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post #7741 of 10092
3/22/12 at 5:09am
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

I finally tested the "remember where I left off" feauture, and my Dune remembers where I left off. Even my AIOS media player does it as well.

Where is this feature located? or is this just turning BD-Lite on?
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post #7742 of 10092
3/22/12 at 5:48am
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Interesting 2nd post from a guy named MikeStealthMode

i thought the same thing when he kept mentioning different things he'd heard from "friends" using dune players in various ways in his first post
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post #7743 of 10092
3/22/12 at 6:12am
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Originally Posted by Hyrax View Post

It seems to me you're comparing apples and oranges. For their cost, convenience, and features I'd rather use a Dune for media streaming and a Blu-Ray player for playing Blu-Rays.The fact that Blu-Ray players are beholden to the rules such as 'No ISO files' and DRM games such as Cinavia and Region Codes means they don't make great media players. At least that is my experience.

The only thing I really wish Dune didn't do is scale videos, but honestly I never notice anything glaringly wrong. Perhaps that is because my VP cleans things up and does the proper color space conversion.

No one is arguiing that players make great streamers just that there are compromises in quality in streamers that might matter to some.

Your VP wont clean up errors introduced by the player. read part two of the benchmark article and that should be clear.
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post #7744 of 10092
3/22/12 at 6:43am
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

Where is this feature located? or is this just turning BD-Lite on?

There isnt a feature. It just automatically does it. I rip my bd movies with clownbd and sd movies with makemkv, and tv shows as isos.

I was watching 50/50 one day and turned it off. I turned it on the next day and it remembered where i left off.
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post #7745 of 10092
3/22/12 at 6:47am
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Originally Posted by sean_w_smith View Post

The Dune does scale videos so I'm not sure what you are talking about

didn't he imply that he knew that by saying he wished it didn't?
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post #7746 of 10092
3/22/12 at 6:54am
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Originally Posted by sean_w_smith View Post

No one is arguiing that players make great streamers just that there are compromises in quality in streamers that might matter to some.

The Dune does scale videos so I'm not sure what you are talking about and your VP wont clean up errors introduced by the player. read part two of the benchmark article and that should be clear.

Agreed. I have a VP50Pro after my Dune player and it doesn't do a thing for the greenish cast I see by the Dune doing the colorspace conversion. This is the reason why most of us with calibrated displays and video processors are screaming for a source direct mode. It doesn't look like it's going to happen for the Dune so whoever is able to incorporate that feature into their player will likely get the business of those of us that notice these things. I also agree that media players offer a great bang for the buck and are very convenient but I also understand that we are compromising video quality in each and every one of them.
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post #7747 of 10092
3/22/12 at 6:58am
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Originally Posted by absolootbs View Post

didn't he imply that he knew that by saying he wished it didn't?

Ahh, didn't read it correctly. edited and corrected.
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post #7748 of 10092
3/22/12 at 7:14am
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

There isnt a feature. It just automatically does it. I rip my bd movies with clownbd and sd movies with makemkv, and tv shows as isos.

I was watching 50/50 one day and turned it off. I turned it on the next day and it remembered where i left off.

I am sorry for my ignorance... But I have never once had a BD movie resume where it left off... That is why I asked about a BD resume feature in post #7720

DVDs resume just fine... But I have the DVD Resume feature turned on:


Do you have BD-Lite turned on:


or is it just because you are using system storage? or what?
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post #7749 of 10092
3/22/12 at 9:00am
I rip all my movies using DVDFab (ISO) and most of the time I do full disc, sometimes main movie only if it's a problematic disc. I have seen the auto-resume feature work on the following movies that I can recall: The Incredibles, Star Wars (all the new BD discs), just to name a few. I have "ask user" selected for the enter button on Blu-Ray folder option. I also have system storage enabled. I'm not sure that matters. I think this feature is disc dependant, at least with Blu-Ray movies.
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post #7750 of 10092
3/22/12 at 9:03am
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Originally Posted by dropzone7 View Post

I rip all my movies using DVDFab (ISO) and most of the time I do full disc, sometimes main movie only if it's a problematic disc. I have seen the auto-resume feature work on the following movies that I can recall: The Incredibles, Star Wars (all the new BD discs), just to name a few. I have "ask user" selected for the enter button on Blu-Ray folder option. I also have system storage enabled. I'm not sure that matters. I think this feature is disc dependant, at least with Blu-Ray movies.

