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post #9181 of 10788
Never used Plex but maybe this plugin is of interest.

http://www.mpcclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30249
post #9182 of 10788
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Originally Posted by Mr Eric View Post

so it's only working on upnp ? And you need a PC behind to run Plex as server ?
Pretty useless if true...

That is how plex works, If you think about it, its not much different then 10muse, Doesnt 10muse still need the PC software running or do you only need to run it when you add new content? and instead of send out http stream which is what upnp is, 10muse uses the dune mount/play commands to play over samba,

I only use HTTP streams for 99% of all my media playing, It takes the path work out of making sure all my boxes have the right paths, Almost all media players support HTTP paths, and adding external remotes via UPNP makes it a breeze to use a simple android running bubbleupnp to control every media player in my house. Only downside is not every device supports external subtitles over HTTP, but with MKV being the norm all subs are internal now anyways.
post #9183 of 10788
no, 10muse (I tried it last night and I'm not convinced at all...) is working like any other dune jukebox : you just turn on your pc to scrap and build the index when needed, then turn it off and use 10muse on your ipad (of course, this is a short version biggrin.gif)

Same thing than the Zappiti or MyMovies apps. Or yadis/DFI/Yamj for dune. You don't need any PC on when watching something on your dune.

TBH, any software that will ask me to turn on my PC while watching is a no-go for me...If I wanted to have the PC On, I would have built a HTPC rolleyes.gif
Edited by Mr Eric - 12/7/12 at 1:58am
post #9184 of 10788
Dont you have a NAS that your media sits on? My NAS is on all the time and my HTTP software runs on the NAS so I dont need a PC on all the time just were the media is, Plex is same concept install it where you media is, But the biggest draw to plex is the built in transcoder so if you want to use roku, your tv its plug and play and will auto switch to transcoding if need be

I dont own an ipad so no 10muse for me
post #9185 of 10788
you mean that plex (or something like that) could be installed on my NAS ?

I think this is getting too technical for me as I don't have any idea about how to do such thing. My Nas is a very simple one and I just use it as a network drive, nothing else. This is very complicated compared to the solutions we already have for Dune and which are working without any problem...

That remind me about some discussion we had on the french forum and mpcc (with accident) about yamj/eversion for Dune vs the other "very simple" dune jukeboxes. Basically : why should I use a very complex piece of software when it's not doing anything more than the current very simple ones I already use ? smile.gif (not saying that yamj is bad, but it's really dedicated to a very small portion of users with a very specialized need)
Edited by Mr Eric - 12/7/12 at 2:24am
post #9186 of 10788
Plex's biggest drawback for me is no ISO support. It looks like a really great program and is a native app on my Synology NAS but, its a no go with ISO........
post #9187 of 10788
Which reminds me......I've been wasting loads of time trying to get my new PHC-A400 working rolleyes.gif and still haven't figured out the best/fastest way to transfer files to HD on my Dune D1. I bought a 3TB hd so I could make one of my D1's portable but, for some reason I'm lost at how to get my files from my NAS to the HD in the D1? Suggestion would be much appreciated.
post #9188 of 10788
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Originally Posted by Stevetd View Post

Which reminds me......I've been wasting loads of time trying to get my new PHC-A400 working rolleyes.gif and still haven't figured out the best/fastest way to transfer files to HD on my Dune D1. I bought a 3TB hd so I could make one of my D1's portable but, for some reason I'm lost at how to get my files from my NAS to the HD in the D1? Suggestion would be much appreciated.

You could just transfer over the network, just make sure you enabled smb server on y our Dune and then you should see over the network
post #9189 of 10788
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

That's awesome. I am going to give it a try and most likely buy the iPad app since I got 3 iPads (kids and wife xmas gifts rolleyes.gif). Plus it will work well for the Dune wink.gif.

