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post #331 of 6184
10/12/10 at 1:34pm
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Thanks a lot. I'll look into Eac3to tonight.


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post #332 of 6184
10/12/10 at 1:43pm
I've ripped Prince of Persia using the appropriate .mpls file with tsMuxeR, and it plays flawlessly. Did manually select which files to join?
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post #333 of 6184
10/12/10 at 1:49pm
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I've ripped Prince of Persia using the appropriate .mpls file with tsMuxeR, and it plays flawlessly. Did manually select which files to join?

I still wouldn't use it to join the files and maybe there was no audio overlap so it played fine.There are many others that need the overlap fix that tsmuxer can not do.
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post #334 of 6184
10/12/10 at 1:54pm
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Good to hear. If I had a player that did BD menus to start with I would have ripped everything to .iso all along. Have you tried to play that StarTrek 2009.iso streaming from a network share? I ask because the average/peak bitrate of ST-09 is 39.7/48 Mbps -- higher than Avatar. If the Neo 550 can stream ST-09 over the network without stuttering, it'll handle anything I have.

I have but from an NFS share, not an SMB share (from my ReadyNAS NV+). It played just fine. Along with my Denon AVR issue, I've got a network issue going on as well. My streaming tests have slowed to 5-7Mbs. When I get that figured out, I'll copy ST09 to a SMB share and try it.
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post #335 of 6184
10/12/10 at 1:56pm
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I still wouldn't use it to join the files and maybe there was no audio overlap so it played fine.There are many others that need the overlap fix that tsmuxer can not do.

I have over 180 rips, all using tsMuxeR and none of them have any such issues. Also, according to the logs tsMuxeR does remove overlaping frames when ripping branching movies. What version of tsMuxerR did you experience issues with?
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post #336 of 6184
10/12/10 at 2:06pm
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Originally Posted by Reaper69 View Post

I have over 180 rips, all using tsMuxeR and none of them have any such issues. Also, according to the logs tsMuxeR does remove overlaping frames when ripping branching movies. What version of tsMuxerR did you experience issues with?


How do you play these movies pc or media player and what player is it?
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post #337 of 6184
10/12/10 at 2:10pm
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How do you play these movies pc or media player and what player is it?

I've watched my rips using a variety of media streamers. In the past six months I've used a WDTV Live, Xtreamer Sidewinder, Viewsonic VMP75, and PopBox.
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post #338 of 6184
10/12/10 at 2:21pm
Out of the 180 rips how many are seamless branching that you joined? I'm surprised u have not had problems.

I still say the people who do have problems with seamless branching movies to use Eac3to to join them.
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post #339 of 6184
10/12/10 at 2:25pm
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Thanks a lot. I'll look into Eac3to tonight.

Or you can use Clown BD which is a front-end for eac3to and TSMuxer and has the ability to incorporate ImgBurn as well to create an ISO. I'll also vouch for eac3to over TSMuxer, TSMuxer tends to be okay with joining movies with two or three files but if you get into 20+ files it tends to exhibit issues. Using Clown BD which utilizes eac3to works great.
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post #340 of 6184
10/12/10 at 2:47pm
@the guys with multiple m2ts files.

Once you've got a streamer that has "proper" blu-ray support (with menus) will you re-rip them or simply "make do" with the rips as they are currently? Just curious
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post #341 of 6184
10/12/10 at 2:59pm
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@the guys with multiple m2ts files.

Once you've got a streamer that has "proper" blu-ray support (with menus) will you re-rip them or simply "make do" with the rips as they are currently? Just curious

I'll continue to join and or remux my movies as i have no need or want the menus and other junk on the disc.
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post #342 of 6184
10/12/10 at 3:31pm
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Originally Posted by robkwil61 View Post

I'm sure if multi-.mt2s was an issue, I would have heard about it in the official beta forum. One of our users is very heavily into BR and helping iron any issues he comes across. I myself only have two BD.iso's being Star Trek and Avatar. But again, most of the beta testers I'm sure rip to ISO, so maybe that is masking a potential problem.

Trust me, it's an issue if you're into BD titles. More than 10% of my 50 or so Blu-ray titles have this issue and ALL the TV series blu-ray discs.

The problem manifests itself both in ISO and folders. I have WDTV Live and Seagate Theater + right now. Not sure what other players do.
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post #343 of 6184
10/12/10 at 6:01pm
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Out of the 180 rips how many are seamless branching that you joined? I'm surprised u have not had problems.