From what everyone was discussing it appears that auto resume should work for full disc rips (assuming of course it is built into the disc itself) but won't work currently for main movie rips (such as using Clown_BD)
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post #7751 of 10092
3/22/12 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by mattmarsden View Post

Could someone point me in the right direction - when I play blu-ray disc folders through Zappiti it doesn't resume from where I last left off. Is there any way I can enable this? I've got system storage set up.

I would love to have this feature too! Since I've had my B1 I've been looking for it, but it's documented as not being supported. There used to be an entry for this in the "vote for firmware" feature link, but I just checked the link and it's currently broken:

http://dune-hd.com/firmware/

I didn't realize that this feature came with BD-lite so I will need to check that out.
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post #7752 of 10092
3/22/12 at 9:27am
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

I am sorry for my ignorance... But I have never once had a BD movie resume where it left off...

I have "Autoresume video files" set to "yes" on mine, not sure if it makes a difference or if it's the fact that I have system storage installed. The auto resume feature works reliably for me as long as I play the ISOs in BD-Lite mode.
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post #7753 of 10092
3/22/12 at 10:55am
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Originally Posted by tightrope View Post


I have "Autoresume video files" set to "yes" on mine, not sure if it makes a difference or if it's the fact that I have system storage installed. The auto resume feature works reliably for me as long as I play the ISOs in BD-Lite mode.

Autoresume video files... That was the ticket! Unfortunately... I am not a big fan of BD-Lite. but more importantly... Neither is my wife!
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post #7754 of 10092
3/22/12 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

Autoresume video files... That was the ticket! Unfortunately... I am not a big fan of BD-Lite. but more importantly... Neither is my wife!

Glad it's working
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post #7755 of 10092
3/22/12 at 11:56am
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

Autoresume video files... That was the ticket! Unfortunately... I am not a big fan of BD-Lite. but more importantly... Neither is my wife!

Yeah, I'm torn because before Dune added the BD-Lite option, some of my movies would not play at all. However, I notice some serious lip-sync issues using BD-Lite.
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post #7756 of 10092
3/22/12 at 2:25pm
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Originally Posted by dropzone7 View Post

Agreed. I have a VP50Pro after my Dune player and it doesn't do a thing for the greenish cast I see by the Dune doing the colorspace conversion. ...

OK, it seems as thought I need to take a real close look at my videos again. I honestly do not see a greenish cast when playing videos on the Dune as compared to playing the original from my Tivo or Blu-Ray player.

What has always bothered me the most about the Dune is that it scales everything and I can tell the difference if I look really closely [the trick is to watch the movie/show and not look that closely]. I've had my projector very carefully calibrated and have never been aware of color issues from the Dune. Could it be that some projectors deal with the signal from the Dune better than others? Just wondering.
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post #7757 of 10092
3/22/12 at 2:33pm
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Originally Posted by Hyrax View Post

What has always bothered me the most about the Dune is that it scales everything and I can tell the difference if I look really closely [the trick is to watch the movie/show and not look that closely]. I've had my projector very carefully calibrated and have never been aware of color issues from the Dune. Could it be that some projectors deal with the signal from the Dune better than others? Just wondering.

I could swear that I watched the test patterns from Spears & Munsil and found the Dune to be pixel perfect, i.e., no scaling. (Not true two years ago; it was off by 1 pixel back then, but they fixed that in a firmware update.)
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post #7758 of 10092
3/23/12 at 9:29am
I have Logitech Harmony 720 remote (still and I love it). I cant find discrete power on/off commands under Media Center PC -> HDI -> DUNE SMART D1 . Is there some other place (device) to look at?
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post #7759 of 10092
3/23/12 at 11:54am
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Originally Posted by ScottJ View Post

