from AnyDVD. The newest beta revision appears to address this:

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7.0.0.8 2012 02 29
- New (Blu-ray): Updated decryption keys
- New (Blu-ray): Support for new Java based protection
- New (DVD): Support for new copy protections
- New (DVD): Improved post-processing of AI scanner
- Change: AnyDVD 7 did not start without gdiplus.dll (Windows 2000)
- Fix (Blu-ray): Crash of speedmenu with some discs
- Fix (Blu-ray): "remove video sequences ..." could make some discs unplayable
- Fix (DVD): dvdid.xml creation path
- Some minor fixes and improvements
- Updated languages
post #7461 of 10805
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Just an FYI, for anyone having issues with BD rips from AnyDVD. The newest beta revision appears to address this:

Is that another beta version only available manually installing?

Edit my bad, thats anydvd software not dune :/
post #7462 of 10805
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Seriously Sean, that is your rub....sigh

Nowhere did I say a pile of remotes were better. I was simply talking about issues with an RF remote in my setup where when you have non techie people operating you are bound to run into issues. This has zero to do with bad hardware and it is common for people that I know who use RF that rely on IR for the TV because of their setup. I am sorry if you interpreted differently or possibly your house is full of techies...

I guess I misunderstood the word the hate in the context you used it.

on HW problems you said:

"The first one (which I pretty much bought when it was first released), more and more the blaster signal was not going through, and about a week ago the 900 stopped working altogether (I would have to take out the battery, leave out overnight, put it back in, it would work for about 8 hours then same problem). "

and then you say

"This has zero to do with bad hardware and it is common for people that I know who use RF that rely on IR for the TV because of their setup."

I guess I just dont get it.

I really enjoy mine and then dozens I have recommended I seldomly get support calls on harmony issues or even the older URC remotes I used to install 15 years ago.


Dune arrive yesterday. The thing is rather large. Its installed and I started playing with it last night but we busy mounting the new 18's in the theater.
Did play HD audio out of MKV on the first try so thats a great news. More next week as it supposed to blizzard the next 2 days so time to ride.

Sean
post #7463 of 10805
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Originally Posted by Jon Spackman View Post

What do you mean every other player can do it? Name one player with Netflix support that can be downgraded on the firmware? name one?

since when does do the Dune do netflix?
post #7464 of 10805
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Originally Posted by Jon Spackman View Post

I know for players to get Netflix support they have to use firmware that cannot be rolled back. I realize the Dune players do not have Netflix, but he said "every other player" so that means blu ray players to me.

wow, you must be busy correcting all the over zealous comments around here....
post #7465 of 10805
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Originally Posted by sean_w_smith View Post

I guess I misunderstood the word the hate in the context you used it.

on HW problems you said:

"The first one (which I pretty much bought when it was first released), more and more the blaster signal was not going through, and about a week ago the 900 stopped working altogether (I would have to take out the battery, leave out overnight, put it back in, it would work for about 8 hours then same problem). "

and then you say

"This has zero to do with bad hardware and it is common for people that I know who use RF that rely on IR for the TV because of their setup."

I guess I just dont get it.

I really enjoy mine and then dozens I have recommended I seldomly get support calls on harmony issues or even the older URC remotes I used to install 15 years ago.


Dune arrive yesterday. The thing is rather large. Its installed and I started playing with it last night but we busy mounting the new 18's in the theater.
Did play HD audio out of MKV on the first try so thats a great news. More next week as it supposed to blizzard the next 2 days so time to ride.

Sean

We can just agree to disagree as either I wasn't clear, you are misinterpreting what I was saying, or a mix. The issue I was originally taking about was not hardware related, I just speaking in terms of family use and the signals not always getting picked up (since I have a combo of IR and RF, and tbh honest even the RF isn't 100%). If you find that your Harmony RF is 100% that is great, but it hasn't been my experience (it has been very good, but when dealing with family when you don't hit 100% it gives them a lot of confusion). If I somehow mixed the two thoughts I was trying to convey I apologize, didn't realize remote control talk was a sore spot for you No worries if you don't get it
post #7466 of 10805
FWIW, I use a URC MX-900 with (I think) the 300 RF base station in my theater room equipment closet. It controls the prepro, two projectors, the oppo, an HD DVD player, the Dune and a two channel preamp. I have the base station between the two projectors and rely on its IR blaster to control the PJ's and use emitters for the rest of the equipment which is in a rack. It works fine most of the time but the emitters seem rather weak at times and sometimes I have to power cycle the base station in order for the equipment to register receiving signals. The lights on the emitters light up indicating they are sending a signal but none of the equipment responds. It can be annoying.
post #7467 of 10805
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Originally Posted by alexsquared View Post

Ran into something yesterday that I'm wondering if anyone else has seen. Dune Smart B1 unit with Zappiti jukebox. I did an FTP transfer of the index from my server to a thumb drive on the dune just like I always do. Didn't notice or suspect anything weird. The mrs went to play a movie and it would go from the zappiti background picture for the movie to a black screen for a few seconds, similar to what it normally does, but instead of the movie starting, it goes back to the Zappiti background screen for the movie. Almost like someone pressed stop. I tried numerous movies tonight to test, and the problem happened everytime. I finally switched power off/on at the back of the unit and it worked again. Anyone else had this happen?

Just checking again. Has anyone else seen this behavior? Any thoughts? Thanks.
post #7468 of 10805
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

I just got my Dune B1, and I had a little bit of an issue already lol. I took it apart and installed a USB inside of it prior to setting it up. For some reason or another, I would see the Dune on the screen, but then it would go black, and the Dune screen would show "DIALOG."

It said on the direction to push Mode, and 1, 2, 3,4 or 5 to change the out put but it wasn't working

I took the USB drive out and turn it on again, and it worked fine. It has played every file I've tested so far. Furthermore, all of my mkv have chapters, which was something my AIOS can recognize.

The other thing I've noticed right away is the video quality is really super duper awesome.

Too bad I've got to go to work. I need to finish all my rips, and then run Zappiti

Oh, yeah, I'm kind of screwed with the FW, it came with update 1

Glad to hear you got it working.

Who did you get the Dune from? It may be worth at least complaining/contacting the reseller about the removal of multi channel decoding/output from HD Audio
post #7469 of 10805
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Originally Posted by sean_w_smith View Post

Dune arrive yesterday. The thing is rather large. Its installed and I started playing with it last night but we busy mounting the new 18's in the theater.
Did play HD audio out of MKV on the first try so thats a great news. More next week as it supposed to blizzard the next 2 days so time to ride.

Sean

Of course it played HD audio, but did it DECODE HD Audio? That is the rub, nobody is saying that the Dune's won't bitstream lossless audio, we are trying to figure out why the newer firmwares won't decode HD Audio.
post #7470 of 10805
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Originally Posted by sean_w_smith View Post


wow, you must be busy correcting all the over zealous comments around here....

Says the one correcting dbone about his harmony and ir "problem." Stick to boarding and I'll pass you on the slopes lol.
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