I have both My Movies and 10Muse on both the Dune and iPad. I hardly ever use either on the Dune and pretty much only use 10Muse from my iPad. My only complaints about the 10Muse are no ability to filter out movies that have already been watched and no TV support directly on the Dune. It has very good TV support on the iPad. My Movies does not have TV show support on the iPad.

If 10Muse would add the watched function I'd probably abandon My Movies all together.

Louis
post #9190 of 10788
No Tv Shows on MyMovies app (and broken support as well for the dune interface) is the major problem of mymovies. hopefully, they promised to bring the TV shows to the app before the end of this year (in fact they said it should be end november, but we are still waiting...).
post #9191 of 10788
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Originally Posted by Mathelo View Post

I have both My Movies and 10Muse on both the Dune and iPad. I hardly ever use either on the Dune and pretty much only use 10Muse from my iPad. My only complaints about the 10Muse are no ability to filter out movies that have already been watched and no TV support directly on the Dune. It has very good TV support on the iPad. My Movies does not have TV show support on the iPad.
If 10Muse would add the watched function I'd probably abandon My Movies all together.
Louis
10muse added tv support on the Dune a few days ago.

10Muse Library Manager 2.11.1 is now available for download. It comes with various new features and enhancements, mainly the 'Dune Index' export option for TV-Shows.
post #9192 of 10788
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Originally Posted by lfletcher View Post

10muse added tv support on the Dune a few days ago.
10Muse Library Manager 2.11.1 is now available for download. It comes with various new features and enhancements, mainly the 'Dune Index' export option for TV-Shows.

I have to test that out, as missing TV shows was big. 10Muse is 100x better then Zappiti on the iPad (obviously purely my opinion), but since we still use the old TV remote/jukebox view as well I have stuck with Zappiti. There are still plenty of things 10Muse can do to improve (whether UI related or how the PC app operates) but I expect it to only get better over time.
post #9193 of 10788
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

You could just transfer over the network, just make sure you enabled smb server on y our Dune and then you should see over the network

That's what I thought and I have smb enabled but, I can't see the Dune.confused.gif
post #9194 of 10788
check if your dune is on the same network (should be "workgroup", default one being "dune"). It should be in the same part of the setup than the smb activation.
post #9195 of 10788
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Originally Posted by Mr Eric View Post

check if your dune is on the same network (should be "workgroup", default one being "dune"). It should be in the same part of the setup than the smb activation.


Just to clarify, "workgroup", this should be the same work group name of your Win machines correct, so it could be any name, as long as it is the same across all machines of the network, correct?

 

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Axel

post #9196 of 10788
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Originally Posted by Axel View Post


Just to clarify, "workgroup", this should be the same work group name of your Win machines correct, so it could be any name, as long as it is the same across all machines of the network, correct?

____
Axel

Yes, all machines on the same network should show on your Workgroup
post #9197 of 10788
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Originally Posted by Mr Eric View Post

you mean that plex (or something like that) could be installed on my NAS ?
I think this is getting too technical for me as I don't have any idea about how to do such thing. My Nas is a very simple one and I just use it as a network drive, nothing else. This is very complicated compared to the solutions we already have for Dune and which are working without any problem...
That remind me about some discussion we had on the french forum and mpcc (with accident) about yamj/eversion for Dune vs the other "very simple" dune jukeboxes. Basically : why should I use a very complex piece of software when it's not doing anything more than the current very simple ones I already use ? smile.gif (not saying that yamj is bad, but it's really dedicated to a very small portion of users with a very specialized need)

I would not call yamj special need its for anyone but can be highly customized. Yamj is for pch, playon, extreamer stole it at one point, mede8er uses a form of it himedia runs a form of it. If your needs are simple and you have a single player sure some other choices might be easier. But more advanced setups call for a little more power to run software how we need it. if someone had both pch and dune and wanted one jukebox none of the easy solutions would work. Same concept for plex its for people with multiple devices that want to make it easy to use all devices.
post #9198 of 10788
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Originally Posted by Mr Eric View Post

so it's only working on upnp ? And you need a PC behind to run Plex as server ?
Pretty useless if true...

