Official LG xxLD550 xxLD520 xxLD650 Owners Thread - Page 130

How come this model didn't include the XD engine like the other LG's have? Was it to reduce the cost or something? Same with the Mark Levinson speakers. Those were taken out too.


Why did they cheapen the model?

Me thinks there is confusion amongst the masses. Nice to see you here on a Sunday afternoon. Starting the AVSHD cals now

Where I could download firmware? I went to LG site, there's not updates for my TV.

If your tv can connect to the inet (I forget what you have) there should be a setting for checking for updates. From what I understand, most updates are for the netapps anyway and not tv functionality. Updates are not available for tv's (like my 47LD520)) that cannot connect. I've even contacted support and was told no updates are available or necessary for my set. There seems to be a warm up period (about 10 minutes) for the LGs. Make sure it's adequately warmed up before making any setting changes or calibrations.

So how did it go?

flashing color bars made me crazy I tried it this afternoon with the curtains closed but that didn't work too well. I'll have to give it a go this week in the evening when my wife is at class and my son is studying. What I've seen so far is that the basic brightness, contrast, etc is almost identical to what I've been using modified a bit from Phase's postings. From what I understand you're supposed to see, it looks fairly close already with nothing set, which doesn't really make sense to me. In fact, I went back and checked to make sure I was using my reset Expert 2 settings and I was. My ability to distinguish colors clearly is not what it used to be (cyan? what the hell is cyan?) so the best I may be able to do is basics without any CM Don't want to let the group down so I'll keep plugging away.

Check dynamic contrast, perhaps?

Otto, the fact that it looks fairly close at default Expert doesn't surprise me since you have the IPS panel. I remember how little bstarfish and djams had to adjust to get the colors to match. The non-IPS panels, like my 60", are a whole different story. I simply cannot get red and green to match gray, but that's ok. I found that the best calibration I can do on this set is also the easiest and fastest:

1. Reset ISF Expert 1 or 2 to default
2. Increase Backlight to 65 (to be used with the Energy Saving feature)
3. Set Contrast to 93
4. Set Color to 52
5. Set Tint to G2
6. Go to Expert Settings and turn off Edge Enhancement

That's it . Brightest possible picture with tint-free grayscale, no color clipping, no black/white crush, and best possible black level.

After trying djams suggestion to change gray luminance via 2-point RGB adjustments, I can now say that without meters there is nothing more that can be done.

On the remote, hit MENU, then press the red button. You will see SOFTWARE UPDATE as one of the options.

Hmmm, that's sort of where I started only backlight was set to 30 (default I think). Edge Enhancement is off. What would you suggest for Luminance? I've been using either 100 or 110. I'm a tad bit surprised that there's that much difference between an S-IPS panel and the other IPS panels. Sure glad I did my homework before driving down to my local BB and purchasing it

Leave all the IRE settings at default. Without meters you simply cannot make any adjustments there. The only place you want to look at is the CMS. You could also try my simple approach and see what that gets you. Make sure you re-adjust Contrast after you set Color and Tint. The pattern to check when doing your final contrast adjustment is called "A4 - Color Clipping". Set your contrast so that none of the colors clip before 235. That gives you the maximum brightness for your set. Any subsequent "brightness" adjustments should be made through Backlight only.

It's the simple approach that you posted the other day (I think I saw it) that I was having trouble with (flashing light bars, accurately seeing the colors, etc)

Well, for the simple approach you really only match blue with gray and cyan with magenta. You don't even have to use the B1 pattern. The "Flashing Color Bars" pattern under Basic Settings will do just fine.

I have a feeling you're not using the blue-only mode in your TV. Is that the case?

Oh, I know. These are the numbers for my exact set. I just posted them to show how easy it can be. Did you mean Backlight or Brightness? My brightness is perfect at the default 50. That's why I didn't list it. Backlight of 65 works best for me, and again this might be due to the bigger screen size. I only leave ES off during the day, then switch to Minimum when it's getting dark and later to Medium. Medium in my case is the equivalent of a backlight set manually to around 25-30.

