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post #8671 of 10092
8/24/12 at 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by maxleung View Post

It seems to me that dropzone's problems with IO errors/buffer under run points to a problem with his hdd, the hdd enclosure, or the USB cable and/or interface. USB enclosures can be extremely cheaply made with bad controllers on them, and the USB connectors can become flaky from bad solder joints. He should try a different enclosure from a different brand and see if the errors disappear. On mpcclub I have read that people often resolve the problem by replacing the controller or the cable.
The Dune's USB ports could also be dying....
It would also be prudent to attach the enclosure with drive to a PC and run a SMART diagnostic to check for interface and hdd errors.
I thought he had tried a different enclosure and/or hard drive? If not, ans we all missed that part of the equation, EXCELLENT idea..
Try the same movie on a different hard drive/ and or enclosure/ usb cable and see if THAT is the culprit.
On my neotv550 I sometimes had problems with usb POWERED hubs and it recognizing drives. So on a whim I tried a non powered $1.99 POS meritline 4 port hub and it has worked flawlessly ever since with three drives attached to it. Go figure...
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post #8672 of 10092
8/24/12 at 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

It is very tempting to go the SSD way, just not sure I want to deal with the syncing among 3 Dunes

That is the reason I stopped using the SSD and went with 10muse. Now I can control all my Dunes with one iPad and only have to deal with one index.
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post #8673 of 10092
8/24/12 at 2:24pm
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Originally Posted by maxleung View Post

It seems to me that dropzone's problems with IO errors/buffer under run points to a problem with his hdd, the hdd enclosure, or the USB cable and/or interface. . .

It would also be prudent to attach the enclosure with drive to a PC and run a SMART diagnostic to check for interface and hdd errors.
I was thinking the same thing, because I had a similar problem.

I was running from a Synology NAS to a MediaGate MG350HD, and it had worked fine for years. All of a sudden, I started getting intermittent freezes, where I had to power-cycle the MediaGate. I swaped to another MG350HD, and it had the same problem. I went to a MG35, and it also did it. When I then went to the Neo550, and it did it as well, I thought "it must be something else".

The Synology never reported an error. But I ran the SMART diagnostics on each of the drives, and it reported one drive as bad, although I never had any errors from it. I replaced it, and the problems went away.

My suspicion is that the drive spent so much time recovering from a read-error that the buffer under-ran. The data was recovered, so no errors were reported, but the SMART diagnostics reported over a million recovered read errors, and said, in no uncertain terms, that the drive needed to be replaced. I now have a lot more respect for SMART diagnostics.
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post #8674 of 10092
8/24/12 at 3:12pm
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

It is very tempting to go the SSD way, just not sure I want to deal with the syncing among 3 Dunes

I tried the various juke-box programs when I got my first Dune. I found that my old eyes couldn't identify lots of movies based on the cover art. So I investigated using just a text based index and found that I liked that a lot better - at least I could read all titles - and it was fast.

So with a little bit of work I wrote my own program to create a text based index.

Now with four Dunes I like that fact that I can have just the one index on the NAS unit where the movies are stored. And since it is text based there are no issues with speed accessing the index over the network.
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post #8675 of 10092
8/25/12 at 7:59am
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

That is the reason I stopped using the SSD and went with 10muse. Now I can control all my Dunes with one iPad and only have to deal with one index.

This is where I am now whether I'm using 10Muse or MyMovies. I have both. The only problem is that the iPad is with me and doesn't help others in the household who might not have access to it when they want it. So I still need access to an index on the Dune through MyMovies. But absent that, the iPad applications are a superior solution.

Louis
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post #8676 of 10092
8/25/12 at 8:23am
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

That is the reason I stopped using the SSD and went with 10muse. Now I can control all my Dunes with one iPad and only have to deal with one index.

