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post #9631 of 10805
I just added a 3 TB hard drive. So far I tried to format ext2 and ext3 with no luck. when I click check partitions at the Dune I get a volume too large error. When I try to open at my computer I get Drive not Accessible, Network error message.

Now trying to format as NTFS.. I thought I read a bit back in the thread that the latest Dune firmware could handle 3TB drives so I ordered one up. It is a Seagate Backup Plus 3 TB USB 3.0 Desktop External Hard Drive. Nothing fancy.

Ideas? What's the trick? I have a feeling NTFS will not work as I have formatted all my 2 TBs as EXT2.

My Dune Max says it has the latest firmware.
post #9632 of 10805
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Originally Posted by Mamasboy View Post

I just added a 3 TB hard drive. So far I tried to format ext2 and ext3 with no luck. when I click check partitions at the Dune I get a volume too large error. When I try to open at my computer I get Drive not Accessible, Network error message.

Now trying to format as NTFS.. I thought I read a bit back in the thread that the latest Dune firmware could handle 3TB drives so I ordered one up. It is a Seagate Backup Plus 3 TB USB 3.0 Desktop External Hard Drive. Nothing fancy.

Ideas? What's the trick? I have a feeling NTFS will not work as I have formatted all my 2 TBs as EXT2.

My Dune Max says it has the latest firmware.

I may be mistaken but i don't think 3tb USB is supported, it might be for internal/SATA though.

I could be wrong.
post #9633 of 10805
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Originally Posted by Mamasboy View Post

Now trying to format as NTFS.. I thought I read a bit back in the thread that the latest Dune firmware could handle 3TB drives so I ordered one up. It is a Seagate Backup Plus 3 TB USB 3.0 Desktop External Hard Drive. Nothing fancy.

3TB on USB is not well supported. Some people have gotten it to work, but others have trouble like you describe. You might try a different brand/model and see if it makes a difference.
post #9634 of 10805
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

My only hesitance with MakeMKV is there are at times issues with the mkvs created. I don't if issues still exist, but I also have 100% success when I used mkvmerge + other tools (although obviously not as "1-click" as MakemKV)
Damian, me, too. I'd be very interested in your mkv workflow. Pretty please smile.gif Thanks, Scott
post #9635 of 10805
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Originally Posted by ScottJ View Post


3TB on USB is not well supported. Some people have gotten it to work, but others have trouble like you describe. You might try a different brand/model and see if it makes a difference.

That's just great, I was reading http://scottjohnson.org/wiki/Dune/Attaching_large_disks and read this thread a few pages back and thought I was golden. So I should just keep buying 3tb hard drives until I find one that works?

When it comes to 3tb external drives there are not that many to choose from. There is western digital, Seagate and some off brands (and of course each has a bunch of different model numbers but the same specs)

What format seems to work best? EXT2 EXT3, NTFS ? I'll go from there.
post #9636 of 10805
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Originally Posted by GetGray View Post

Damian, me, too. I'd be very interested in your mkv workflow. Pretty please smile.gif Thanks, Scott

I have been using MakeMKV for almost 400 disks and never had and issue.. On the few movies with forced subs that are needed, I might need to click the sub button to pull up the correct sub track. I love MKVs, no menus and extras to deal with, just hit play and watch the movie.
post #9637 of 10805
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Originally Posted by Mamasboy View Post

That's just great, I was reading http://scottjohnson.org/wiki/Dune/Attaching_large_disks and read this thread a few pages back and thought I was golden. So I should just keep buying 3tb hard drives until I find one that works?

Well right at the top of that wiki page it says that USB is working for some but not others.
post #9638 of 10805
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

Basically, the bug is that any 7.1 FLAC (whether on MKV or stand alone) is mapped wrong. The rear channels are coming out via the surrounds and the surrounds are coming out the rear channels. There is no bug on 5.1 but 7.1 is completely affected via the PCM decoding engine. I have tested and verified it with multiple tracks and it happens no matter what the original source is... DTS-MA, PCM, TrueHD. All remuxed 7.1 FLAC is mapped wrong. And I tested this with MPC-HC and they are mapped correctly. I also tested the original tracks and remuxed them to wavs and they all come out correctly so its the Dune that is mapping them wrong.

Ouch! so just to confirm, is this limited to FLAC? If the player is doing the decoding of DTS-HD or sending through just PCM I assume then it is not affected?
post #9639 of 10805
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Originally Posted by EVT View Post

Ouch! so just to confirm, is this limited to FLAC? If the player is doing the decoding of DTS-HD or sending through just PCM I assume then it is not affected?

