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post #4291 of 5047
5/18/11 at 7:36am
Hi ya'll!

Djams, I just plugged in your daytime settings. I haven't read all of the posts I've missed yet so forgive me if the following question has been asked and answered already. Is the Lumenance setting suppose to be 223 at 100 IRE? That is what I did.

I love these settings! They most closely resemble the depth of what I see on my G25 plasma. I did tweak the back lighting, sharpness and color by only a few clicks up but then I do have a 550 and different eyeballs than you so I guess that's acceptable. I haven't run it through the calibration program but I don't see any artifacts or crushing as a result of the settings. Also, I did turn the dynamic contrast on to medium which resulted in a tad bit more pop but I could live with it off too.

I did find that the image is a bit dimmer than I would have expected for a daytime setting and as a result I think the calibration settings I did, for Expert 1, now look more appropriate for day and your's for better for night. Dang, I think it just might be a good setting for all conditions but can't say for sure since its now a bit cloudy. The real test will be when I move furniture, the tv is going to end up directly in front of the bank of three windows.

I did increase luminance on Expert 1 (my calibration attempt), and it noticeably improved that image as well. Although it's not as high as your's, 150 seems good but that may change.

So... when are you coming to Virginia?
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post #4292 of 5047
5/18/11 at 8:18am
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Send him a note of thanks and scour the local tracks for a new jockey!

His brother was a jockey as well but not as successful. Both of them have other businesses now so haven't a clue as to what they are doing. They are the "Southern California" branch of my wife's family so we don't see them.

It's nice to see your posts again
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post #4293 of 5047
5/18/11 at 8:27am
@sheshechic

Hey, welcome back! I was afraid that you had gone permanently to the "other" side (plasma) never to be heard from again

I found djams settings work very well on my 47LD520. I did a few minor tweaks with the basics but the adjustments verify well with the AVS HD709. For us, the daytime settings work day or night because of the diffuse light we get. There's an 8x10 sliding glass door to the left of the LG but it's an East facing window so after about 11am, the sun is over the house and the light is not bright and becomes more diffuse as the day wears on. The only adjustments I make are with the Eco control. Maybe a tad bit dark in the early afternoon but no eye strain and the pq still looks sharp. Evening time is perfect because we use the ambient light so the picture is not too bright at all. In fact, the same settings seem to work for OTA as well as the ATV2. And, as a bonus, they passed the horsey test!

This is great. You are back as well as CrossFit1 so the gang all seems to be here, at least for now
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post #4294 of 5047
5/18/11 at 8:55am
Hi there.

I was just catching up on the posts and I want to say thank you for the many smiles.

So, who was mean to you, point the way. I've been tussling with plasma folks here and on hdj. I don't like bullies and if you go to plasma threads you'll find a slew of em.

My explorations into plasma and beyond on forums lead me to believe that this year is not a good year for tvs. I was really sad to hear that LG has pulled the LW9500 but it's not sooo bad considering they will be releasing a model that is suppose to be exactly the same but with passive 3D. That won't be until later this year and I'll believe it when I see it (nano, nano, nano).

I think next year it will be very difficult to find a good blu ray player with apps that isn't 3D. The best (and yet not very expensive) are this year.

I mention this because I do agree that if you own or expect to own an LG hdtv then the blu ray you choose to hook up to it can be more important than one might think, especially if you want all the streaming services and those yet to come. If one is dead set on LG then IMO the top of the line 690 may be the only option for staying up to date with online offerings and to receive Amazon VOD & Pandora, in addition to Netflix. Where I don't trust them relates to future offerings and stability. I'm so glad the TVs are at least stable.

So I am loving my 550 with the 210 attached. I plan to replace it with a 310 very soon (just released) and bringing the 210 up here to keep me company while I work. One day the 550 will joing me too.

I'm glad to hear your garden is doing well, I'd love it if you'd pm me some pictures or I could send you my gmail addy for that.

I hope you are having a good day, don't work too hard.
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post #4295 of 5047
5/18/11 at 9:00am
Crossfit1, welcome home. Ohhh, those long grewing work days, I remember them well. I hope you're satisfied with the mission accomplishments.

