New Sony NX710 and NX810 models - Page 12

Your response is a little excessive, Viper2847. Maybe you should get out of the house or go watch TV.

I'll just throw this out there, but I haven't seen any proof that the HX series is any better than the NX. Theoretical specifications aren't proof of anything. I haven't seen any actual numbers posted using calibration hardware / software yet (although someone may have this information). So if you want to beat the drum and claim that you're right, maybe you should bring some proof to the party.

Think about it.

If you think edge-lit with local dimming can match a full array local dimming set then you obviously are clueless. You dont need numbers in order to prove that its better as its always been that way and continues to remain that way.

The XBR8 was already giving a 7500:1 static contrast ratio and that was two years ago without using any opticontrast panel. Reviews have shown that the contrast on the HX909 is a significant improvement from the XBR8. If you want numbers on the HX909 to prove to you that "technically speaking" it is better than the NX810, "Widescreen Review" has all that information posted. Unfortunately its not available on the web but the reviewer is available on this forum by the name of "doug blackburn" so you can get them from him.

Right now i haven't found any reviews/measurements done on the NX810 but they should be out soon.

Your right about it being too "excessive". I took out the line about him not knowing what hes talking about, but now that should be directed to you instead.

Does anybody know if there are plans for a Bunchin stand sized for the 60NX810?

It will be nice to have some professional reviews of the Nx810.

Hx909 may be local dimming etc... with a great black level, however it is not without issues - blooming, colors changing with time - as noted by cnet. And from instore viewing the picture looked rather soft. Just didnt have the wow effect that the Samsung B8500 had.. And the $3.6k ish street price for a 52 incher is too high.

Viper, the NX810 was in the 2010 HDTV shootout.
Watch the video with the results. They were very impressed with the nx810 (including DNice).

Did d nice see next to hx 909?

No, Sony chose to pick the NX810 to go against the other manufacturer's offerings.

According to this website, who did a 12+ page review of each set using proper measuring instruments, the NX810 measured lower blacks compared to the HX909 (0.06 cd/m2 VS. 0.07 cd/m2)
http://www.televisioninfo.com/conten...mp;-Whites.htm
http://www.televisioninfo.com/conten...mp;-Whites.htm

The LX900 has a horrible but not surprising (based on my viewing) black level at 0.12 cd/m2

I am not saying its not a good set. I agree with you that its good. I saw one myself and found the picture to be very bright with decent blacks. Overall it was amazing. BUT the hx909 is in a league of its own and far supeeior to the nx810. You cannot compare those 2 for pq. They are targeted differently and made accordingly so just forget it. The supply on the hx909 is also very limited, people trying to buy them cant even find them anymore so the fact that it wasnt sent for the shootout doesnt prove anything. My guess is that it actually would of been unfair for sony to pit a full array local dimming set against a bunch of edge lit leds. It would simply be an unfair advantage and defeat the whole purpose of the shootout. Also, who is dnice?

I think the LG LX9500 was also in the shootout.....They were also comparing edge lit led sets against plasma sets , I think that is more "unfair" (if we are talking about the same shootout)

guys, what I heard is that the deciding factor on what displays were to be included were based on size- in this case 55" or above.

Sony doesn't have a 55" or larger HX909 so they would have to go with either the LX900 or NX810

The NX810 was what they went with to the shoot out

So your saying Sony sent a lesser TV to the shoot out because of supply?

Thats like saying Chevy would send a Cobalt to the Detroit Auto Show because there wouldnt be enough Corvettes for everyone to buy.

I'm not saying the NX810 is better than the hx 909 (even though the PQ looked just as good to me) but I'm guessing thats not the reason they used the NX810

Maybe for black levels its "unfair" to compare them to plasmas but in regards to other PQ aspects edge-lit LED still has its advantages. Its certainly unfair to compare a local dimming set like the LX9500 to edge-lit. Not sure why they would so that...

No, if you continue reading my post i said my guess was because it would be unfair due to the differences in the backlighting...