Dude, I tried setting up 10muse, and I wasn't able to do it...but then again I only spent like 15 min. trying to get it to run, and I just got frustrated. I might give it another try if I end up buying some iPads.biggrin.gif
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post #8677 of 10092
8/25/12 at 8:25am
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Dude, I tried setting up 10muse, and I wasn't able to do it...but then again I only spent like 15 min. trying to get it to run, and I just got frustrated. I might give it another try if I end up buying some iPads.biggrin.gif

Spoke with the 10Muse developers, hope to have my guide up by the end of the week. Of course it would great if Android was supported as well
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post #8678 of 10092
8/25/12 at 8:34am
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Dude, I tried setting up 10muse, and I wasn't able to do it...but then again I only spent like 15 min. trying to get it to run, and I just got frustrated. I might give it another try if I end up buying some iPads.biggrin.gif

With a couple of exceptions I'm a 10Muse convert from My Movies. The exception is it doesn't provide a Dune based index, which is sometimes needed and - more importantly to me - there is no mechanism to filter out watched movies/shows. Other than that I find it easier to maintain the database than My Movies. If I didn't already have My Movies installed I probably would have started with 10Muse.

Louis
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post #8679 of 10092
8/25/12 at 8:35am
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Spoke with the 10Muse developers, hope to have my guide up by the end of the week. Of course it would great if Android was supported as well

Damian,

That would be awesome since my two cell phones are Android based, but my kids and wife want iPads now after playing around with one.....rolleyes.gif
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post #8680 of 10092
8/25/12 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Damian,
That would be awesome since my two cell phones are Android based, but my kids and wife want iPads now after playing around with one.....rolleyes.gif

My two boys have commandeered the 2 iPads we have. However, I love and prefer my Asus Transformer tablet, and my wife is really enjoying the Nexus 7. I will keep bugging the devs for Android support though biggrin.gif
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post #8681 of 10092
8/25/12 at 4:23pm
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

My two boys have commandeered the 2 iPads we have. However, I love and prefer my Asus Transformer tablet, and my wife is really enjoying the Nexus 7. I will keep bugging the devs for Android support though biggrin.gif

That would be awesome thank you.
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post #8682 of 10092
8/26/12 at 8:11am
Damian, ask them if they will make a Dune index so we can replace my movies and use onscreen or ipad.

Thanks
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post #8683 of 10092
8/27/12 at 6:12am
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Originally Posted by Jon Spackman View Post

Damian, ask them if they will make a Dune index so we can replace my movies and use onscreen or ipad.
Thanks

Will do
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post #8684 of 10092
8/27/12 at 6:54am
ask them also to lower their pricing biggrin.gif
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post #8685 of 10092
8/27/12 at 6:55am
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ask them also to lower their pricing biggrin.gif

There might be something done to coincide with my writeup wink.gif
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post #8686 of 10092
8/27/12 at 6:59am
i will keep a close look to your test when it's published wink.gif
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post #8687 of 10092
8/27/12 at 9:07am
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Originally Posted by Jon Spackman View Post

Damian, ask them if they will make a Dune index so we can replace my movies and use onscreen or ipad.
Thanks

+1
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post #8688 of 10092
8/27/12 at 9:29am
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Originally Posted by Jon Spackman View Post

Damian, ask them if they will make a Dune index so we can replace my movies and use onscreen or ipad.
Thanks

+1

+1

 

I have been using MyMovies for years with my HTPC, where the MyMovies team continuously improved their products for the PC platform. Unfortunately, its developers seem to spend very little love for the Dune, so I have started looking for alternatives again.

 

I would prefer an index/onscreen solution for the dune, rather than a standalone, which could be difficult to integrate with my iRule HT automation setup with iPads, iPods, android devices.

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Axel

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post #8689 of 10092
8/27/12 at 11:45pm
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

My two boys have commandeered the 2 iPads we have. However, I love and prefer my Asus Transformer tablet, and my wife is really enjoying the Nexus 7. I will keep bugging the devs for Android support though biggrin.gif

you didn't try Dune Media Controller + any other dune jukebox ? DMC is free for Android, works with MM/Zapp/Yadis and is very nice. I think Babachan (the guy behind it) even made a special functionality to use it as a music jukebox.
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post #8690 of 10092
8/28/12 at 1:43am
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Originally Posted by Mr Eric View Post

you didn't try Dune Media Controller + any other dune jukebox ? DMC is free for Android, works with MM/Zapp/Yadis and is very nice. I think Babachan (the guy behind it) even made a special functionality to use it as a music jukebox.

