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post #2011 of 2387
Getting XT32 may indeed help your system.* I don't have a problem with that, but getting a Denon AVR4311 for $1600, or less, and selling the SR7005, or devoting it to another room, would be my approach. Still, speakers, their placement, the source recording, and the room make much bigger differences. I can't for the life of me figure out why so many in these forums buy one set of speakers per decade, yet they swap out their receivers/amps almost yearly. It makes no sense.


*Or it might not. I suspect it is room dependent: makes a difference for some rooms, makes no perceivable difference for others. I don't like how Audyssey is completely evasive when asked point blank what the specific incremental change is. All they will say is, "It is like 32 times better than another resolution we also refuse to disclose, regarding the absolute number of points of control, on the frequency and level axises" Not cool.mad.gif

Can you imagine if a subwoofer company sold their subs by saying "The Super32 Thumpmaster goes down to deep frequencies that are half the size of the Regular Thumpmaster." It doesn't really tell you much, now does it?
Edited by m. zillch - 3/25/13 at 9:09pm
post #2012 of 2387
Anyone have trouble 'Loading' a saved config. through the network to the SR7005?

I used Firefox to Save a config. after I had things setup, seems to have saved just fine...no error messages. Then just recently I tried resetting the unit as the manual says, hold Surr. Mode + Auto and press/release Pwr button. When I try loading the saved settings .dat file with Firefox it fails and says try again.

Anyone else run into this?

Thanks!
post #2013 of 2387
post #2014 of 2387
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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

*Or it might not. I suspect it is room dependent: makes a difference for some rooms, makes no perceivable difference for others. I don't like how Audyssey is completely evasive when asked point blank what the specific incremental change is. All they will say is, "It is like 32 times better than another resolution we also refuse to disclose, regarding the absolute number of points of control, on the frequency and level axises" Not cool.mad.gif

Chris has mentioned before in the Audyssey thread that whereas MultEQ uses "dozens" of control points, and XT uses "hundreds" of control points, XT32 uses over 10, 000 control points. eek.gif
post #2015 of 2387
"Dozens", "Hundreds" and "Some unspecified number larger than 10,000" does not give absolute values or increments. He is being evasive on purpose, if you ask me, even though I suspect he knows EXACTLY what these absolute values actually are, right off the top of his head.

As an example, for all we know XT and XT32 are exactly the same in terms of their frequency bandwidth resolution, however regarding the level axis, XT32 can make incremental adjustments of 1/32nd of a dB (.03 dB steps) whereas XT's much coarser resolution can only make adjustments in 1 dB increments. This wouldn't make any difference to a human's perception, but it could correctly be called "32 times more accurate with much better resolution" for marketing purposes.
Edited by m. zillch - 3/26/13 at 1:39pm
post #2016 of 2387
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Originally Posted by m. zillch View Post

*Or it might not. I suspect it is room dependent: makes a difference for some rooms, makes no perceivable difference for others. I don't like how Audyssey is completely evasive when asked point blank what the specific incremental change is. All they will say is, "It is like 32 times better than another resolution we also refuse to disclose, regarding the absolute number of points of control, on the frequency and level axises" Not cool.mad.gif

Chris has mentioned before in the Audyssey thread that whereas MultEQ uses "dozens" of control points, and XT uses "hundreds" of control points, XT32 uses over 10, 000 control points. eek.gif

jdsmoothie, I am wondering if the Audyssey thread you are referring to is the same that is the link in your signature. If not: please provide a link for me; sounds like some potentially interesting reading in that thread. Thanks in advance!
post #2017 of 2387
Yes, indeed. The Official Audyssey thread is the largest thread on AVSForum. One of the more regular posters (kbarnes701) wrote the Audyssey 101/FAQ linked in my sig (a post within that thread) which is composed of answers to the 50 most asked Audyssey related questions in that thread. For several years the Audyssey Co-Founder Chris K. posted regularly in that thread but stopped a couple of years ago to focus on other commitments.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/0_100
post #2018 of 2387
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Yes, indeed. The Official Audyssey thread is the largest thread on AVSForum. One of the more regular posters (kbarnes701) wrote the Audyssey 101/FAQ linked in my sig (a post within that thread) which is composed of answers to the 50 most asked Audyssey related questions in that thread. For several years the Audyssey Co-Founder Chris K. posted regularly in that thread but stopped a couple of years ago to focus on other commitments.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/0_100

