Netgear NeoTV 550 - Page 62

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AutoFPS improvementso Fixed MKV stuttering when playing some 24fps content in 1080p24 mode
o Fixed MOV stuttering when playing some 24fps content
o Note, the stuttering was not AutoFPS related. These videos were previously stuttering whenever the display mode was set to 1080p24

Is there a option to turn on or choose AutoFPS. ?

Anyone manage to play a video with AAC soundtrack over HDMI ? Can't seem to get any sound on such files...

Edit: this worked again after a reboot

Yes AutoFPS can be turned on or off (whatever that would help). But 24p doesn't help much when the TV is still at the same refresh rate. My Pioneer 508XD tells me loud and clear when 24p is enabled. This doesn't happen with this player right now - but works great on my TVIX. (as above - my fault)

AAC 2.0 worked here after a cold boot btw. Could be some settings that are like that...

Edit: AAC 2.0 lost again... Grrr....

Please explain what you mean by "1080p24 does NOT work like expected."

Have you select 1080p24 for the TV resolution. Have you also selected AutoFPS from the menu.

What do you expect to happen and what actually happens?

BTW, can one confirm that it is handling correctly 23.976 and 24p (as a WDTV live for example) and doesn't suffer of the same issue as realtek first gen products (realtek chipset issue on xtreamer, asus and Co).

Thx

Sorry! Strike all that - it's working now! I jumped the gun there a lot. Sorry my fault for trusting that all my input settings were identical.

No worries. You're not the first person to blame the Neo and you won't be the last

I'm confused

If you have to manually select 1080p24 for the TV resolution whats the point in having AutoFPS. ?


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My quess is that your tv's colourspace is not set to auto.

The AutoFPS seem to work quite well so far after some intensive testing here. US 1080i stuff gets 60Hz, and movies 24p. I think what you select is the default as well as the menu resolution...

Thats good to hear.

I'm still puzzled about what I do that makes the box go haywire on me in regards to suddenly not beeing able to play AAC tracks. Will have to investigate some more...

Damn! Just got this email from Fry's on my preorder:

" Thank you for your order. We apologize but the item(s) you
ordered are currently out of stock and we are unable to provide
a definite ship date at this time. However, we continually
receive new merchandise in our warehouse and we hope to fulfill
your order within the next thirty days or sooner if possible.

At this time, your order is still pending and will ship as soon
as the item(s) are in stock. Your order number is xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx .

If you would prefer to cancel, change, or check the status of
your order, you may do so at anytime prior to shipment by
calling customer service at 1-(877)688-7678 (International
customers may call 1(408)350-1484, or e-mail us at
service@cs.frys.com. If you choose to cancel your order
we will provide a full and prompt refund of any charges which
you may have incurred for unshipped items.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Thank you for choosing Frys.com"

I hope this is a generic email and doesn't mean they have been notified by Netgear that they wont be getting them in before xmas.

This is the boilerplate email Fry's sends out when your order something they don't have on hand. Netgear reps have already confirmed that Fry's is going to have units on hand by Dec. 13th (and possibly the only retailer to have them before Xmas).

That's good to hear. Thanks!

This is not an option for me because I know that the files are not bad. It's question about how it handles decoding. All of the problems can be fixed.
However it's a good tool for some files that are really screwed up.


Birdfile may not be important but it's an indication on how the player handles stream with alot of information.


Sorry, but most people in here seems to be fixated with the term "bad" encode. A bad encode is a screwed up encode that doesn't support the format specs at all or the information inside is faulty. This is not the case with most files that I have problem with here.
These are simply files that has not been tested/discovered yet by testers because it's almost impossible to test all kinds of information/interaction out there. Clearly these files can be played on other systems like the Boxee. Some of the problems has been fixed by Netgear in the latest beta compared to the 2 month old fw that was shipped with the unit.
I have found some interlaced mp4 files that Boxee can't handle at all, but the Neo will read them just fine. I have found some wmv files that can't be ffw on Boxee but work fine on NTV550.
FW 268 still can't handle some of the files from candre23 thread correct.