I agree.
post #9199 of 10788
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Originally Posted by halfelite View Post

I would not call yamj special need its for anyone but can be highly customized. Yamj is for pch, playon, extreamer stole it at one point, mede8er uses a form of it himedia runs a form of it. If your needs are simple and you have a single player sure some other choices might be easier. But more advanced setups call for a little more power to run software how we need it. if someone had both pch and dune and wanted one jukebox none of the easy solutions would work. Same concept for plex its for people with multiple devices that want to make it easy to use all devices.

Well, if yamj is for more advanced setup, this is exactly what I call "special needs". So in fact we perfectly agree biggrin.gif
post #9200 of 10788
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Originally Posted by Mr Eric View Post

Well, if yamj is for more advanced setup, this is exactly what I call "special needs". So in fact we perfectly agree biggrin.gif

I agree with Eric, YAMJ is not for everyone. Just by the fact that it is cmd line based, you need to dig into various property files, there is no UI to use (maybe a few minimal 3rd party add ons). Compare that to Zappiti, 10Muse, yaDIS, MyMovies, etc.... and YAMJ definitely falls way behind in the usability side for the average user
post #9201 of 10788
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Originally Posted by Mr Eric View Post

Well, if yamj is for more advanced setup, this is exactly what I call "special needs". So in fact we perfectly agree biggrin.gif

But I would say most of the people in the media player market tend to have a little more advanced setups, But always hard to judge someones knowledge over the internet and what they actually need a system to do, Even for my setup yamj is not perfect nor advanced enough for some of the things I need, While it does cover me across multi platforms it lacks in other areas, Jukeboxes are like cars everyone has different tastes and needs. NO reason to buy a truck to haul things if you never haul a single item.

You all go for ease of use for an end user perspective and I go by what options it can bring to the table and how much I can tweak it to perfection across all my systems, Just two different viewing angles,
post #9202 of 10788
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

I have to test that out, as missing TV shows was big. 10Muse is 100x better then Zappiti on the iPad (obviously purely my opinion), but since we still use the old TV remote/jukebox view as well I have stuck with Zappiti. There are still plenty of things 10Muse can do to improve (whether UI related or how the PC app operates) but I expect it to only get better over time.


i've been meaning to try 10muse but i hate having 2 GUI's for the same player. Gets tiresome after a while. I just recently upgraded to the latest zappiti build and so far the improvements are nice (i was still on 2.0 since it was working perfectly i didn't want to mess up what wasnt broke). now that im on the latest, im thinking of getting the zappiti app to complement the player GUI. in your opinion, has it become stable and useable because i remember when it first came out it was said to be full of bugs and hardly useable. does it ever crash, etc. or does it just work?
post #9203 of 10788
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Originally Posted by Anthony A. View Post

i've been meaning to try 10muse but i hate having 2 GUI's for the same player. Gets tiresome after a while. I just recently upgraded to the latest zappiti build and so far the improvements are nice (i was still on 2.0 since it was working perfectly i didn't want to mess up what wasnt broke). now that im on the latest, im thinking of getting the zappiti app to complement the player GUI. in your opinion, has it become stable and useable because i remember when it first came out it was said to be full of bugs and hardly useable. does it ever crash, etc. or does it just work?

On the ipad it's rock solid. I have not tried the Dune folder export. The library manager is pretty rock solid with a few minor bugs that get fixed very quickly
post #9204 of 10788
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Originally Posted by Mr Eric View Post

so it's only working on upnp ? And you need a PC behind to run Plex as server ?
Pretty useless if true...

