Thanks alot, that is what I thought.
I am really torn about what receiver to buy. I sold my elite (I have been Pioneer all my life but wanted to change for no good reason) and 2 subs on craigslist last nite, so I have an HDMI from the cable box to the tv and a bunch of other wires and my MA's laying around my living room waiting for a new receiver. Epik Empires will be ordered soon.
I have always been a fan of Marantz (bro-n-law had a receiver 40 years ago). I am having a hard time justifying the extra money of this receiver over the Onkyo 809. It is about twice the price.
I read about 30 pages of this thread last night trying to talk myself out of this and saving some money but so far to no avail. You guys are not making the decision to save money an easy one.
Periodically I listen to alot of music, and I know the Marantz will sound alot better than the Onkyo, but $800 better?
I also cannot find any definite proof one way or the other that one brand is more reliable than the other.