I have tried, but I found it loaded way too slow. Maybe that has been improved since I tried it, but it completely defeated the purpose of controlling via a tablet/phone at the time for me.
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post #8691 of 10092
8/28/12 at 1:54am
I think that the best way to use it is to put the index on a sd card (if your tablet has a sd card slot, like the galaxy tab for example) an read it from there, this should improve a lot the browsing speed.
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post #8692 of 10092
8/28/12 at 2:14am
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Originally Posted by Mr Eric View Post

I think that the best way to use it is to put the index on a sd card (if your tablet has a sd card slot, like the galaxy tab for example) an read it from there, this should improve a lot the browsing speed.

I am not sure how that would help. My zappiti index is stored on my server, not on individual attached storage. Also, as having multiple dunes and multiple tablets i dont want to spend time trying to figure out what devices are updated, etc...

10muse is great because you update the jukebox, spit it out to dropbox, and any device (onlu ipads now unfortunately) can easily sync up.

I know everyones needs will be different. For me with a wife and 2 boys, and being away from home 14+ hours a day, it is about simplicity and convenience as much as possible
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post #8693 of 10092
8/28/12 at 2:23am
ok I understand, using SD card is easier if you only have 1 tablet as you just need to copy/paste your index to the sd and then insert it in your tablet. Of course local storage is faster to browse than network.

I tried DMC may be 6 months ago with my index over the network and found it quite slow too. Never had the opportunity to test the SD card trick.

Is there a lite free version of 10muse to make a test on the iPad ? I would like to try it.

Also : looking at MyMovies latest update, they seem ready to add the TV series management to their iPad App. I hope it will be released soon and then I will certainly go the 100% ipad route (no more index stored on the dune).
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post #8694 of 10092
8/28/12 at 6:28am
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Originally Posted by Mr Eric View Post

ok I understand, using SD card is easier if you only have 1 tablet as you just need to copy/paste your index to the sd and then insert it in your tablet. Of course local storage is faster to browse than network.
I tried DMC may be 6 months ago with my index over the network and found it quite slow too. Never had the opportunity to test the SD card trick.
Is there a lite free version of 10muse to make a test on the iPad ? I would like to try it.
Also : looking at MyMovies latest update, they seem ready to add the TV series management to their iPad App. I hope it will be released soon and then I will certainly go the 100% ipad route (no more index stored on the dune).

Just waiting for that one jukebox to rule them all biggrin.gif

10Muse has a free version (I think you get full functionality for something like 10 movies)

Agreed as well with My Movies, I have had that running for a long time, would be nice to finally see TV Show support brought to the Dune via tablet (and even better since My Movies supports both iOS and Android which I have both)
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post #8695 of 10092
8/28/12 at 7:15am
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I was thinking the same thing, because I had a similar problem.
I was running from a Synology NAS to a MediaGate MG350HD, and it had worked fine for years. All of a sudden, I started getting intermittent freezes, where I had to power-cycle the MediaGate. I swaped to another MG350HD, and it had the same problem. I went to a MG35, and it also did it. When I then went to the Neo550, and it did it as well, I thought "it must be something else".
The Synology never reported an error. But I ran the SMART diagnostics on each of the drives, and it reported one drive as bad, although I never had any errors from it. I replaced it, and the problems went away.
My suspicion is that the drive spent so much time recovering from a read-error that the buffer under-ran. The data was recovered, so no errors were reported, but the SMART diagnostics reported over a million recovered read errors, and said, in no uncertain terms, that the drive needed to be replaced. I now have a lot more respect for SMART diagnostics.

Well, I did a little testing last night using a known problem movie, "Sucker Punch". This one typically gives me an I/O error and aborts playback before I can make it through the whole movie. Running it in BD-lite mode gives the buffer underrun errors and usually hiccups at the same points every time. I took this BD-ISO and copied it to a different drive (external USB) and then tried playing it from that. Same issues. Then I tried turning that BD-ISO into an MKV file. That played just fine. What now?

