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post #8761 of 10092
9/7/12 at 2:12pm
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Thanks a bunch!
Ok, so I downloaded all that ZIP files – what now? (I never used Dune for anything else but playing videos and photos, so no experience whatsoever with pluggins).
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Don't unzip them. Put them somewhere accessible by the Dune (USB stick, NAS, wherever). Navigate to each in the Dune interface and select them one by one.
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post #8762 of 10092
9/7/12 at 2:20pm
No new Dune hardware was shown at Cedia 2012 this week and sigma8910 is still a no-show
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post #8763 of 10092
9/7/12 at 2:57pm
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Originally Posted by mlknez View Post

No new Dune hardware was shown at Cedia 2012 this week and sigma8910 is still a no-show

Least we saw the 8911 from pch. and if the its exclusive to pch till then end of 2012 is true it makes since why dune did not show one hopefully.
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post #8764 of 10092
9/7/12 at 11:14pm
I have come across a strange problem with a few TV Series in Zappiti and hoping someone here has seen it or may know how to fix.

I am on version 2.4.27 and have been holding off on upgrading to 2.5.X for a bit to see how things go.

I recently added a few TV series. Some of them work fine, but in a couple of the series SOME of the episodes don't export correctly. The main folder is fine, and all the seasons show up. But inside some of the individual season folders, some of the episodes only have the image of a folder instead of the photo, and the links for those episodes don't work. The episodes that show up correctly work fine. Everything shows up and is functional from the Zappiti software interface on my PC, but not on the Dune. I have deleted those entire series, updated the database to remove them, then re-scrapped, with no luck.

Anyone seen this or have any ideas how to solve?

Thanks for any help.
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post #8765 of 10092
9/8/12 at 8:35am
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Originally Posted by ScottJ View Post

Don't unzip them. Put them somewhere accessible by the Dune (USB stick, NAS, wherever). Navigate to each in the Dune interface and select them one by one.
Thanks, worked perfectly. My home screen is nice and clean again.biggrin.gif
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post #8766 of 10092
9/9/12 at 7:19am
Just recieved my dune smart d1 and i love it already. Just the passthrough ability of DTS-MA was enough to sell me. smile.gif. ( i had a wdtv previously)
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post #8767 of 10092
9/9/12 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by bosoxfan View Post

Just recieved my dune smart d1 and i love it already. Just the passthrough ability of DTS-MA was enough to sell me. smile.gif. ( i had a wdtv previously)

Glad you are happy.

I have four of them and they just work. When I first started out this was all rather new and "cutting edge" stuff. Every time I went to play a movie I crossed my fingers and hoped that it would work. Now it has become routine - I pick a movie and play it.
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post #8768 of 10092
9/9/12 at 8:53am
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Just recieved my dune smart d1 and i love it already. Just the passthrough ability of DTS-MA was enough to sell me. smile.gif. ( i had a wdtv previously)

Glad you are happy.

I have four of them and they just work. When I first started out this was all rather new and "cutting edge" stuff. Every time I went to play a movie I crossed my fingers and hoped that it would work. Now it has become routine - I pick a movie and play it.

^ My experience also. Best CE device I've purchased in years.
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post #8769 of 10092
9/9/12 at 2:16pm
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Originally Posted by TODDAVS View Post

I have come across a strange problem with a few TV Series in Zappiti and hoping someone here has seen it or may know how to fix.

I am on version 2.4.27 and have been holding off on upgrading to 2.5.X for a bit to see how things go.

I recently added a few TV series. Some of them work fine, but in a couple of the series SOME of the episodes don't export correctly. The main folder is fine, and all the seasons show up. But inside some of the individual season folders, some of the episodes only have the image of a folder instead of the photo, and the links for those episodes don't work. The episodes that show up correctly work fine. Everything shows up and is functional from the Zappiti software interface on my PC, but not on the Dune. I have deleted those entire series, updated the database to remove them, then re-scrapped, with no luck.

Anyone seen this or have any ideas how to solve?

Thanks for any help.

Interestingly enough, upgrading to 2.5.7 solved this problem. Now I just have to re-register as I built a new pc yesterday and this was a clean install.
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post #8770 of 10092
9/10/12 at 7:31am
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But... a NAS can have disk failure tolerance that's not common in PC's.
A common NAS setup is four hard drives- three store actual data- the fourth drive is for parity. If any one drive fails- you simply replace it with a fresh drive and the array automatically rebuilds with all your data intact.
Most NAS's are headless too.. throw them in a closet- no monitor, mouse or keyboard needed- just WOL to start them or push the power button- elegant simplicity!