Hey, before you buy that blu ray check out what was discussed on this thread as well as the threads in the blu-ray section of the forum. I wouldn't want you to suffer the frustration I did with the LG I had.
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post #4296 of 5047
5/18/11 at 9:52am
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You are most welcome! I appreciate you and your family letting me intrude on a beautiful Sunday afternoon. And thanks for the cold beer

BTW - Ed has a killer surround sound system that he demonstrated for me watching the opening chase scene in Casino Royale. All I can say is INCREDIBLE! So, I think I know what my next purchase is going to be

@ Djams

So, I've been patiently wondering how bstarfish's TV settngs compared to yours as this is what you wanted to verify. I'm interested in how different the settings came out. I was hoping you could post the "B" settings you obtained when doing his TV?
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post #4297 of 5047
5/18/11 at 10:12am
Nick, have you been tanning? You're kind of dark.
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post #4298 of 5047
5/18/11 at 10:24am
@sheshechic

Funny comment about Nick He does like to stand out.

I too am loving the 210 with my 520. Don't have a lot of Blu-rays but the upconverting is really nice. I did receive the Avatar Special Edition 2D-3D Blu-ray disk. As far as color, detail, etc the movie was great! Nice little test in addition to Seabiscuit to check Blu-ray and calibrations. However, as a movie, it was just ok. Like I said in a previous post, the movie was like Dancing with Wolves meets Star Wars at Jurassic Park

Yeah, if you pm me with the best addy to send pics to I'll shoot you some of the garden (which is really coming in nice now) and possibly the pond. However, it has been raining, cold, and windy here. Snow down to 4000' in the Sierras. Climate change due to global warming? A subject for another forum fer sure.
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post #4299 of 5047
5/18/11 at 10:33am
I just listed my Avatar (unopended) for $125 with free shipping and international shipping. I researched and some have sold for more but we'll see. I might mark it down in about a week ( I have a store). I think I saw a "like new" sell for $85.

Look for a pm shortly.
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post #4300 of 5047
5/18/11 at 10:44am
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@ Djams

So, I've been patiently wondering how bstarfish's TV settngs compared to yours as this is what you wanted to verify. I'm interested in how different the settings came out. I was hoping you could post the "B" settings you obtained when doing his TV?

Well, I was hoping that Ed would post the settings so that I wouldn't have to admit to this, but in my haste to get home and light the grill, I failed to record the settings!

@bstarfish - can you bail me out here?

His set exhibits the same very slow picture mode change as mine. I do have data on this for both sets and plan to summarize it when I get a chance.
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post #4301 of 5047
5/18/11 at 10:49am
@sheshe - its great to see you back. Pressed for time right now, will respond later.
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post #4302 of 5047
5/18/11 at 10:57am
I'll check back once hubby chills after dinner. I've got to go buy some tortillas for dinner tonight.
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post #4303 of 5047
5/18/11 at 11:43am
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I just listed my Avatar (unopended) for $125 with free shipping and international shipping. I researched and some have sold for more but we'll see. I might mark it down in about a week ( I have a store). I think I saw a "like new" sell for $85.

Look for a pm shortly.

Got the pm and responded. I've only played my Avatar once and it's not a keeper DVD so I'd have no problem selling it. You have a store? Hmmmm.....
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post #4304 of 5047
5/18/11 at 11:45am
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I'll check back once hubby chills after dinner. I've got to go buy some tortillas for dinner tonight.

What time's dinner? I've got a great recipe for chili rellenos (sp?) and some cold beer in the refrig.
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post #4305 of 5047
5/18/11 at 12:23pm
Please send the recipe too? I'm making tacos -carnita and chicken w/corn tortillas, refried beans and rice. I adore corn tortillas.
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post #4306 of 5047
5/18/11 at 2:09pm
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Please send the recipe too? I'm making tacos -carnita and chicken w/corn tortillas, refried beans and rice. I adore corn tortillas.

I'll pm it to you tonight but I'm a West Coast so you won't get it till after dinner. Another dinner per chance.
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post #4307 of 5047
5/18/11 at 3:10pm
Hello everyone! Been away for a bit, mainly because our second daughter was just born

Now I'm off for the next two weeks and have a lot of time to read and post.

Otto, regarding the receiver, I just bought a brand new Onkyo (released in April) and a pair of JBL tower speakers together for less than 600 bucks. Yup, you guessed right: Fry's is having an anniversary sale

Receiver:

http://www.frys.com/product/6598513?...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG

Speakers:

http://www.frys.com/product/6181379?...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG

Fantastic deal, if you ask me. Still ongoing, btw...