I tested all HD audio formats under decoding and they all passed. There is something in the FLAC mapping that the Dunes do not like. I even tested FLAC under bitstream and it also mapped wrong (although I was extremely surprised that it even worked since my Onkyo does not decode multi-channel FLAC so I think the Dune still does the decoding).
post #9640 of 10805
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Originally Posted by Mamasboy View Post

That's just great, I was reading http://scottjohnson.org/wiki/Dune/Attaching_large_disks and read this thread a few pages back and thought I was golden. So I should just keep buying 3tb hard drives until I find one that works?

When it comes to 3tb external drives there are not that many to choose from. There is western digital, Seagate and some off brands (and of course each has a bunch of different model numbers but the same specs)

What format seems to work best? EXT2 EXT3, NTFS ? I'll go from there.

The drive should have been formatted NTFS when you got it. Plug it directly into your PC and check it out, reformat if desired. Worst case, take it out of the case and install internally in the Dune.
post #9641 of 10805
If you have a brand new drive, the best way to make it work is to let the dune format it in ntfs.
post #9642 of 10805
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

. . . I even tested FLAC under bitstream and it also mapped wrong (although I was extremely surprised that it even worked since my Onkyo does not decode multi-channel FLAC so I think the Dune still does the decoding).
Yes, the Dune would need to decode the FLAC to PCM, as FLAC is not a format that can be bitstreamed.

So it sounds like somebody screwed-up the mapping when implementing the FLAC decoder in the Dune. Good find.
post #9643 of 10805
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Originally Posted by EVT View Post

dbone, do you have a recommended workflow using mkvmerge? Although I'm not ready to jump ship from ISO it would be nice to be aware of the methods that could be used to do so.

One thing I like about MakeMKV is if I decided to convert my movie-only ISOs it does so super quick - converting the ISOs is an idea I'm toying with to ensure future compatability. On the other hand, with two D1's in storage I guess that is perhaps being overly paranoid about hardware failure.

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Originally Posted by GetGray View Post

Damian, me, too. I'd be very interested in your mkv workflow. Pretty please smile.gif Thanks, Scott

This is my Clown_BD + BD2up2Sub + MKVMerge workflow. Was always flawless for me, and even though it is more steps then MakeMKV it was worth it (and really once you do a few times there isn't much involved)

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010/03/31/mkv-mania-clown_bd-mkvmerge/
Edited by dbone1026 - 2/20/13 at 2:54am
post #9644 of 10805
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

Anyone have a good contact at HDi for either their support tech guys or the firmware guys at the Russian forum? I have discovered a major bug in the decoding (PCM) engine that I am almost 100% no one has ever noticed. I have spent the last 6-hours verifying the bug and it is pretty bad.

I have not been able to find any actual emails on their web site and since I cannot read Russian I cannot figure out if those guys are actually working on bugs.

Message sent , so hopefully this will get to the right people smile.gif
post #9645 of 10805
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post


This is my Clown_BD + BD2up2Sub + MKVMerge workflow. Was always flawless for me, and even though it is more steps then MakeMKV it was worth it (and really once you do a few times there isn't much involved)

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010/03/31/mkv-mania-clown_bd-mkvmerge/

That's a great way to do it, but if you've already had all your movies ripped with ClownBD as main movie M2TS or folder structure you will have to re-rip the movie to get the subtitle tracks again?
post #9646 of 10805
Thanks done.
post #9647 of 10805
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

That's a great way to do it, but if you've already had all your movies ripped with ClownBD as main movie M2TS or folder structure you will have to re-rip the movie to get the subtitle tracks again?

Yes. There are other tools that basically provide more of an all in one for mkv conversion (using same tools as ClownBD + mkvmerge), I just prefer the whole Clown_BD + process because I
have a little more control

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010/03/29/mkv-mania-another-eac3to-gui/

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010/08/24/mkvmania-ripping-to-mkv-with-blurip/

This tool to just to extract:

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010/05/20/mkvmania-hdbrstreamextractor/
Edited by dbone1026 - 2/20/13 at 4:31am
post #9648 of 10805
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Yes. There are other tools that basically provide more of an all in one for mkv conversion (using same tools as ClownBD + mkvmerge), I just prefer the whole Clown_BD + process because I
have a little more control

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010/03/29/mkv-mania-another-eac3to-gui/

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010/08/24/mkvmania-ripping-to-mkv-with-blurip/

This tool to just to extract:

http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010/05/20/mkvmania-hdbrstreamextractor/

Thanks Damian.
post #9649 of 10805
DVDFab blu-ray ripper would also be good for MKVs but unfortunately it produces 1080p SUB/IDX subtitles and the Dune can't display these - otherwise Fab has the ability to automatically rip just the forced subtitles along with uncompressed video and as many audio tracks as you like (though I'm not sure it has the ability to create a separate TrueHD and AC3 track).