I still say the people who do have problems with seamless branching movies to use Eac3to to join them.

I don't have an exact number, but I'd say maybe 10% of my rips required seamless branching, most of which are Disney flicks. I'm using tsMuxeR v1.10.6, and it logs anytime it removes any overlapping frames. I do add them to tsMuxeR using the .mpls playlist instead of trying to piece them together manually, which I believe is a must for seamless branching to work properly with tsMuxeR.

Either way, I just finished watching an hour of Prince of Persia and thirty minutes of WALL-E both worked like a charm on the PopBox which is passing the raw audio to my receiver via HDMI.
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post #344 of 6184
10/12/10 at 6:09pm
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@the guys with multiple m2ts files.

Once you've got a streamer that has "proper" blu-ray support (with menus) will you re-rip them or simply "make do" with the rips as they are currently? Just curious

I'll continue to rip to a single m2ts file to conserve disc space, as iso's just waste entirely too much space on worthless junk IMHO.
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post #345 of 6184
10/12/10 at 6:22pm
Except for the multi-m2ts files I use iso's. However, I also use bd_rebuilder to reduce the size to <10GB/disc. However, because bd_rebuilder does not permit you to retain HD Audio, I mux the HD audio back in afterward. It's a real pain in the ___, but I do the BDRB processing overnight and I have a couple of fast computers to use so it's not too bad. The key thing is that I use substantially less space on my NAS for blu-ray titles with little perceptible loss of quality.
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post #346 of 6184
10/12/10 at 6:28pm
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I've ripped Prince of Persia using the appropriate .mpls file with tsMuxeR, and it plays flawlessly. Did manually select which files to join?

I'm using TSMUXER v1.10.6. I ripped the main title with English audio/subtitles to HDD using DVD Fab then opened the playlist file with TSMUXER to do the join operation. The combined .m2ts plays perfectly except for the increasingly lagging audio. Seagate FAT+ player.
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post #347 of 6184
10/12/10 at 6:30pm
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You can use clown bd for a GUI http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=25818

Thanks again. I have clown_BD installed and use it for other purposes. I'll learn how to do the join with it and use that from now on.
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post #348 of 6184
10/12/10 at 6:43pm
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@the guys with multiple m2ts files.

Once you've got a streamer that has "proper" blu-ray support (with menus) will you re-rip them or simply "make do" with the rips as they are currently? Just curious

Once I have a "proper" player, I will re-rip to BD.iso of the main title. I use DVD Fab to rip the main title only with english HD audio and subtitles. The .m2ts file(s) take up the lions share of the space. The other files in the .iso have the playlist for chapter support and seamless branching play order.

For example Startrek 2009.m2ts is 35.2GB. The rest of the files in the .iso of the main title take up less than 1MB of space.

A "proper" player will allow me to do the BD.iso rip and be done with it. No more joining .m2ts files and no more checking the subtitle track(s) for forced subtitles, both to work around a deficient player. I do hope the Neo 550 turns out to be "the one".
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post #349 of 6184
10/12/10 at 6:57pm
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

I'm using TSMUXER v1.10.6. I ripped the main title with English audio/subtitles to HDD using DVD Fab then opened the playlist file with TSMUXER to do the join operation. The combined .m2ts plays perfectly except for the increasingly lagging audio. Seagate FAT+ player.

I go directly from the bluray into tsMuxeR via AnyDVD. Does tsMuxeR log the removal of overlapping frames using your method?
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post #350 of 6184
10/12/10 at 7:22pm
Thanks for the heads up on ClownBD. I have it but didn't realize you could specify the playlist file for joining clips. That's so much easier than manually doing so with Tsmuxer.
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post #351 of 6184
10/13/10 at 6:26am
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Originally Posted by dalegfloyd View Post

Trust me, it's an issue if you're into BD titles. More than 10% of my 50 or so Blu-ray titles have this issue and ALL the TV series blu-ray discs.

The problem manifests itself both in ISO and folders. I have WDTV Live and Seagate Theater + right now. Not sure what other players do.

The reason this happens with the WDTV Live and Seagate is because they can't read a blu-ray ISO or folder structure; what they do is playback the largest M2TS file within the ISO or blu-ray folder. This is the case whether you rip the movie only or an entire disc. The Neo 550, and Dune can read a blu-ray folder structure or ISO so this isn't an issue for them, the movie can be split into 100 and it wouldn't matter. Basically your WDTV and Seagate do not have a blu-ray license.
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post #352 of 6184
10/13/10 at 6:30am
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Originally Posted by Kelson View Post

Once I have a "proper" player, I will re-rip to BD.iso of the main title. I use DVD Fab to rip the main title only with english HD audio and subtitles. The .m2ts file(s) take up the lions share of the space. The other files in the .iso have the playlist for chapter support and seamless branching play order.