Good to see everyone!
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post #4308 of 5047
5/18/11 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by VBB View Post
Hello everyone! Been away for a bit, mainly because our second daughter was just born

Now I'm off for the next two weeks and have a lot of time to read and post.

Otto, regarding the receiver, I just bought a brand new Onkyo (released in April) and a pair of JBL tower speakers together for less than 600 bucks. Yup, you guessed right: Fry's is having an anniversary sale

Receiver:

http://www.frys.com/product/6598513?...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG

Speakers:

http://www.frys.com/product/6181379?...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG

Fantastic deal, if you ask me. Still ongoing, btw...

Good to see everyone!
Congratulations on the new daughter! I have two myself and they are a blessing (well, most of the time).

I've pretty much settled on the Yamaha YHT-395BL because I have no speakers other than the tv and everything has to have a small footprint to even be considered for the WAF However, we haven't even discussed this (I do have a birthday on Monday) so it may still be quite a ways in the future
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post #4309 of 5047
5/18/11 at 4:15pm
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@ Henry WOW! Congratulations. Have two married daughters now! They were and are charming to have around. . .

@ djams

I would probably have forgotten too. Anyway you can jingle bstarfish to post his settings in Word, Wordpad, or Notepad format?

@ Sheshechic. . .Doh, How could I be mad a t corn tortilla's. Sometimes I just break them in half, pop them in the toaster for a bit, and munch on them with home made salsa.

@ Otto. . . We love chilli rellenos! Now that it's warmer, instead of frying I roast them on the grill, peel the skin off (easy), make up some carnitas filling, and stuff them with cheese and the carnitas. Then, briefly pop them into the micro wave to get 'em hot and melty with the cheese! Dang. . . now I'm starving for some!

@ Everyone. . . sorry for going off topic. . . not that it hasn't happened before. We just seem to be a bit more gregarious then a lot of threads. Maybe we should have a cook out road trip somewhere central . . . Colorado?
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post #4310 of 5047
5/18/11 at 5:41pm
Hey all!

Sorry for the delay in getting the new settings posted. Work has been hectic this week. Here they are:

Expert 1

Backlight: 30
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 53
H Sharpness: 36 (this was just an experiment to see how a lower setting would work)
V Sharpness: 50
Color: 50
Tint: 0

Dyn Contrast: Off
NR: Off
DNR: Off
Black Level: Low
Color Gamut: BT709
Edge Enhancer: Off
Color Temp: Warm
Gamma: 2.2

Luminance: 125

IRE Values:
100 - R:8, G:-21, B:2
90 - R:0, G:-7, B:4
80 - R:1, G:-8, B:2
70 - R:-1, G:-10, B:-1
60 - R:-4, G:-10, B:-1
50 - R:-5, G:-8, B:2
40 - R:-3, G:-5, B:3
30 - R:-2, G:-3, B:3
20 - R:0, G:-2, B:1
10 - R:-4, G:-7, B:-14
0 - R:0, G:0, B:0

CMS
Red Color: 5
Red Tint: 0
Green Color: 0
Green Tint: 0
Blue Color: 1
Blue Tint: -3
Yellow Color: 0
Yellow Tint: 0
Cyan Color: 0
Cyan Tint: 0
Magenta Color: -1
Magenta Tint: -1


Thanks again to djams! Can you post the chart that your software created? It would be interesting to see again.

Let me know what you guys think if you give them a shot.

Ed

Edit: Attached a Word document per Phase's request.

 

bstarfish 47LD520 settings.doc 51.5k . file
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post #4311 of 5047
5/18/11 at 11:09pm
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Hi ya'll!

Djams, I just plugged in your daytime settings. I haven't read all of the posts I've missed yet so forgive me if the following question has been asked and answered already. Is the Lumenance setting suppose to be 223 at 100 IRE? That is what I did.

I love these settings! They most closely resemble the depth of what I see on my G25 plasma. I did tweak the back lighting, sharpness and color by only a few clicks up but then I do have a 550 and different eyeballs than you so I guess that's acceptable. I haven't run it through the calibration program but I don't see any artifacts or crushing as a result of the settings. Also, I did turn the dynamic contrast on to medium which resulted in a tad bit more pop but I could live with it off too.

I did find that the image is a bit dimmer than I would have expected for a daytime setting and as a result I think the calibration settings I did, for Expert 1, now look more appropriate for day and your's for better for night. Dang, I think it just might be a good setting for all conditions but can't say for sure since its now a bit cloudy. The real test will be when I move furniture, the tv is going to end up directly in front of the bank of three windows.