I'm really just trying to get people to use the AVS HD disc and do a simple calibration themselves. I'm pretty much done myself now, and I'm extremely pleased with the result

When I set the IRE to 2 point (I think that was it) and went back to the CMS the primaries were there and I clicked on Blue Color. The screen was entirely blue with the defaults and as I understand it, aren't the "gray" squares on the right side supposed to blend in and disappear. If that's the case then blue is already set. As soon as it gets dark outside, I'm going to do this properly and take notes (as I always do)

Ah ha! My plan has worked I knew if I acted like I "screwed up" calibrating and started asking newbie-style questions that I'd bring the Phase back. Just can't keep away eh old friend?

Damn! Now I can't find it. I can set the Color Filter to Blue and the Pattern to Inner and get an all blue screen but I don't see what I found before (the disappearing squares on the right side). Of course I don't have the AVSHD disc in I was just checking my test settings before I start later on this evening. Been a very long day at work so I think my synapses are gummed up

Pylot has lost control and is crashing and burning I can't get to Expert Patterns, it's all grayed out. Doesn't make a difference what I use for Pattern, Outer or Inner, the Expert Pattern is still grayed out and that's where my color bars are (right?). I know I found them before I got the AVSHD disc so it's not a disc-related thing . Step away and put the remote down slowly.......

Control tower here, try to keep a level head Pylot, I've got Robert Stack here and he's going to talk you through landing this calibration bird

The internal patterns are only available using OTA input. But, the avs disc patterns are more useful. Toss that disc in your new panny and look at pattern B1 using the blue, green and red filters...

LOL Let me wipe the tears out of eyes Had some dinner (homemade chicken chili!), felt better, and then talked to Robert Stack. Don't get much better than that. I remembered that I had printed out the entire LG manual (at work, shhh) so I looked it up over a bowl of chili. Yeah, DTV only. Doh! Should be dark enough in about another hour or so

I'll be here for quite awhile yet. My probation officer says I'm not allowed to stray too far

Otto's Great Calibration Adventure

After a fitful start, I got my mojo on and did it. Reset Expert 2 and turned all processing off. Luminance was set at 100 and Color Gamut BT709. Color Temp Warm and Gamma 2.2. The LG has been on for a couple of hours, night time outside and only ambient light on inside. Total tv time has been 751 hours.

The Panasonic BDT-210P was set to factory defaults as best as I could determine.

Aspect Ratio: Just Scan
Backlight: 55
Contrast: 85
Brightness: 53
H&V Sharpness: 50
Color: 52 (but set it back to 50 for OTA)
Tint: 0

I played around with backlight from 30 - 55 but didn't really see any change in contrast or brightness so I set it at 55 to give me some ES playroom.

I used Black Clipping (A1) for brightness, White Clipping (A3) for contrast, and APL Clipping (A2) to verify and tweak (if necessary) both. Contrast was good all the way to 252.

For color I used Miscellaneous Pattern A4. It looked pretty good just where it was at (at least for these old eyes). It appeared that Blue clipped out at 251, Green at 251, and Red at 245.

Looks really good! I'll leave it alone and let my eyes get used to it and view it under different conditions for the next week or so. And yes, I checked it all out with DWTS, so there!

Awesome! And if it looks good for DWTS, nothing else really matters anyways

I would recommend looking at Basic Pattern 4 using "blue mode" to verify that the color setting of 53 is correct for your set. The blue filter makes it very easy to nail color and tint.

I'm curious - did you download the pattern instruction manual that is linked from the AVS HD709 thread?

I will check Pattern 4 tonight when I get home. No, I did not dl the manual because I didn't really notice it. I was just intent on getting the correct AHSHD.

Too many models grouped together... 130 pages becomes a monster. Please OP don't group three lines together again. not but

Well it's amazing you've gotten as far as you have, considering you're flying blind.

It's a great manual (as VBB said previously). Link: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8968806/Patterns-Manual.pdf