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I am sure I will enjoying the thread, jdsmoothie; thanks again for your assistance!
post #2019 of 2387
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^^
Check to make sure the saved file isn't all zeroes.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_E10

Thanks!

I checked the .dat that wouldn't load (in Notepad) and while I didn't see zeros, it was blank. Figured blank=zeros. Turned Network Standby to Off, left the AVR on, saved my freshly manually config'd settings w/ Firefox. That .dat wasn't blank. I did not try loading it, but I'm assuming it'll work. Unfortunately, if I leave Net. Standby Off and put the AVR in standby I can't get to it from Firefox. I just have to remember to turn it off (and check the .dat) next time I save a config.

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post #2020 of 2387
Anybody using a oppo 105 with their 7005. If so please share what is the optimal hook up. I'm trying to use the DAC in the Oppo for CD's,( 2 channel ,2.1) Squeezbox touch(hooked into the oppo also 2.0,2.1), Apple TV ( also hooked into the Oppo, 5.1). I'd like to use the 7005 for processing DVD/3D/Blu Ray for 5.1 audio can this be done? Would I have to input the oppo into the multi channel blue ray via RCA L/R/C, L/R surrounds and sub then using Pure direct for 2.0 audio? What about 2.1 audio? Thanks in advance.
post #2021 of 2387
Using any configuration other than HDMI is generally not recommended as going multi channel analog or Direct/Pure Direct will disable Audyssey.
post #2022 of 2387
Does the sr7005 show the volume level on the TV as you turn the volume or down?
post #2023 of 2387
Yes, with HDMI and component video output.

post #2024 of 2387
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Using any configuration other than HDMI is generally not recommended as going multi channel analog or Direct/Pure Direct will disable Audyssey.

So why is thiis not recommended ? I'd like to use the Oppo DAC for music and marantz Audyessey for multi channel viewing.
post #2025 of 2387
Feel free to use it as it's your setup. However, most find that using Audyssey is superior to using the Oppo DAC.
post #2026 of 2387
I have an Oppo 95 and use the dedicated stereo output to the SR7005 CD on pure direct - sounds great. Also using HDMI bitstream for MC and Audussey - sounds great but a bit bright. I will be in the near future adding Blue Jeans LC-1s to test out the Oppo 7.1 out and setting the speaker trims with an SPL meter. All speakers "small" with 80Hz crossover. The Oppo DACs are suppose to be top notch, so we'll see if losing Audussey is worth it.
post #2027 of 2387
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Yes, with HDMI and component video output.

But not at the same time, if that matters. If one has an active HDMI monitor turned on, the component out jacks will have no overlaid graphics [and as is typical, they never down convert from HDMI, they are sending through the component incoming signal only].

Also for the overlaid graphics to show volume changes, one must have these settings:

Master Volume: Top or Bottom
Video Convert: On
Pure Direct: Off
post #2028 of 2387
Thanks jdsmoothie for the response. I appreciate it.
post #2029 of 2387
Thanks m zillch as well for the info.
post #2030 of 2387
Does this receiver have a feature that allows you to play all the speakers with regular music in "party" mode? Any other dsp modes as well besides the basics?
post #2031 of 2387
If you mean music to all speakers of all zones, although there is no specific mode for this, it can be done. Also note you can download the Owner's manual from Marantz's website.