I could swear that I watched the test patterns from Spears & Munsil and found the Dune to be pixel perfect, i.e., no scaling. (Not true two years ago; it was off by 1 pixel back then, but they fixed that in a firmware update.)

i remember that discussion, and i think you're talking about a different issue. what you're talking about is the dune manipulating/scaling, even when the resolution of your source matches what you have the output set to. what he's wanting is for the dune to output everything at the resolution it comes in at rather than at a preset "output resolution", even if it is still gonna insist on messing with the colorspace. while not source direct, it'd at least be a step in the right direction.
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post #7760 of 10092
3/23/12 at 1:21pm
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Originally Posted by TODDAVS View Post

I have had a couple shortcuts in my Favorites on the Dune for Zappiti for a long time. They go straight to the "Genre" and "TV Shows" folders of Zappiti.

I finally completed the rebuild of my Zappiti database and everything works perfectly from a common share (as expected).

However when I went to delete my old favorites which pointed to the usb stick, they froze. In other words, when I pulled up the menu and selected "remove from favorites" the dune freezes. Likewise when I got to either of those two folders in the new Zappiti location, and try to add to favorites it freezes up. In both cases I had to flip the power switch and restart. It DID let me add a shortcut to Favorites for the main Zappiti folder, and from there I can go to the TV shows or Genre folders just fine, so it's something corrupted in those old two shortcuts that cant delete or over-write.

Anyone know tricks to solve this? Is the a hard reboot function that should wipe everything out? Other than general settings what else would I loose? I would assume my extended memory etc.. would be unaffected?

Did you ever get anything figured out with this? I had to reformat my USB stick a couple of weeks ago because something was corrupted on there and I couldn't export to it anymore and when I got it reset up my shortcut icons were acting the same way.

I did find that you can rename the folders if you go to the main Zappiti screen and hit menu button for each icon, but can not figure out how to get the icons to show anything other than the generic star.

I asked the same question over on the MPC Zappiti thread but never got a reply. I had kind of given up on it until I was reading through things here and saw your post.
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post #7761 of 10092
3/23/12 at 4:14pm
I just compared the pixel mapping test screen on a bluray DVE through a playstation to a 50" kuro and the DVE iso played through my Dune to the same tv. I'm going to have to repeat the test later on my projector as it didn't look like the 1x1 checkerboard was being reproduced correctly from either source. The two pixel vertical and horizontal line tests from the AVS test disc were perfect so I'm not sure if the fault lies in my tv or both the Dune and the PS3. TV was set to dot by dot and I flipped back and forth between the inputs to compare. The images were identical so both the Dune and the PS3 were sending the same signal to the TV. I'm fairly certain the PS3 will send a perfect signal out so at this point I'm leaning towards the TV not being able to accurately resolve the 1X1 checkerboard. The TV is a Pioneer 5020.

My projector is a better display and will give me an answer. For that, I will use the bluray DVE disc via an Oppo 83 to a JVC RS35 and the Dune streaming an exact copy .iso of that same disc to the RS35.
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post #7762 of 10092
3/23/12 at 6:31pm
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Originally Posted by mrlittlejeans View Post

I just compared the pixel mapping test screen on a bluray DVE through a playstation to a 50" kuro and the DVE iso played through my Dune to the same tv. I'm going to have to repeat the test later on my projector as it didn't look like the 1x1 checkerboard was being reproduced correctly from either source. The two pixel vertical and horizontal line tests from the AVS test disc were perfect so I'm not sure if the fault lies in my tv or both the Dune and the PS3. TV was set to dot by dot and I flipped back and forth between the inputs to compare. The images were identical so both the Dune and the PS3 were sending the same signal to the TV. I'm fairly certain the PS3 will send a perfect signal out so at this point I'm leaning towards the TV not being able to accurately resolve the 1X1 checkerboard. The TV is a Pioneer 5020.

My projector is a better display and will give me an answer. For that, I will use the bluray DVE disc via an Oppo 83 to a JVC RS35 and the Dune streaming an exact copy .iso of that same disc to the RS35.