That's RAID5, which PCs can do too (and were long before consumer NAS became common)

PCs have also been able to run headless forever if you want... so neither's at all unique to a NAS... which makes sense since a NAS is just a limited-use PC really.

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Not exactly.

No, exactly.

It's a processor, some storage, and an OS. Just the NAS is a much more limited one in all cases.

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Why would I need to move them - I rip to the NAS.

Your NAS has an optical and software to rip movies?

Because if not, you're ripping them on the PC and moving them to the NAS. (even if it never touches the PC drives on the way)

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Originally Posted by fcwilt View Post

Fire up all four of your players and see what happens.


I don't have any need for 4 players (if we're not counting the PC as a player) but even if I did it wouldn't make any difference... the PC certainly has a lot more powerful hardware than the NAS does (unless it's a lot more expensive than a consumer level NAS- but if that's the case I get to compare it to a much more expensive than consumer level PC).


A NAS isn't magic. It's a very limited-feature file server... versus a PC which is a broad-featured file server.

(granted, if you're comparing a nice NAS to some dude who hooks a cheap USB drive to a generic windows emachine PC, the NAS will look pretty good... but compare to a properly configured PC with RAIDed drives attached via a fast interface and that's a whole other story)
Edited by Kurtz9 - 9/10/12 at 9:27am
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post #8771 of 10092
9/10/12 at 8:49am
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No, exactly...

Interesting world you live in.
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post #8772 of 10092
9/10/12 at 8:57am
I think that your argument is a bit OT. Isn't it ?
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post #8773 of 10092
9/10/12 at 4:12pm
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Originally Posted by isisyodin View Post

+1 for Synology. I use their DS1511+. It works great with my Dune. I will be expanding it soon with the DX510 for an additional 15TB of space (minus the redundancy drive).

I'm running the DS1511+ as well and so far it's a dream. The apps from Synology work pretty well too. Haven't had any issues streaming blu-ray to the Dune yet.
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post #8774 of 10092
9/10/12 at 4:44pm
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+1 for Synology. I use their DS1511+. It works great with my Dune. I will be expanding it soon with the DX510 for an additional 15TB of space (minus the redundancy drive).

I'm running the DS1511+ as well and so far it's a dream. The apps from Synology work pretty well too. Haven't had any issues streaming blu-ray to the Dune yet.

I have heard good things about synology, but seems pricy to me. I went with unRAID and have been very pleased. I am sure Synology much more plug and play than unRAID is. No issues with the Dune and unRAiD other than I couldn't ever get NFS to work.

I like unRAID because I could start with an unused PC only investing in drives, and build as I went. Of course.... At 10 drives and 14Tb of space I really don't want to know what I have spent to date smile.gif.
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post #8775 of 10092
9/11/12 at 1:59am
The 8910/8911 does not at this time support BDJ that is required to do BD ISO. The PCH is a "A" series, not a "C". The "A" series has no BD Menu support. One of the main features of the Dune is full BD menu support, and if that is not possible with the 891X series, we will just have to wait and see.

There is no doubt there are good things to come from Dune.

;-)
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post #8776 of 10092
9/11/12 at 2:50am
BDJ, ISO and BD menu doesn't have anything to do with the chipset. A400 will read BD ISO (lite mode) but won't be able to display the menus as well as BDJ interactivity because of Cinavia (menu + BDJ = BR full licence = Cinavia = dead media player). C serie from PCH exists only because it has a full BR licence, but this type of player is now dead because of Cinavia, so there's no need for a C400 simply because it won't be able to do more than a A400. And this will apply to any new player from any brand, until someone (Slysoft ?) finds a way to circumvent Cinavia.

Apparently the idea for the Dune Pro was to implement 8910/11 + a simple chipset for full BR disc compatibility. But this was ruled out after testing.
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post #8777 of 10092
9/11/12 at 6:36am
I'm thinking about buying 3-4 more D1's to guard against future players not handling ISO's or Bluray folders. I've become lazy in my ripping and have been ripping to bluray folders or ISO for a while now and don't want to rerip to mkv.
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post #8778 of 10092
9/11/12 at 6:38am
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Originally Posted by mrlittlejeans View Post

I'm thinking about buying 3-4 more D1's to guard against future players not handling ISO's or Bluray folders. I've become lazy in my ripping and have been ripping to bluray folders or ISO for a while now and don't want to rerip to mkv.