http://us.marantz.com/us/support/pages/manuals.aspx
post #2032 of 2387
Thanks JD, I just assumed fro all the critics that the DAC were significantly better in the Oppo 105 vs the Marantz. if not should i just go down to the 103 and simply hook it via HDMI? Again this is going to be my only source to play CD's and SACD'S I would also love to hear from current Oppo users with a SR7005.
post #2033 of 2387
^I bought the similar Oppo 93 a couple of years ago (instead of their slightly better spec'd, state-of-the-art 95), because the measured specs show its performance should already exceed what a human should need, even using a state-of-art listening system under laboratory conditions [a dead silent environment and with an optimal room and speaker placement, if not headphones]. Plus it has no cooling fan, and my experience is those often make an audible noise I CAN detect, at least in a quiet enough room sitting at a close distance. [The new 105 has no fan though, and the 95's fan was said to only run infrequently and quietly] Assuming the 103 to 105 difference is comparable, [admittedly I haven't read detailed third party measurements of the two like I have the 93 vs 95], I would suggest getting the 103 [and use HDMI with Audyssey].

Although I strongly suspect that within minutes I could easily find you numerous forum posts and "professional" magazine reviews which would claim the 95 [or 105] has , *ahem*, "audibly" superior sound over the lesser Oppos, what not a single forum thread reader here can find you is such a comparison where the reviewer took precautions to preclude any possible expectation bias ["placebo effect"], by for instance conducting a blind test of the two with a third party test conductor, say a roommate, plus the output voltage of the top Oppo is an unusually high 4.4 volts, so they don't play at the same analog output volume as other typical devices, and that difference in level alone can easily fool a human into thinking they are hearing "better" sound. Scientifically valid audio comparisons must be done at the same matching volume levels. No exceptions.

The people who claim they are "immune" to expectation bias and/or are immune to perceptually misinterpreting small level differences as instead quality differences, so they need not guard against them in their testing, are simply full of it. I recommend you ignore them and their "findings", as I do.
Edited by m. zillch - 4/2/13 at 9:04am
post #2034 of 2387
^
Thanks M. Zilch,
I would assume that if i were to go with the 103, there would be no reason to hook the SQB/apple tv to the Oppo? Just Hooke the Oppo into my 7005 via HDMI?
post #2035 of 2387
DACs that are very inexpensive often sound perfectly fine, and when there are differences they pale in comparison to the profound differences that room correction software can accomplish [not that I'm claiming they've perfected that in the 7005, I'm just saying the difference is many orders of magnitude larger than DAC differences]

I can't say I follow the media box market much since I'm not into that [I've never even activated any of the various Netflix-ish accounts built-in to the Oppo I have, for instance].

What is an SQB? Never heard of it.
post #2036 of 2387
sorry Squeezebox Touch.
post #2037 of 2387
My cursory examination of this review's measurements suggests there's nothing to worry about using its internal DAC, however sending info, as opposed to music, from one device to another is at least theoretically the better way to go to avoid extraneous noise from entering the signal and to minimize the number of conversions between the digital domain and the analog domain.

Generally it is best to keep the signal in the digital domain as much as possible, through a chain of devices, convert to and from digital as little as possible [unless it is necessary to apply some room correction technology, for example], and to convert to analog only as the very last step so that us humans can hear it!smile.gif
Edited by m. zillch - 4/2/13 at 11:00am
post #2038 of 2387
TJdsmoothie, from the pic you provided you seem to own the 700Correct? If so, what other receiver did you consider before choosing it? Also, when watching movies do you consider the dialogue to be really clear with it ? The "hifi " review said they thought dialogue could be "cleaner"?
post #2039 of 2387
Sorry, no I do not. I simply have downloaded all the Denon and Marantz Owner manuals for the past 4 years so I can reference them when assisting others with their respective units. smile.gif
post #2040 of 2387
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Sorry, no I do not. I simply have downloaded all the Denon and Marantz Owner manuals for the past 4 years so I can reference them when assisting others with their respective units. smile.gif

Your efforts and interest are very much appreciated, jdsmoothie! Thanks much!!!
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