Both the PS3 and the Dune will display this pattern correctly. You've got something set wrong or your TV and/or receveiver is broken or buggy.
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post #7763 of 10092
3/23/12 at 7:22pm
Yeah. I have a feeling it is the display. Back in the old days when the PS3 first came out, it was my bluray player and I had it hooked into a lumagen HDP into the same receiver it passes through now and into an RS1 and I was able to get 1:1 pixel mapping with no issue. The receiver does no processing to the video signal which leaves only the display. My care factor on this is pretty low though as the tv is in the family room and too small and far away for me to really care about whether it is perfectly pixel mapped.

update: I played with it a bit more and got it to 1:1 pixel mapping. Sean is right, it will display the pattern correctly.
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post #7764 of 10092
3/24/12 at 8:45am
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Did you ever get anything figured out with this? I had to reformat my USB stick a couple of weeks ago because something was corrupted on there and I couldn't export to it anymore and when I got it reset up my shortcut icons were acting the same way.

I did find that you can rename the folders if you go to the main Zappiti screen and hit menu button for each icon, but can not figure out how to get the icons to show anything other than the generic star.

I asked the same question over on the MPC Zappiti thread but never got a reply. I had kind of given up on it until I was reading through things here and saw your post.

At the moment I am limited to weekends to work on this stuff and as of this AM I am dealing with. HD failure . So I haven't really looked at it again yet.

Hope to find to end time to look at it tomorrow or it will be next weekend. Let's stay in touch since we are dealing with the same problem, maybe we can figure it out.
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post #7765 of 10092
3/24/12 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by mrkeeling View Post

I have Logitech Harmony 720 remote (still and I love it). I cant find discrete power on/off commands under Media Center PC -> HDI -> DUNE SMART D1 . Is there some other place (device) to look at?

So I went through all Dune models in Harmony database. NONE of smart series models and HD Max and HD Duo has discrete power ON, discrete power OFF commands in the database. The only one that has them is Base 3.0.
I guess that this commands for Base 3.0 would work with all other Dunes, but that means adding a device and than redoing all my activities that involve dune - which I really do not want to go through.

If any of you guys know an easy way to add the commands to the database for Smart series, please do so. I tried contacting Harmony CS, but they say my support time is long gone and I would need to pay for them to enter hex codes in the database.
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post #7766 of 10092
3/24/12 at 9:38pm
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Originally Posted by Mike StealthMode View Post

just a FYI for the people who were on the back order list.

Sorry Mike, but not with those HIGH prices. The media streamer market got greedy and is now trying to suck as much money as they can out of the consumers before they all go belly up. They don't deserve our money now. I won't give in to hiking up prices just for no reason.
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post #7767 of 10092
3/24/12 at 10:08pm
If the companies don't charge enough to make a decent profit and pay for new development and quality employees then they are sure to go belly up.

When you look at the cost of Dune players compared with the products that the CI folks sell you will understand what a good deal the Dune is.

I have four locations setup with Dune players, using Netgear NAS units for storage, everything tied into my HA system and the whole setup is working better then I ever hoped, considering the price.

The "CI grade" system I was looking at was going to be many, many times more expensive.
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post #7768 of 10092
3/25/12 at 6:18am
Yeah. I don't consider the prices expensive for a media player that works.
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post #7769 of 10092
3/25/12 at 6:50am
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Originally Posted by mrlittlejeans View Post

yeah. I don't consider the prices expensive for a media player that works.

++1
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post #7770 of 10092
3/25/12 at 7:13am
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Originally Posted by mrkeeling View Post

So I went through all Dune models in Harmony database. NONE of smart series models and HD Max and HD Duo has discrete power ON, discrete power OFF commands in the database. The only one that has them is Base 3.0.
I guess that this commands for Base 3.0 would work with all other Dunes, but that means adding a device and than redoing all my activities that involve dune – which I really do not want to go through.

If any of you guys know an easy way to add the commands to the database for Smart series, please do so. I tried contacting Harmony CS, but they say my support time is long gone and I would need to pay for them to enter hex codes in the database.

My Dune Smart has working discrete codes built into the harmony database on my 890. I've tested and confirmed they work great so my experience does not match yours. I just set mine up about 3 weeks ago.

and BTW: Nor do I consider the price high considering the non working competition.
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