I did increase luminance on Expert 1 (my calibration attempt), and it noticeably improved that image as well. Although it's not as high as your's, 150 seems good but that may change.

So... when are you coming to Virginia?

I'm glad to hear the settings work for you - a bit surprised since you have non-IPS panel.

The 223 luminance is correct. This equates to around 70ftL, which is a "bright room" peak light output value I got from the FAQ's on ChadB's website (I think he actually said 65ftL).

On the luminance value - it's odd that you're seeing a change in the picture based on the value you enter here. On my LD520, it doesn't change the picture at all. The value entered is the measured luminance at 100IRE, and the TV uses this value (along with gamma setting) to calculate the luminance target at each IRE step (displayed as nits when adjusting RGB values).

I wouldn't worry about the TV in front of the windows - that's like having a natural 6500k bias light

Oh, BTW - I told you previously that I would look at 2.4 gamma vs 2.22. What I found is that if I change the gamma setting on my TV to 2.4, everything still measures very good with the meter (using settings created at 2.22 gamma). The white balance could have used a very slight touch-up, but the colors stayed right on the money. So if you want to get a pretty accurate idea of what 2.4 gamma would look like, just change the setting and watch for awhile. Personally, I didn't care for it because there was a loss of detail in darker areas. The picture seemed 'richer' overall, though.

Like I said before, good to have you back - don't be such a stranger
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post #4312 of 5047
5/18/11 at 11:16pm
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Hello everyone! Been away for a bit, mainly because our second daughter was just born

Hey Henry! Been wondering what happened to you. I guess we'll give you a pass on the absence since you've had a "major life event"

Congratulations to you and your wife! I also have two daughters, in their mid-twenties (seems to be a common thread developing here)
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post #4313 of 5047
5/18/11 at 11:30pm
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Can you post the chart that your software created? It would be interesting to see again.
Thanks for coming to my rescue, Ed!

Sure, I can post the charts (not tonight, I'm having a crazy week also and it's getting late). Additionally, since your interested in reviewing the data I've attached the .chc file from your calibration. The ColorHCFR software is free, so you can install it, open the file and review everything that way

Edit: Link to download http://www.homecinema-fr.com/colorimetre/index_en.php

 

bstarfish Expert1 after cal.zip 4.8369140625k . file
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post #4314 of 5047
5/19/11 at 12:13am
@ Henry, Congratulations on the newest member of the family!
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post #4315 of 5047
5/19/11 at 1:03am
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Crossfit1, welcome home. Ohhh, those long grewing work days, I remember them well. I hope you're satisfied with the mission accomplishments.

Hey, before you buy that blu ray check out what was discussed on this thread as well as the threads in the blu-ray section of the forum. I wouldn't want you to suffer the frustration I did with the LG I had.

Very satisfied with mission accomplishments, thank you. New team came together nicely with very few bugs. Biggest issues came early on when a leader demonstrated unsound judgement in non-critical situations. At one point I counseled a teammate; "Poor judgement is found at all ranks. Beware of following blindly or you run the risk of having your own judgement become suspect to those who follow you."

Thanks for the head's up on the problems with the LG BD Players. I'll have a look at the Panny's and maybe have to consider getting a universal remote a little earlier than I planned. No real urgency, for now I have an HDMI direct from desktop video card to the TV and can stream high-def content via the ether.
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post #4316 of 5047
5/19/11 at 6:44am
Hi all,

I'm currently a Panny Plasma owner, but due to a laundry list of problems I care not to get into, I'm considering a return for an LCD, namely the LG 55LK520.

Can anyone (preferably an owner) offer their opinion on this set?
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post #4317 of 5047
5/19/11 at 6:52am
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Originally Posted by djams View Post
Previously submitted. . .So last night (AFTER dwts, of course ), I plugged in Phase's HDMI ISFExpert Warm settings so that I could measure how those settings performed on my 47LD520.

The result is more evidence that there can be drastic differences between these TV's, and that sharing calibration settings is a very hit or miss proposition.