I wanted access to my media content from anywhere in the world, from any computer in the world that is on the Internet. Not just in my home and the best solution for this was Plex. Now, in addition to having all my media content available to me I kind of inter-twined Plex and my Dune with some pretty slick scripts. Now I'm able to kick off a movie via Plex to my Dune player. I have several servers, so I run Plex on one of them. I will be trying to install Plex in my unraid system to test it out, but then I'd have to switch over a lot of the programming and not sure I have the time. I have a dedicated high speed computer running SAB, Sick, Couch, Plex, Tonido, pretty much everyone app I like and want to use. Someone that has never seen my setup before would think I've spent thousands alone on the software/programming but its just some custom made stuff taylored to my entertainment system I have on my network. I even have two way audio support. No matter where I am in my house I can say a key word which will enable voice control and wait for my instructions. Like, "play this song", "play this movie", "change the channel", etc....commnands are all static right now and canned but the library is getting nice and formal. Soon as I saw the available Jukebox type software that was around for my Dune I knew I had to come up with something else. They really are all horrible, and the only reason why a lot of people say their software is the best is because of lack of options. There isn't anything else out there for them to use and they don't have the knowledge to customize or create their own.
post #9205 of 10788
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Originally Posted by Anthony A. View Post

i've been meaning to try 10muse but i hate having 2 GUI's for the same player. Gets tiresome after a while. I just recently upgraded to the latest zappiti build and so far the improvements are nice (i was still on 2.0 since it was working perfectly i didn't want to mess up what wasnt broke). now that im on the latest, im thinking of getting the zappiti app to complement the player GUI. in your opinion, has it become stable and useable because i remember when it first came out it was said to be full of bugs and hardly useable. does it ever crash, etc. or does it just work?

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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

On the ipad it's rock solid. I have not tried the Dune folder export. The library manager is pretty rock solid with a few minor bugs that get fixed very quickly

I think he was asking about the Zappiti app?

The Zappiti App looks actually like the UI jukebox which is nice. However, I find it slow to load all the images. The 10 Muse App is rock solid,
post #9206 of 10788
I was thinking of getting a Hd Base used as a 2nd player for my house. I use Zappiti and stream from a combination of MKV's, BD ISO's, DVD ISO's, some movie only BD ISO's, and maybe a few random AVI's MPEG's and M2TS files.

Does the Base do BD Menus? If not will it play the core movie with subtitle and multiple audio formats?

Is there any other functionality I will be missing?

Can you add a BD drive to a base? I think it only takes an internal HD.
post #9207 of 10788
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Originally Posted by TODDAVS View Post

I was thinking of getting a Hd Base used as a 2nd player for my house. I use Zappiti and stream from a combination of MKV's, BD ISO's, DVD ISO's, some movie only BD ISO's, and maybe a few random AVI's MPEG's and M2TS files.
Does the Base do BD Menus? If not will it play the core movie with subtitle and multiple audio formats?
Is there any other functionality I will be missing?
Can you add a BD drive to a base? I think it only takes an internal HD.

All current Dunes do full BD Menus except TV 101/301. Expect this to obviously not be the case gong forward with new players
post #9208 of 10788
Is there a reason you cannot transfer movies to the dune and watch another movie at the same time? If I'm transferring over a cat 6 cable with fast SMB I cannot watch a movie on the Dune, it's too choppy. Now my POS 900b could do this just fine!
post #9209 of 10788
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Originally Posted by DiabloZoe View Post

Is there a reason you cannot transfer movies to the dune and watch another movie at the same time? If I'm transferring over a cat 6 cable with fast SMB I cannot watch a movie on the Dune, it's too choppy. Now my POS 900b could do this just fine!

Depends on your setup and how you're using it. If you're transferring on the same bus you're watching on, you got problems. But if you're transferring via network and watching from a local drive it should work OK. Ethernet is barely fast enough to watch a BD on a Dune, as soon as you add traffic it will fail.
post #9210 of 10788
It's not being watched over the network. The drive is in the unit so to get movies onto the drive my MacBook air is plugged from the thunderbolt LAN adapter into the back of the dune, then the movie transfers over. But if I want to watch something on the dune as this process is going on the movie is choppy sound is choppy. It's like the dune chip cannot handle 2 processes at once, but my 900b you can transfer a movie over LAN and watch another movie while the process is going on in the background.
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