The NTV550 has a more stable system for local files than Boxee (If i exclude the bug that hangs the player and the only solution is to pull the power adapter.) I have problems changing audio tracks/subtitles on Boxee without it hanging.
The remote on NTV550 makes all of these things so much easier.
But the rar-support on Boxee is excellent. I can read a BD-ISO inside an archive... that is something that Neo needs to implement imo.
Overscan is still a problem for me on the 550 compared to Boxee. (I can't move H/V-amp any more than this). Fixing it everytime with the zoombutton is not good. You can't even save those settings.

Sounds like your issue with the sound is simliar to my problem with the TrueHD-test file in candre23 thread. If you play any other sound format before playing your file... sound is not outputed, right?

I agree, but one can probably create a 200mbit/s correctly encoded file but I don't expect any player to read it. I wouldn't blame any player for not being able to play it.
It is not because these files exist that they make sense. As of today, if I'm not wrong, the highest mb/s we should have to deal with is 54mb/s (audio + video, bluray standard).
And again, there is nothing against you, because I performed the test as well on my current device (WDTV Live).


Ok, but what are the recorders used to produce 90mbit/s files ?.
You can take your camera, record a video, use a software that will produce a 90mb/s file but the original one will never have that rate and the quality won't be better than the source.
The WDTV live has no menu to test network speed, so I have used constant bitrate files to see what is the max it can read depending on the protocol used.
It (the wtvlive) max at less that 55mb/s under samba and can go up to 70mb/s under DLNA.
Based on that, I can say that there is less risk of issue using DLNA than samba while reading an m2ts file (extracted from a br so 54mb/s max).

I don't expect netgear or others to test all kind of files, I expect them to test real life files, so br rip, br iso, mkv with standard bitrate files in, dvd and co, not the 90mb/s bird scene. Supposing the 90mb/s was really recorded at this bitrate it couldn't be sold on a bluray (54mb/s) max, so I could not buy it and so could not rip it and play it.
If the netgear cannot read the last megaupload mkv made from a br but re-encoded "wrongly" with insane bitrate, I don't care at all.


Just for my knowledge, what is the added value of having an iso in a .rar file ?

David

here's a question. I don't have much interest right now in playing back bd-iso's or any other rips for that matter. My main interest is playing back m2ts files that will be coming from my new canon vixia hd camcorder and archived on my dns-323 nas. I would also like to be able to check out youtube and a few other video sites on my hdtv. What would you guys recommend for this re: boxee vs ntv 550?

David. Birdfile comment has nothing to do with the rest of my text.
I just answered his question regarding that file.
Personally I'm fine with the 54mbit/s peak. But it shows that there is a handling difference between the chipsets.

Rar-support is a very requested feature here in Sweden. It's not adding any value to the information itself. However it's the most effecient way to transfer large amounts of data over the internet...

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6123

"The table is sorted according to dollars lost per capita, and it’s immediately apparent as to why the IIPA is so critical of Canada. Not only does Canada have the greatest loss per capita at $16.78, but its citizens also have the greatest purchasing power. While the IIPA may be concerned about its loss per capita from Canada, the report the coalition filed expressed frustration with Canadian legislation. The IIPA says that pirates have taken advantage of the gaps in Canadian law to become a “leading exporter” of camcorder bootleg movies and modchips for video game consoles.

On the other hand, China, the world leader in dollars lost from piracy, only manages $1.68 lost per person. Of course, incidents of piracy are likely to be spread very unevenly in a nation with huge disparity between urban and rural areas. The IIPA also points to China as a large exporter of pirated goods to Eastern and Western Europe."

Note: I am 100 percent behind having a Canadian election every 2 years so we never pass any new legislation. I loved watching bills C60 and C61 get tossed but now this new C32 bill looks like it may actually happen. It's time for another election!