So then you think it was because Sony didn't want to be unfair to the competition? I think that is an even worse reason. Also it wasn't just edge lit TVs. It was LEDs and Plasmas.

Now if you wanted an excuse why they used it instead that makes sense you could claim it was factors it being
A. New
B. Better price range.
C. very stylist.

Those could be reasons that trump using their "better" TV

I dont know about this competition shootout very much. I thought the point was to give the best performing TV within the category they were testing such as the best edge-lits/plasmas against each other. Now your coming and saying that price plays a roll and even styling. If thats what it is rather than just bringing the best performing TV to the table then I guess you could be right.

Whatever the case was is irrelevant anyway as far as the HX909 being a far superior set than the NX810. The NX810 still looks great but its not their flagship for picture quality.

I didn't say I thought anything. You are lashing out because you assume that I don't agree with you. I like to see proof before I jump to conclusions, because theory and reality aren't always congruent. People with nothing to add to a conversation are the ones who have to resort to insults.

On AVS we also used to ban people for insulting others. If you decide to keep it up don't be suprised if people start reporting your posts.

http://www.youtube.com/user/HDTVShoo...12/He1YWbzinbk

Part10 of the shootout , at around 3:04 , you could hear the guy saying that they want to stick to the 55inch class....

I've made many posts on this forum and RARELY get into fights with people. Check my posts if you dont believe me.

Dont agree with me, i could careless. Like i said if you want your beloved numbers to prove what that set is capable of you know where to get it. Not gonna talk about this anymore with you so drop it.

I agree!

Listen to 3:06, he talks about the HX909 there and he himself says its the better TV...they didnt include it because it maxes out at only 52", thanks for finding that.

The HX909 is obviously better. What is the argument? The NX810 is the second best TV in Sony's lineup in terms of PQ.


Though I will say it's nice to have built in WIFI.

Thats also what i thought, but i wonder how it compares to the HX800 for PQ?

It seems they are both very similar with the only difference between them being the "opticontrast panel" vs the "deep black panel".

Maybe I missed the original tangent, but why are we even discussing the HX series in the NX thread?

DUDe.. Chill.. I need wireless!!. I wanted 60 inches and a great picture. I got it. . No one that's seen this set has said, hmm, crappy picture... The 909 @ 52"... didn't compare to the 60x810... Why is it that the 60" 'ers technology isn't as good as the 909's??, get it? it's because the 810 is 60 inches.. understand?

dude.. chill..does your 909 have wireless?, and is it 60 inches?. No. So, regardless of the "specs". What the eye can see dictates picture quality. You got a lot of people including this poster that didn't quite like the 909.. so why not let it go.. I mean by all means carry on if need be.. but is there a point? Is anyone going to win?

-- I'd like to see a speaker stand for the 60, but not for 300.00 bucks. Those stands should be free if ya asked me. The speakers really do suck.

that's the argument. and it's not obviousely. and the 909 has no wifi. and it's 52 inches. and lots of people don't like it.

Since your needed size, the NX810 is the best 60" Sony offers.
If we were comparing 46" models, the HX909 would win.

Some would sacrifice 3" and go down to 52" in favor of PQ.

I chose to get the 55". Larger, cheaper, and relatively close to hx909 PQ. I do believe the nx810 has less crosstalk though...

And its also got a thinner frame which IMHO gives it a nicer design than the HX909. These are all valid points, im not saying the NX810 is bad. But for PQ regardless of its size it will still not match a full-array LED set, its just simple math.

Also, was wondering do you leave the light sensor in the "eco" menu turned on or off? I find that usually light sensors in most TV's affect the calibration and makes the picture more inaccurate so i usually turn them off. Did you play with this yet?

Viper, my TV is scheduled to arrive Tuesday. I'm pretty excited. I bought a blu-ray burner that is coming tomorrow so I can burn my "backups" I found online of the Panasonic Vol 2 3d demo with 6 minutes of Avatar, and HTTYD 3D. Don't want to scratch my originals