For example Startrek 2009.m2ts is 35.2GB. The rest of the files in the .iso of the main title take up less than 1MB of space.

A "proper" player will allow me to do the BD.iso rip and be done with it. No more joining .m2ts files and no more checking the subtitle track(s) for forced subtitles, both to work around a deficient player. I do hope the Neo 550 turns out to be "the one".

You are correct except for the forced subtitles. If the forced subs are embedded in an entire subtitle track (almost always subtitle track #1) then your approach will work. If the forced subs are in a separate track (e.g. the Godfather - forced subs are in the third English subtitle track which contains only forced subs) you will have to put a check mark next to that subtitle track in DVDFab so that the image you create will know to trigger the subtitles.
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post #353 of 6184
10/13/10 at 7:41am
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Originally Posted by Reaper69 View Post

Does tsMuxeR log the removal of overlapping frames using your method?

Yes.
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post #354 of 6184
10/13/10 at 11:07am
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You are correct except for the forced subtitles. If the forced subs are embedded in an entire subtitle track (almost always subtitle track #1) then your approach will work. If the forced subs are in a separate track (e.g. the Godfather - forced subs are in the third English subtitle track which contains only forced subs) you will have to put a check mark next to that subtitle track in DVDFab so that the image you create will know to trigger the subtitles.

EVT, can you elaborate what you mean by "put a check mark next to that subtitle track in DVDFab". Do you mean to just rip multiple english subtitle tracks if present? Or is there something more.

With a "proper" player, if I rip the main title, HD audio, and all the english subtitle tracks to an .iso, is that not enough to get any forced subtitles to automatically play no matter which track they are in?
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post #355 of 6184
10/13/10 at 11:18am
What about Cinavia? Will this player incorporate it? The reason I ask is because, if I understand correctly, this player will have a bd license for it...won't it require having it?
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post #356 of 6184
10/13/10 at 11:31am
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What about Cinavia? Will this player incorporate it?

That's a good question cause if it's not turned on now then down the road it could be with a firmware update if it has it in the first place. Not that there are many movies with cinavia (only 2 movies) but that would really suck for people who like to strip down and remux there movies like my self.
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post #357 of 6184
10/13/10 at 11:36am
Has anyone seen any more information about the "Zixi" (i think that is what it is called) integration? This tech is supposed to improve streaming quality, so they must have some plans in this department (since I don't think it would apply to netflix).
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post #358 of 6184
10/13/10 at 11:44am
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Originally Posted by DoomBot View Post

That's a good question cause if it's not turned on now then down the road it could be with a firmware update if it has it in the first place. Not that there are many movies with cinavia (only 2 movies) but that would really suck for people who like to strip down and remux there movies like my self.

If I understand Cinavia correctly, it is applicable only to movies played back from a BR disc. As long as you don't strip, remux and burn back to BR disc, you shouldn't have any issues. (Whether you will be able to strip AACS from Cinavia protected movies is dependent on AnyDVD -- haven't followed that up yet -- and has nothing to do with the NeoTV having BR license.)

Of course, I am open to correction on this, as the above is just my understanding.
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post #359 of 6184
10/13/10 at 11:54am
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Originally Posted by jakmal View Post

If I understand Cinavia correctly, it is applicable only to movies played back from a BR disc. As long as you don't strip, remux and burn back to BR disc, you shouldn't have any issues. (Whether you will be able to strip AACS from Cinavia protected movies is dependent on AnyDVD -- haven't followed that up yet -- and has nothing to do with the NeoTV having BR license.)

Of course, I am open to correction on this, as the above is just my understanding.


I believe it is any cinavia protected movie that has been remuxed or re-encoded or ISO with AACS removed and played from a hard drive or BR disc. People owning the PS3 have played files from there hard drive with cinavia protection and have had the problem.
I will always remux my movies and play the m2ts file from my hard drives.
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post #360 of 6184
10/13/10 at 12:09pm
so which two movies have Cinavia, and at what point in the movie? are test files available?

I'm going to pre-order this player, and will want to test this as if it has cinavia it'll be going straight back.
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