The RCMPs view on music piracy is inspiring and intelligent:
According to the RCMP it is impossible to track down who uploads music or movies to the Internet. The police simply do not have the time nor the resources to go after filesharers.[20]

“Downloading music for personal use, or non-profit use is no longer targeted, and is legal.” Noël St-Hilaire, head of copyright theft investigations of the RCMP, said in an interview with Le Devoir.

St-Hilaire explained that they would rather focus on crimes that actually hurt consumers such as copyright violations related to medicine and electrical appliances, as well as ones that affect organized crime.[20]

So the 550 won't allow 1:1 mapping? That's a major deal breaker for me.

the overscanning issues puzzle me too

just to make sure, the tv is set to full screen instead off the various overscan settings it often has?

its not an aspect ratio issue is it?

makes me wonder, does the neo have options too change the aspect ratio on the fly?

If you'd read page 4 of the NETGEAR NeoTV 550 Review then you'd know the answer to that question

Indeed, it does
cheers!

Thanks for your comparisons. Are you running the latest firmware for both the players ?

This was quickly buried with the bug reports. Anyone using a Mac with the 550?

Thanks.

I'm using the same receiver with the same hdmi input on the screen. It doesn't really matter to me where the problem is. As I said, I can't adjust my H/V-amp anymore, so I would just like an option in settings so I can fix it without the zoombutton for every 16:9.
I'll record a movie with the aspect ratio function so you can see how it works. In bd-iso mode you can't use the zoom-function so there is no way to get all of the picture with eg Avatar on my tv at least.

Avatar? Is the iso working on your NeoTV?
I got a 3DBD-Rip of Avatar. My O!Play plays it fine (in 2D and the main movie only, of course), but the NeoTV stops after a few minutes playing...

Another issue: I tested files from my former Digicam Fuji Finepix F700. O!Play plays them, NeoTV doesn't. Here is the mediainfo:

Allgemein
Vollständiger Name : G:\\Fotos\\2005\\Urlaub\\Schwarzwald\\DSCF0377.AVI
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
Dateigröße : 30,1 MiB
Dauer : 27s 0ms
Gesamte Bitrate : 9 354 Kbps

Video
ID : 0
Format : M-JPEG
Format_Settings_FrameMode : 8
Codec-ID : MJPG
Dauer : 27s 0ms
Bitrate : 9 215 Kbps
Breite : 640 Pixel
Höhe : 480 Pixel
Bildseitenverhältnis : 4:3
Bildwiederholungsrate : 30,000 FPS
ColorSpace : YUV
ChromaSubsampling : 4:2:0
Scantyp : progressiv
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.000
Stream-Größe : 29,7 MiB (99%)
Titel : FUJIFILM AVI STREAM 0100

Audio
Format : PCM
Format-Einstellungen für Endiane : Little
Format-Einstellungen für Sign : Unsigned
Codec-ID : 1
Codec-ID/Hinweis : Microsoft
Dauer : 27s 0ms
Bitraten-Modus : konstant
Bitrate : 128 Kbps
Kanäle : 1 Kanal
Samplingrate : 16,0 KHz
BitDepth/String : 8 bits
Stream-Größe : 422 KiB (1%)
Interleave, Dauer : 1000 ms (30,00 Video-Frames)
Interleave, Vorlaufsdauer : 1000 ms


Seriously, why has the NeoTV so much problems to play such common files?
MKV is a difficult format, I know. But avi with m-jpg? Or the files from my Pana TZ7, Mov with quicktime?
These are common containers with common codecs. Very disappointing!

Have in mind, that this is not a cheap chinese player from ebay.
It's pretension is to be a state-of-the-art player. And I have payed a lot of money for it.
IMHO it should work better out-of-the-box.

I bet now comes a comment again from someone, who not even posesses the NeoTV, but seems to be a fanboy who cannot accept that this device is criticized by owners...

Me too. If someone can confirm that, and that it's by design, I'll unsubscribe. That means it applys scaling by definition where none should be applied. Bad enough these streamers have to mess with everything else (deinterlace, chroma up-sampling, frame rate, etc.) but if it can't at least pass 1080 1:1 it's definitely out for me, too.