By the way, all of my drives are currently in a Mediasonic enclosure and were pulled from my WHS machine when I abandoned it. I have run scans on all of these drives and they checked out okay. I do plan to format them all once they get moved into an unraid setup.
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post #8696 of 10092
8/28/12 at 9:11am
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Well, I did a little testing last night using a known problem movie, "Sucker Punch". This one typically gives me an I/O error and aborts playback before I can make it through the whole movie. Running it in BD-lite mode gives the buffer underrun errors and usually hiccups at the same points every time. I took this BD-ISO and copied it to a different drive (external USB) and then tried playing it from that. Same issues. Then I tried turning that BD-ISO into an MKV file. That played just fine. What now?
By the way, all of my drives are currently in a Mediasonic enclosure and were pulled from my WHS machine when I abandoned it. I have run scans on all of these drives and they checked out okay. I do plan to format them all once they get moved into an unraid setup.

Dropzone7,

I've never had any issues with my Dune D1 until last night. I usually rip my movies to main movie only as M2TS file. However, this weekend I was at blockbuster and they gave me a good deal on the Star Wars Trilogies movies. I though I was going to get 6 separate BD for each movie, but I only got 2 BD disks. Each disk containing 3 movies.

I didn't want to mess around trying to find the correct play list for each movie. So, I just made a 1:1 ISO file for each disk. Total space 97 GB eek.gif Well, last night, I decided to play the first disk. The graphics and sound were just so AWESOME. My 7.1 surround sound was just great. Then, 25 min. in to the movie..........LOST SOUND....just like my PCH-A300 did when I owned it.

Needless to say I was PISSED! If my 3 yr son wouldn't have said, "Daddy lets go mimis," I would of grabbed the D1 to throw it to the dogs! So, it appears that I will have to rip them as individual main movie M2TS now.
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post #8697 of 10092
8/28/12 at 9:14am
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Dropzone7,
I've never had any issues with my Dune D1 until last night. I usually rip my movies to main movie only as M2TS file. However, this weekend I was at blockbuster and they gave me a good deal on the Star Wars Trilogies movies. I though I was going to get 6 separate BD for each movie, but I only got 2 BD disks. Each disk containing 3 movies.
I didn't want to mess around trying to find the correct play list for each movie. So, I just made a 1:1 ISO file for each disk. Total space 97 GB eek.gif Well, last night, I decided to play the first disk. The graphics and sound were just so AWESOME. My 7.1 surround sound was just great. Then, 25 min. in to the movie..........LOST SOUND....just like my PCH-A300 did when I owned it.
Needless to say I was PISSED! If my 3 yr son wouldn't have said, "Daddy lets go mimis," I would of grabbed the D1 to throw it to the dogs! So, it appears that I will have to rip them as individual main movie M2TS now.

I wonder if the excessively large ISO is what is causing the issue?
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post #8698 of 10092
8/28/12 at 9:18am
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

I have tried, but I found it loaded way too slow. Maybe that has been improved since I tried it, but it completely defeated the purpose of controlling via a tablet/phone at the time for me.

I've tried it, and it is to slow. It gets a little bit faster once it loads all the movies, but even my kids complained how slow it was in my Atrix 2 phone.
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I am not sure how that would help. My zappiti index is stored on my server, not on individual attached storage. Also, as having multiple dunes and multiple tablets i dont want to spend time trying to figure out what devices are updated, etc...
10muse is great because you update the jukebox, spit it out to dropbox, and any device (onlu ipads now unfortunately) can easily sync up.
I know everyones needs will be different. For me with a wife and 2 boys, and being away from home 14+ hours a day, it is about simplicity and convenience as much as possible

I wish 10muse supported Android....in the near future may be!
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8/28/12 at 9:22am
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I wonder if the excessively large ISO is what is causing the issue?

It was 97 GB adding both file together, each file is only 48.5 GB, which is the largest file in my collection.
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post #8700 of 10092
8/28/12 at 9:37am
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

I wonder if the excessively large ISO is what is causing the issue?

Good question. My BD-ISO of "Sucker Punch" was 42GB. My MKV, main movie only with high def audio is about 26GB.

Gus, I ripped all of my Star Wars BD's as full BD-ISO and all of them EXCEPT for "Attack of the Clones" plays fine. AOTC only plays in BD-Lite mode.
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