I don't think there is a concern about handling ISOs/Blu ray folders. The issue is really only applicable to those who rip full disc rips
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post #8779 of 10092
9/11/12 at 6:43am
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I don't think there is a concern about handling ISOs/Blu ray folders. The issue is really only applicable to those who rip full disc rips

Yeah. That's what I meant about being lazy. Ripping to full disk is so easy and I never have to worry about forced subtitles.
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post #8780 of 10092
9/11/12 at 2:09pm
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Originally Posted by Mr Eric View Post

. . . A400 will read BD ISO (lite mode) but won't be able to display the menus as well as BDJ interactivity because of Cinavia
(menu + BDJ = BR full licence = Cinavia = dead media player).
I think the above equation only appears to be true. I don't believe you need a Blu-Ray license to implement Blu-Ray menus. It's just that, as of yet, nobody has been able to generate the code to implement the menus without BDA support.

Look at the NeoTV-550: Full Blu_ray menus, yet no BDA license. They intended to get a BDA license, and therefore was able to get the code, but failed to get the license. The BDA did not force them to remove the menus.

I understand that the VLC people are trying to implement open-source Blu-Ray menus. If that happens, I suspect you will see many players with menus but no BDA license and no Cinavia.
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post #8781 of 10092
9/11/12 at 2:39pm
Vlc is effectively involved in an open source BR project, but they are currently facing a big problem : to be able to read a BR you need to have the aacs key, to have it you need a BR license and they can't use (pay for) a license because they are open source... Without the aacs there's nothing you can do except using "lite mode" where in fact you just bypass the menus and need for an aacs key and simply read the m2ts stream.
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post #8782 of 10092
9/11/12 at 3:06pm
Hi Eric,
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. . . Without the aacs there's nothing you can do except using "lite mode" where in fact you just bypass the menus and need for an aacs key and simply read the m2ts stream.
Not having the AACS keys does not force you into "lite" mode.

The AACS key and the menus are not at all related. Sure, VLC would need the AACS key if they wanted to play a Blu-Ray disc directly, but if you have a Blu-Ray ISO that was ripped with a program like AnyDVD or DVDfab, then the AACS key is not needed, and VLC could play them with or without menus. Displaying the menus and decoding using AACS are two completely different things.

Again, I will reluctantly hold up the Neo as an example: No AACS keys, yet full Blu-Ray menus.
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post #8783 of 10092
9/11/12 at 3:14pm
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Vlc is effectively involved in an open source BR project, but they are currently facing a big problem : to be able to read a BR you need to have the aacs key, to have it you need a BR license and they can't use (pay for) a license because they are open source... Without the aacs there's nothing you can do except using "lite mode" where in fact you just bypass the menus and need for an aacs key and simply read the m2ts stream.

Eric, I would like to step in to make sure that readers of the forum don't misunderstand the current situation.

VLC is supporting a open source Blu-ray project called libbluray [ http://www.videolan.org/developers/libbluray.html ]

They can already read an unprotected Blu-ray which is basically ISO with AACS and other protection removed. Menu functionality is also available in that case except where BD-J is involved [ http://www.anandtech.com/show/5461/vlc-hack-for-encrypted-bluray-playback-capability ].

In the above article, I also suggest a way wherein one can use a AACS key obtained from a 'random' server on the net and then use VLC to play back a protected Blu-ray.

The AACS decryption process is available for everyone to see. It is the keys which are difficult to obtain.

So, the nett thing is : You can have AACS and still do lite / You don't need AACS and you can still do menus like the PCH A-300.

AACS and menu functionality are orthogonal aspects.

That said, BD-J specifications are still not public. (Note that BD-J and AACS are completely different licenses). Therefore, VLC is finding it difficult to present menus of Blu-rays which need BD-J.

Hope things are clear smile.gif
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post #8784 of 10092
9/12/12 at 1:28am
thanks for the update and clarification wink.gif

It seems that you go much more into details than your french counterparts, even if VLC is French and even if they asked the French authorities to clarify the situation regarding AACS and interoperability (i.e. being able to play a BR on Linux with VLC for example).