The more I think about it the more I I think that my current solution of ripping movie-only blu-ray ISOs (or BDMV) using DVDFab is by far the simplest method though I am limited to essentially playing these titles back on my Dune players.
post #9650 of 10805
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Originally Posted by EVT View Post

DVDFab blu-ray ripper would also be good for MKVs but unfortunately it produces 1080p SUB/IDX subtitles and the Dune can't display these - otherwise Fab has the ability to automatically rip just the forced subtitles along with uncompressed video and as many audio tracks as you like (though I'm not sure it has the ability to create a separate TrueHD and AC3 track).

The more I think about it the more I I think that my current solution of ripping movie-only blu-ray ISOs (or BDMV) using DVDFab is by far the simplest method though I am limited to essentially playing these titles back on my Dune players.

Well, hopefully now that full BD support will no longer be supported (except possibly the New Dune Max but at that pricepoint I would not say it is a legitimate alternative for many), developers can start putting their full attention towards getting proper seamless branch and forced subtitle support. Your typical PC applications (such as MPC HC, etc...) can handle these already, so there is no reason why this can't be incorporated into BD Lite or some alternative. It sounds like XBMC on these media players may be the best hope
post #9651 of 10805
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Well, hopefully now that full BD support will no longer be supported (except possibly the New Dune Max but at that pricepoint I would not say it is a legitimate alternative for many), developers can start putting their full attention towards getting proper seamless branch and forced subtitle support. Your typical PC applications (such as MPC HC, etc...) can handle these already, so there is no reason why this can't be incorporated into BD Lite or some alternative. It sounds like XBMC on these media players may be the best hope

I hope your correct. Still, the hope that I have is that the studios will wake up one day and realize that it is in their interest to sell blu-ray's with digital copy rights (not itunes or uvvu but the full-blu-ray). Personally, I think this might actually help rather than hurt sales, I know that if I couldn't put movies on my WHS I wouldn't buy half as many as I do - for me flipping through my discs isn't going to happen whereas scanning through a list on my media player where I can slice and dice stuff by any number of criteria (year, director, actor, genre, etc.) makes my collection far more useable and thus valuable.
post #9652 of 10805
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Originally Posted by MarkHotchkiss View Post

So it sounds like somebody screwed-up the mapping when implementing the FLAC decoder in the Dune. Good find.

I'm not going to take credit for the find. Another user had a theory that the Dune was messing up the mapping but could not prove it so he mentioned it to me and I was actually trying to disprove it. Now that I know its there, it is bugging (no pun) when I hear it.

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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Message sent , so hopefully this will get to the right people smile.gif

Thanks Damian. If they need test files I have a bunch of them on my hard drive that I can send (they are quite small) and they can see/hear the issues.
post #9653 of 10805
You do know there isn't a hard drive included with the H1, right? The D1 has a display which entails electronics, the H1 is just an empty HD caddy.
post #9654 of 10805
LCD's are far more expensive.
post #9655 of 10805
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Originally Posted by YesAnotherTweet View Post

LCD's are far more expensive.
Yes. And the vacuum-florescent displays that the D1 uses are even more expensive. biggrin.gif
post #9656 of 10805
Does the D1 support hot swap of hard drive?
post #9657 of 10805
no, the HDD is permanently inside and the D1 is closed.
post #9658 of 10805
New firmware is available for 3d models. Take the last one (b5). It seems to correct dts hd drop outs, seamless branching and adding mvc mkv compatibility.

If true, those guys are impressive eek.gif
post #9659 of 10805
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Originally Posted by Mr Eric View Post

New firmware is available for 3d models. Take the last one (b5). It seems to correct dts hd drop outs, seamless branching and adding mvc mkv compatibility.

If true, those guys are impressive eek.gif

is there release notes somewhere?
post #9660 of 10805
Nothing on dune website...
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