So Dave, have you tried bstarfish's settings in your TV yet and run some charts to see how they compare? Can you post them too? I remember that was one reason you wanted to do the cal on another 520. I see the results are quite a bit different on your TV versus bstarfish. Was wondering what the charts look like if you plug his settings into yours? I've plugged in the bstarfish numbers into my HDMI 1 Expert 2 last night and checked them again this morning. You probably have guessed what I see. Like csamos settings, grayscale is way off to the red side. I get very pink hues in the upper IREs especially. From this, I conclude that 520's have a green push to them based on the values I see in the 3 520's (csamos, djam, bstarfish) and my 550 seems to be more neutral. Or there also may be differences with the main board electronics. Recall, I have a Global-Plat2 designation.

One thing I wanted to mention and I forgot, until the other day, is that I had done a previous cal using the 75% method months ago and tried my BD550 on it with AVS HD709 on HDMI 3. I have my BD550 WARM (100% cal) setting in Expert 1 and the 75% on Expert 2. Backlight for expert 1 is at 41 and 43 for Expert 2. Contrast/Brightness is 89/53 for Expert 1 and Expert 2 is 89/56. When I check gray scale using AVS HD709 both track well (visually) with the Warm being a bit more yellow as I intended. CMS settings are very close on both within a point or two. What is interesting is that color balance, depth, and detail are pretty much indistinguishable between the two, with the main difference is flesh tones and some subtle colors seem better on my TV with the 100% Warm setting of my Expert1. It's not a HUGE difference, but still evident. My wife looks at it and says it doesn't look that much different to her. She asks, "Why do you fiddle so much with these "cals" when the difference is so little?"

Well, I can't run the charts now since I still don't have my lap top working with the i1, but. . . I can see the difference (yes slight), the IRE's are vastly different between the Expert 1 100% and Expert 2 75% cals, and here I have an observer who is picky about clothes and jewelry colors say. . "It isn't that much different. . . why do you bother?"

I can see her point and I think this may be what we also are seeing/hearing from other owners. So I have a couple of conclusions. The differences we see on our gamma charts, for example, using several settings are actually very small compared to what TVs used to look like even 5 or 10 years ago. I have a stack of older Sound & Vision magazines with test reports that bear this out. TV's have gotten waaay better than they were 10 years ago. The differences we see in gamma today would be nothing compared to 10 years ago. On the other hand, yes, differences between TV's may be significant enough to those who like to tinker with calibrations. . . I don't know who THEY could be?
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post #4318 of 5047
5/19/11 at 7:04am
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Hi all,

I'm currently a Panny Plasma owner, but due to a laundry list of problems I care not to get into, I'm considering a return for an LCD, namely the LG 55LK520.

Can anyone (preferably an owner) offer their opinion on this set?
The LK series are really new and not many sold especially in the larger sizes. I've included a few reviews from the BB website. The model should be similar to the 55LD550, but may have an IPS LCD panel as well. Have you looked at any n stores?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/LG+-+55%...ustomerreviews
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post #4319 of 5047
5/19/11 at 7:11am
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The LK series are really new and not many sold especially in the larger sizes. I've included a few reviews from the BB website. The model should be similar to the 55LD550, but may have an IPS LCD panel as well. Have you looked at any n stores?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/LG+-+55%...ustomerreviews
No, i have not looked at any in store yet. i'm still holding onto hope that i can mitigate the fluctuating brightness issue I'm having on my Panny ST30. But i wanted some opinions on the LK520 to see if I'm barking up the right tree. I'm not very knowledgable when it comes to LCDs, as I've been a plasma guy for years. But the tide is quickly shifting.

Any idea why the LD model would be more expensive than the LK model if the LK model is newer?
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post #4320 of 5047
5/19/11 at 7:26am
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No, i have not looked at any in store yet. i'm still holding onto hope that i can mitigate the fluctuating brightness issue I'm having on my Panny ST30. But i wanted some opinions on the LK520 to see if I'm barking up the right tree. I'm not very knowledgable when it comes to LCDs, as I've been a plasma guy for years. But the tide is quickly shifting.

Any idea why the LD model would be more expensive than the LK model if the LK model is newer?
My last HDTV was Panasonic GT25. I got LK520 just last week and I must say I'm very much pleased with it. Clean picture (NO PWM noise - only noticed by people who sit close to the tv like I do), vivid colors, etc... The only obvious cons I can list are the viewing angle and black level.

If you're using it mainly for MOVIES, then I suggest S-PVA (Samsung, Sony, etc...) for it has lower black level and higher contrast ratio BUT slower response time compare to LG's S-IPS.

I use it mainly for Computing and Gaming, so its fast response time fits my bill.

Hope this helps!
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