My understanding from the french articles I've read was that VLC was asking the source code for AACS (and BD+) to be able to decompile it and use their own key to read anything including AACS on any platform (interoperability). They had a meeting last week with the authorities to force AACS LA to give them the source code stating that interoperability is written in the french law and that no DRM should make it impossible to do (assuming that VLC will keep secret the solution they found). The problem wasn't if they can/can't circumvent the various DRM in a BR or be able or not to play menus (I'm pretty sure they are cleaver enough to already have a solution), but that they wanted this to be 100% legal and you can't be 100% legal without forcing AACS LA to give the source code (of course, this should be enforced by the authorities as you can imagine that AACS LA is not ready at all to give it to anyone biggrin.gif)

AACS LA line of defense was very simple : we're not a software, so we don't have to be interoperable. End of the story. They sent a memo to the french authorities defending this position, memo that wasn't exposed to the public, and even not to VLC (so they couldn't answer back with their own arguments !!!). Now we're are waiting for a clear answer : is AACS a software so it has to be interoperable and VLC will have the source code (and will decompile it, offering a 100% working and free BR player), or if it's not a software the case will be closed and VLC will never be a free BR player unless you find out some tricks "not so much legal"...TBH I won't bet 1 cent on VLC victory frown.gif And what if they win ? I guess that being open source and free project VLC will be used by everyone and tweaked to run on any media player and will save some licensing $ that Dune, PCH and others are paying to the BDA today.
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post #8785 of 10092
9/12/12 at 2:31am
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thanks for the update and clarification wink.gif
It seems that you go much more into details than your french counterparts, even if VLC is French and even if they asked the French authorities to clarify the situation regarding AACS and interoperability (i.e. being able to play a BR on Linux with VLC for example).
My understanding from the french articles I've read was that VLC was asking the source code for AACS (and BD+) to be able to decompile it and use their own key to read anything including AACS on any platform (interoperability). They had a meeting last week with the authorities to force AACS LA to give them the source code stating that interoperability is written in the french law and that no DRM should make it impossible to do (assuming that VLC will keep secret the solution they found). The problem wasn't if they can/can't circumvent the various DRM in a BR or be able or not to play menus (I'm pretty sure they are cleaver enough to already have a solution), but that they wanted this to be 100% legal and you can't be 100% legal without forcing AACS LA to give the source code (of course, this should be enforced by the authorities as you can imagine that AACS LA is not ready at all to give it to anyone biggrin.gif)
AACS LA line of defense was very simple : we're not a software, so we don't have to be interoperable. End of the story. They sent a memo to the french authorities defending this position, memo that wasn't exposed to the public, and even not to VLC (so they couldn't answer back with their own arguments !!!). Now we're are waiting for a clear answer : is AACS a software so it has to be interoperable and VLC will have the source code (and will decompile it, offering a 100% working and free BR player), or if it's not a software the case will be closed and VLC will never be a free BR player unless you find out some tricks "not so much legal"...TBH I won't bet 1 cent on VLC victory frown.gif And what if they win ? I guess that being open source and free project VLC will be used by everyone and tweaked to run on any media player and will save some licensing $ that Dune, PCH and others are paying to the BDA today.

Interesting. These are recent developments that I am not aware of, but they don't change what I wrote in the post above. I will ping my VLC contacts about this smile.gif

I would have preferred VLC go after BD-J specifications instead of AACS. AnyDVD HD and DVD Fab already do a great job of removing AACS, and once that is gone, we just need a free software library to be able to do full menus with BD-J and all the bells and whistles.
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post #8786 of 10092
9/12/12 at 3:24am
I think that the VLC motivations are not so technical but purely legal, they want to prove that the law is on their side and that they can legally break any DRM if it's needed to make it interoperable. I guess they really want to force AACS and BD+ to give them the possibility to use their DRM in an open source project. French law should give them the possibility to do it, but this is not clear and has to be ruled out by the authorities. Apparently there will be an official commission that will hear all involved parts in this (on an international level) and will do an extensive research on the subject for the next 40 days before giving an answer.

But indeed, it doesn't change anything and your explanation was very clear wink.gif

it seems that some VLC guys went mad about the fact that the AACS memo wasn't disclosed even to them, making much more difficult for VLC to counter attack. if you can have some insider news about that, I will be interested in knowing what is going to happen now...

But i think we're completely OT biggrin.gif
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post #8787 of 10092
9/12/12 at 12:53pm
Thanks, Eric and Ganesh. Those last four posts were very enlightening.

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I think that the VLC motivations are not so technical but purely legal . . .
I suspect you are correct.

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But i think we're completely OT biggrin.gif
You are probably correct there as well. biggrin.gif

Thanks, anyway.
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post #8788 of 10092
9/12/12 at 3:02pm
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But i think we're completely OT biggrin.gif

You think? I almost forgot this was a Dune thread...
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post #8789 of 10092
9/12/12 at 3:27pm
we're end 2012, why should we keep speaking about old 2010 hardware ? tongue.gif
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post #8790 of 10092
9/12/12 at 4:28pm
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we're end 2012, why should we keep speaking about old 2010 hardware ? tongue.gif

Fair enough, maybe a mod can close this thread then.
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